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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2261 » by Kstegall21 » Fri May 30, 2014 5:59 am

GBanga3 wrote:You are aware that trading for Sullinger and Wallace makes us worse and does not help this organisation in no way, shape or form.
Hence the reason for that sucky, sucky i requested from Boston.


Then we will just have to agree to disagree. I just think what this team is truly missing is a true PF to go along with Drummond that is not named Josh Smith. Monroe will never be a PF and I think we will be wasting our time trying to turn him into something he isn't. Jared Sullinger is a young PF who only averaged 2 pts and 1 reb less than Monroe and he was coming off the bench at the beginning of the year.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2262 » by GBanga3 » Fri May 30, 2014 6:31 am

I've got no problems with Sullinger, I think he's a good player, I just do not want to give up Monroe for him and Wallace.
Surely we could get a better return for Monroe from someone else.

I'd probably swap Josh Smith & fillers?? for Sullinger & fillers?? What you reckon?
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2263 » by Kstegall21 » Fri May 30, 2014 7:28 am

Trust me if I knew BOS would consider Josh Smith for Sullinger then he definitely would've been the one in my trade idea.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2264 » by Clarity » Fri May 30, 2014 4:14 pm

Kstegall21 wrote:
He also can stretch the floor a lot better than Monroe.


Monroe stretches the floor fine via the high post & that was with a non shooter at the 1 & 3, not to mention offense can be constantly created via that as well.

Too many guys get caught up in the notion that you have to be a 3pt shooter to stretch the floor for a big.

Sullinger is a nice player but on no planet would anyone trade Monroe for him & view it as a lateral move.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2265 » by Neptune » Fri May 30, 2014 4:24 pm

GBanga3 wrote:I'd probably swap Josh Smith & fillers?? for Sullinger & fillers?? What you reckon?

Smith for Sullinger sounds decent( :-? ). He isn't that defensive and he'll be a terrible fit when Monroe shifts to the 5. That's the main reason I want to keep Smith, he's a perfect fit next to Monroe or Drummond.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2266 » by Q00 » Fri May 30, 2014 8:55 pm

I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.

Another trade I'd love is if we can get Thompson from CLE for Monroe. He would fit great next to Drummond. We could maybe even get them to include Waiters in the deal.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2267 » by kurtis48239 » Sat May 31, 2014 2:40 am

How about s&t monroe+2015 1st+mitchell or whoever for rondo&sully or green (I would prefer sully).Basicly all that for rondo with sully as a throw in.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2268 » by Kstegall21 » Sat May 31, 2014 3:35 am

Q00 wrote:I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.

Another trade I'd love is if we can get Thompson from CLE for Monroe. He would fit great next to Drummond. We could maybe even get them to include Waiters in the deal.


Wow someone finally agrees with me. lol another thing Sullinger has over Monroe is that he consistently gives 100% effort on the court. Ive seen it, and most people on here have mentioned, that Greg Monroe doesn't always give his all every game. Ive watched a lot of Sullinger's videos on youtube and most of his highlights consisted of him out-working someone. He has a warriors mentality and that is a great quality to have in a post player.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2269 » by sfballa13 » Sat May 31, 2014 5:07 am

GBanga3 wrote:You are aware that trading for Sullinger and Wallace makes us worse and does not help this organisation in no way, shape or form.
Hence the reason for that sucky, sucky i requested from Boston.


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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2270 » by Q00 » Sat May 31, 2014 12:59 pm

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Q00 wrote:I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.

Another trade I'd love is if we can get Thompson from CLE for Monroe. He would fit great next to Drummond. We could maybe even get them to include Waiters in the deal.


Wow someone finally agrees with me. lol another thing Sullinger has over Monroe is that he consistently gives 100% effort on the court. Ive seen it, and most people on here have mentioned, that Greg Monroe doesn't always give his all every game. Ive watched a lot of Sullinger's videos on youtube and most of his highlights consisted of him out-working someone. He has a warriors mentality and that is a great quality to have in a post player.


I agree. That said, I wonder what motivation Boston would have to make that trade, as they must also realize that they already have the same player at a fraction of the cost. I guess if we agreed to take Wallace's contract in the deal, but then might as well just keep Monroe, if we'll be paying that money anyways to Wallace over the next 3 years.

