Marcin Gortat Polish Hammer appreciation thread.

[HotrodBeaubois]

I don't see Ariza /. Gortat having a hard time fitting in Dallas ..


As for Wall and the corner three . Yes Wall is much better than Ellis but Dallas offense is also based off of Ellis driving and kicking to open three point shooters . The difference is Instead Dallas pasing to a league leading Ariza they are passing to a wide open Marion that is knocking them down at just .357% instead of Arizas .450%

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2014/5/19/ ... y#comments

Go check the link out talking about if Dallas should sign Ariza or Deng .


As for losing Marion / Carter . I actually think Carter stays . As for Marion I think Ariza can bring pretty much what Marion does and do it better .


As for all these West teams being younger and already better than Dallas . Well isn't this point that Dallas is trying to get younger with a 29 year old Ariza for a 36 year old Marion and a 30 year old Gortat for a 33 year old Dalembert ?


Dallas starting 5 with Gortat / Ariza

Calderon 33 years old
Ellis 29 years old
Ariza 29 years old
Dirk 36 years old
Gortat 30 years old


Sure Dirk is getting old but he had a great year . And when was the last time a team of 25 year olds won a NBA Championship ? Duncan seems to be doing pretty well with at 38 years old . Even Parker is Calderon's age ( While he is a lot better but Calderon doesn't need athleticism to be a Top 5 3 Point shooter . As for the Spurs that old ass team since re-signing a 36 year old Duncan ( same age as Dirk ) are taking their third straight trip to the Western Conference Finals and sticking it too the YOUNGER Thunder

I checked out the link. Ariza is definitely better than Marion on both sides of the ball, but my point is that he probably won't be the Ariza we saw this year. I don't think he would move the needle as much as you think. And he is not that young, when comparing him to other SFs in the West like 25yo Nic Batum, 22yo Kawhi Leonard, 25yo Chandler Parsons.


We don't know if Dirk will play at such a high level again. He actually surprised everyone, based on his play in 2012 it looked like he was on the decline. You're banking on him having that kind of year again which is an outlier for players his age. And it's not like Dallas is San Antonio where they can rest him throughout the season. He'll have to carry them for 82 games again, and chances are his defense will fall off a cliff because he'll be using all his energy on offense.

Duncan isn't the one carrying the Spurs, for the last ~5 years it's been Parker who is still only 32. And they have an amazing bench and were well-rested throughout the season. Dallas is gonna be relying on 36-year old Dirk as the main pivot of their offensive attack, it's not the most optimistic situation going into a loaded Western conference.

Dallas won a championship with a 32 year old Marion


Dirk based on his play in 2012 he was coming off a injury with a entirely new team . Again we had 3 new starters that Dirk wasn't able to practice for the first 3 months . Post Allstar break Dirk finally got it going that year and put up 30 Games 18.9 PPG 7.7 RPG .505 FG% .433 3P% .913 FT% and that was with completely terrible guard play . Mayo couldn't play with Dirk for **** and Collison got benched for 37 year old PG Mike James . Only Dumbass critics thought Dirk was done .

As for Dirk not being able to carry a team going forward . I think he has several more quality years in him just like Duncan . Also just like Duncan has Parker well Dirk has Ellis carrying a lot of the load . Now Dallas just needs more production from their SF and C to even more lighten the load

[HotrodBeaubois]

Hey I don't want to argue with you . I am just going to leave it as we don't see eye to eye . And may the best team win the services of Ariza / Gortat . Good luck . Either way whoever loses the sweepstakes it wont be the end for them . Just like Washington has other options besides Ariza/ Gortat Dallas also has other options . I just prefer Ariza / Gortat .


Good luck and maybe both of our teams will be good enough to meet in the Finals in the next couple of years .

[Illmatic12]

I agree that Dallas would be a great landing place for Gortat, to get Ariza as well would be excellent for them.

Either team would be a great fit. But from what Gortat has been saying, and what he said in his exit interview, it sounds like he really sees Washington as optimal and hopes to stay here. I'm afraid of him being pried away by Dallas though, one thing is for sure you guys have a better front office than we do and a culture of winning.

Most Wiz fans are split on whether to pursue Monroe or not, I'd prefer to go with Gortat as he'd be cheaper and I think a better fit compared to no-defense Monroe.

[tontoz]

If Dirk misses time the Mavs playoff hopes go down the toilet as well. They needed every single win this year

They'd be better, but not better than the top West teams and not good enough to get HCA

Last season Dirk missed 29 games and Wall missed 33. Dallas won 41 games and we won 29. They were still respectable without Dirk. We were the Bucks without Wall. We still don't have a quality backup to Wall even though that has been a priority for the last 3 years. Our GM is a joke and the players know it.

Dallas is a quality organization that has a long history of making smart moves. They havent had a losing season in over 10 years. They won more games this season than we have since the 70s. The contrast couldn't be more obvious.

[MarcoPolo]

Just a side note.

Gortat was called up for the polish national team for the eliminations before Eurobasket 2015. Which is no surprise as he is best polish player atm.