I'd take Sullinger on his contract over Monroe at 14 mil/yr, but Sullinger/Wallace at 14 mil/yr? I'd probably just keep Monroe at that point because it would be easier to move his contract later, than it would be to move Wallace's.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2271 » by HotelVitale » Sat May 31, 2014 9:10 pm

I like a lot of things about Sullinger and think he might be a good fit, but I think people are seeing him compared with Monroe through rose-colored lenses.

Q00 wrote:I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.


Their raw stats aren't that far off, but Monroe's advanced stats are on a different tier from Sullinger's. Sullinger's career PER is 15.5--just about league average--while Monroe's is 19.3. (Monroe's numbers have been going down the last few years, though). That would mean that Sullinger is roughly in the 60th percentile of NBA players while Monroe is in the 90th. Monroe's also averaged about twice the win shares, though those too have been going down.

Kstegall21 wrote: They had questions about his back when he was drafted but he hasn't had an injury to his back yet since he has been in the league.

The back concerns were long term--I remember the draft clearly and the worry wasn't that he'd never play again, just that the back was likely to cause big trouble down the line. Many people figured he'd come in and be a solid player and even a fringe ROY candidate but still expressed concerns about his back. I don't know enough about his medical condition to say whether there's any risk still, but the back was definitely a long term concern and not just a ACL injury or a broken ankle or something.

Kstegall21 wrote: Everybody has been doubting him since he has been in the league and all he does is continue to produce. Watch the game where he went for 31 points and 16 rebounds against Demarcus Cousins (one of the best young C's in the league).


No one thinks Sullinger's a scrub and no one ever thought that he couldn't play. There were always questions about whether he had enough size to be a starting caliber guy, and I think those questions are still legit. He's a great worker and put up solid rebounding numbers (though on a team with garbage rebounders), but he fouls a ton, his true shooting percentage is abysmal, and he's never going to be a good defender.

Also watch any of Monroe's games where he went for 27/13 or 35/10--he's got a ton of them. I believe that Sullinger is a nice player but trading Monroe for him is not going to make the team demonstrably better. He may be a slightly better fit, but best case scenario he gives us about what Monroe did while stretching the floor more--and worse case he remains a below average defender who shoots a low percentage and doesn't deserve 30 minutes per night.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2272 » by GBanga3 » Sun Jun 1, 2014 11:39 am

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GBanga3 wrote:You are aware that trading for Sullinger and Wallace makes us worse and does not help this organisation in no way, shape or form.
Hence the reason for that sucky, sucky i requested from Boston.


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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2273 » by Warspite » Tue Jun 3, 2014 12:36 am

Q00 wrote:I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.

Another trade I'd love is if we can get Thompson from CLE for Monroe. He would fit great next to Drummond. We could maybe even get them to include Waiters in the deal.


This doesnt make any sense. You still have to match salaries so your taking back 12 mil in crap and Sullinger.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2274 » by Q00 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:08 am

Warspite wrote:
Q00 wrote:I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.

Another trade I'd love is if we can get Thompson from CLE for Monroe. He would fit great next to Drummond. We could maybe even get them to include Waiters in the deal.


This doesnt make any sense. You still have to match salaries so your taking back 12 mil in crap and Sullinger.


You don't make any sense. The Celtics are 17 mil under the cap (18 mil when you subtract Sullinger). They don't have to match salaries. They can afford to take on Monroe's contract without having to send any salary back.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#2275 » by Q00 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:13 am

HotelVitale wrote:I like a lot of things about Sullinger and think he might be a good fit, but I think people are seeing him compared with Monroe through rose-colored lenses.

Q00 wrote:I'd trade Monroe for Sullinger. Why not? He's basically the same player and will be on a rookie contract for 2 more years. I'd rather have Sullinger at 1-2 mil/yr over Monroe at 13-14 mil/yr.


Their raw stats aren't that far off, but Monroe's advanced stats are on a different tier from Sullinger's. Sullinger's career PER is 15.5--just about league average--while Monroe's is 19.3. (Monroe's numbers have been going down the last few years, though). That would mean that Sullinger is roughly in the 60th percentile of NBA players while Monroe is in the 90th. Monroe's also averaged about twice the win shares, though those too have been going down.


I don't compare players based on advanced stats, as I told you in the other thread. To me they are very similar. Monroe is probably a little more talented, but not 14 mil/yr more talented to me.

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