1-3 August friendly tournament (Portugal, Sweden, Iran)

10th Aug- 27 Aug eliminations vs. Germany, Austria, Luxembourg game and revange.

http://www.pzkosz.pl/aktualnosci/taylor ... ji-polski/

[MarcoPolo]

Life isn't just basketball so...

Give that guy some speed limit!

http://instagram.com/p/okQ02qj5ZR/

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There was an interview with Marcin in polish TV TVN. Reporter asked Marcin about new contract. Marcin said that he can't talk about details of the new contract yet because negotiations will start 1st July, but he is interested in 4 or 5 year contract. (no less than 4 years)

Redaktorka: Czy to jest prawda, że ty teraz negocjujesz podpisanie nowego kontraktu. Tutaj w Polsce padają bardzo wysokie kwoty - 13, 15 mln $ rocznie.

Marcin: O konkretnych kwotach ani klubie, czy rzeczach które w tym kontrakcie miałyby się zawierać, nie mogę jeszcze rozmawiać z tego względu, że tak zwane okno transferowe będzie otwarte dopiero 1 lipca, ale nie da się ukryć, że interesuje mnie nie mniej niż 4 letni kontrakt, a nie wyższy niż 5 lat

[Illmatic12]

There was an interview with Marcin in polish TV TVN. Reporter asked Marcin about new contract. Marcin said that he can't talk about details of the new contract yet because negotiations will start 1st July, but he is interested in 4 or 5 year contract. (no less than 4 years)

Redaktorka: Czy to jest prawda, że ty teraz negocjujesz podpisanie nowego kontraktu. Tutaj w Polsce padają bardzo wysokie kwoty - 13, 15 mln $ rocznie.

Marcin: O konkretnych kwotach ani klubie, czy rzeczach które w tym kontrakcie miałyby się zawierać, nie mogę jeszcze rozmawiać z tego względu, że tak zwane okno transferowe będzie otwarte dopiero 1 lipca, ale nie da się ukryć, że interesuje mnie nie mniej niż 4 letni kontrakt, a nie wyższy niż 5 lat

Ummm.. what is the translation of this part?:


'13, 15 mln $ rocznie'


^^I don't understand a lick of Polish, but please tell me he isn't saying what I think he's saying, lol

[MarcoPolo]

There was an interview with Marcin in polish TV TVN. Reporter asked Marcin about new contract. Marcin said that he can't talk about details of the new contract yet because negotiations will start 1st July, but he is interested in 4 or 5 year contract. (no less than 4 years)

Redaktorka: Czy to jest prawda, że ty teraz negocjujesz podpisanie nowego kontraktu. Tutaj w Polsce padają bardzo wysokie kwoty - 13, 15 mln $ rocznie.

Marcin: O konkretnych kwotach ani klubie, czy rzeczach które w tym kontrakcie miałyby się zawierać, nie mogę jeszcze rozmawiać z tego względu, że tak zwane okno transferowe będzie otwarte dopiero 1 lipca, ale nie da się ukryć, że interesuje mnie nie mniej niż 4 letni kontrakt, a nie wyższy niż 5 lat

Ummm.. what is the translation of this part?:


'13, 15 mln $ rocznie'


^^I don't understand a lick of Polish, but please tell me he isn't saying what I think he's saying, lol

The reporter: Is that true that you are now negotiating new contract. In polish media there are sums around 13-15 mln $ a year?

Marcin: I can't tell you right now about exact sums or teams or the things that will be included in the contract, because the official transfer window will be open on 1st July, but on the other hand i can tell you one thing I'm interested in 4-year contract, and no longer then 5-year deal.

From me: polish media has that kinda thing that they embellish some things. They know he played well, but they don't know exactly what to expect so they throw some sums they think are accurate, but even Marcin will be a fool if he would expect 13-15 mln deal. I know he knows his value which imo is 10-12 mln a year.

[hands11]

I agree that Dallas would be a great landing place for Gortat, to get Ariza as well would be excellent for them.

Either team would be a great fit. But from what Gortat has been saying, and what he said in his exit interview, it sounds like he really sees Washington as optimal and hopes to stay here. I'm afraid of him being pried away by Dallas though, one thing is for sure you guys have a better front office than we do and a culture of winning.

Most Wiz fans are split on whether to pursue Monroe or not, I'd prefer to go with Gortat as he'd be cheaper and I think a better fit compared to no-defense Monroe.

Would Monroe really cost more then Gortat ? Using Curry as a comp who was the 7th in 2009 and Monroe as the 7th in 2010, Curry's contract started at $9,887,642 last year.

I actually see Monroe's game as being more a replacement for Nene's then I do Gortat. Granted, Monroe is a better rebounder then Nene but his game strikes me as more similar to Nene.

As for Gortat, I think they have to bring him back. His personality and leadership is core to what they are doing here. Greg is not a replacement for that. I get the the view that Monroe is younger and the Wizards can transition to a younger team with him, but I don't think that is needed right now. Adding in Otto next year is the next step in doing that.

They are rolling in pieces nicely. First it was Wall. Next it was Beal. Next will be Otto. I say bring back TA if you can because I want to see at least one more year of him and Otto on the team together, but if push comes to shove, you let TA walk and you still have Otto and Webster, which is why you signed Webster to the contact you did. Otto would have to replace TA's defense, Webster provides TA's 3 ball, and Webster can play that leadership roll.

Push comes to shove, you sign Gortat and let TA walk. The team might take a step back, they might not. That depends on how well Otto does next year. Otto is a red shirt freshman coming into his 2nd year. Following a year on off court experience next year, he will be a 3rd year 22 year old.

Sure they could lose TAs experience, but some times you have to step back to step forward.

[hands11]

As for Gortat to Dallas. MEH.

I liked Dallas more than most last year because they still had Dirk and I felt he still had something in the tank. Cuban did well to add Ellis to give that team some life. But Dirke just turned 35 now. He can stick around for a while sure, but he has already hit that wall and is starting the fade. Less minutes will only continue. So who replaces him as the star of that team ? No one has the answer to that.

Dallas might be able to attract a new one. Cuban is a good owner, but how is that team going to get over the hump in the West ? LAC, OKC and how MEM, HOU. Portland on the rise. Golden State getting their share of wins. Maybe getting Love. Phoenix on the rise. And you have great organizations like SAS and the Laker will be back eventually. vs

Calderon 33, Ellis 29, Marion 36, Dirk 35, Gortat 30, Vince Carter 37 (if he stays), DeJuan Blair (if he stays)

Even if they plug in TA for Marion, that doesn't get it done. TA doesn't have any handles. That team would be screaming for a SF with handles. And in a year or two Dirk's mins are only going down more. Dallas doesn't have a good pick this year. All they can do is add FAs. They really don't have much to trade. Marion and Carter are old.

Dallas would be better off with Deng instead of Trevor A

So while they could put together a good line up with Gortat for next year, then what ? Gortat has to think about this. That team is on its last leg. Wizards are on the rise. At age 30, he can have a good run with the Wizards over the next 3 years in a easier East or the can go the Dallas and play for an aging team whos best player is fading and battle a more difficult West.

[Tricky_Kid]

I'm sure on 99.9% that Marcin will resign with Wizards ---> check this out --> http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/marcin-g ... mecz/xmnnv

no doubt he is talking all the time about "his" team washinghton wizards I'm sure that He decided to stay and play in DC ! great

[Tricky_Kid]

one more thing - Gortat's father said during interview that Marcin is staying in Washinghton cause He is very pleased with the club and vice versa.

[dckingsfan]

That would be great! Hopefully he doesn't have an agent

[Tricky_Kid]

He has but I doubt He will be greedy, He'll accept even less offer if it's from wizards

[nate33]

Best case scenario is a 4-year $40M deal structured to minimize his 2015/16 salary:

2014/15 - $10.00M
2015/16 - $9.25M
2016/17 - $10.00M
2017/18 - $10.75M

[Dat2U]

Best case scenario is a 4-year $40M deal structured to minimize his 2015/16 salary:

2014/15 - $10.00M
2015/16 - $9.25M
2016/17 - $10.00M
2017/18 - $10.75M

I'd be okay with that but considering the market & the potential suitors I think 4 yrs - $50+ mil is more likely.

I think Ernie will shoot his wad early to avoid Gortat visiting other teams. The $13 mil figure is very high to me and I wouldn't pay it but I suspect Ernie would.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Best case scenario is a 4-year $40M deal structured to minimize his 2015/16 salary:

2014/15 - $10.00M
2015/16 - $9.25M
2016/17 - $10.00M
2017/18 - $10.75M

I am not a salary cap guy but if I were to guess I would say that is not going to happen. Gortat's going to get paid. EG will pay handsomely, maybe even over pay. My guess would be more like 4 years and 45 million or 3 years and 36 million will be Gortat's new deal. He will make 11 or 12M per season.

It won't shock me if he receives 3 years and 40 million front loaded. That is an EG overpay waiting to happen.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Best case scenario is a 4-year $40M deal structured to minimize his 2015/16 salary:

2014/15 - $10.00M
2015/16 - $9.25M
2016/17 - $10.00M
2017/18 - $10.75M

I'd be okay with that but considering the market & the potential suitors I think 4 yrs - $50+ mil is more likely.

I think Ernie will shoot his wad early to avoid Gortat visiting other teams. The $13 mil figure is very high to me and I wouldn't pay it but I suspect Ernie would.

Dang, Dat we are certainly on the same page!

Since you guessed 50M and I guessd 45M let's just call it four years and forty seven point five million right now.

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[nate33]

Best case scenario is a 4-year $40M deal structured to minimize his 2015/16 salary:

2014/15 - $10.00M
2015/16 - $9.25M
2016/17 - $10.00M
2017/18 - $10.75M

I'd be okay with that but considering the market & the potential suitors I think 4 yrs - $50+ mil is more likely.

I think Ernie will shoot his wad early to avoid Gortat visiting other teams. The $13 mil figure is very high to me and I wouldn't pay it but I suspect Ernie would.

I agree that the 4-year $40M contract is unlikely. That's why I called it a "best case" scenario. I also suspect something more in the $11-12M a year range. I don't think it'll get to $13M a year unless someone else offers that much and Gortat gives us an opportunity to match.