Love in town to "see what it's like"

[robbie84]

Good sign indeed.
Thinking about the bigger picture, I think we aren't giving up as much for Kevin Love as we may think.
After all, Danny knows how important all those picks will be for acquiring another star player and how badly we'll need caproom to sign the right pieces around Love and Rondo.

I think the plan is to get Love with Sully, the #6 and the #17 pick+ fillers ie Green oe Bass. I think the big part of this that isn't expected so much is that Gerald Wallace will be going to Minny as part of this deal. We may need to add another pick from Brooklyn, but he MUST go.

The question is, who/what is the next penny to drop with the rest of our picks and Kelly Olynyk?
I'm still not 100% sure on the pick scenario, BUT....

I think the most likely scenario we are going to see is something like:

Part 1)
BOSTON SENDS:
2014 #6 pick+ 2014 #17 pick+Jarred Sullinger+ Jeff Green+Gerald Wallace.

MINNESOTA SENDS:
Kevin Love+Kevin Martin.

Part 2)
BOSTON SENDS:
Brandon Bass+2015 Clippers pick
HOUSTON SENDS:
OMER ASIK

BOSTON SIGNS:
Luol Deng 4 years $56 million

We now have Love, Rondo and Deng, with Asik expiring for when Marc Gasol hits the free agency market.
We have a team that hopefully gets Rondo to sign to another long term friendly deal so we can give Love the big $$$ he wants too.
Deng has just turned 29 (he's less than a year older than Rondo) and averaged 18.3 points and 6.5 rebounds, and 3.5 assists per game. He's also an excellent defender and is in his prime at 29 years old.

So our starting 5 looks like:
Rondo-13 Million
Martin- 7 million
Deng-14 million
Love- bird rights up to maximum (not sure what his max is?..19 million?)
Asik- 8 million

That's $61 million of a $63.2 million cap with a luxury tax threshold of $77 million.
Now we can use the Pierce trade exception for one of these deals and someone with better cap knowledge may be able to confirm exactly which player we can do that with? (Perhaps Asik if we send a cheaper player than Bass?)
We can then sign Rondo over the cap with his bird rights once again and we could also add Pierce with the MLE.
Anyway, the point is that this roster is 100% doable and this roster is a pretty serious threat in the East.
Martin comes off the cap in 2017 but his contract is pretty tradeable if we need to move him and some of our Brooklyn picks for a better player down the road. Asik also expires in 2015-16 but again we'll have his Bird rights if we need them and want him.

[DarkAzcura]

I feel like the only one who wants to keep Green, lol. Not at the expense of Love, though.

Looking back at an old idea, would anyone be more willing to get Hayward if we got Love? He's basically a better playmaking version of Green honestly..not sure if it is possible, though.

[DK-All Day]

[BRUNiNHO91]

I feel like the only one who wants to keep Green, lol. Not at the expense of Love, though.

Looking back at an old idea, would anyone be more willing to get Hayward if we got Love? He's basically a better playmaking version of Green honestly..not sure if it is possible, though.

I would love to keep Green also. I'd only offer him if it was to NY as part of another trade for Melo.

[15th overall]

Being famous must kinda suck. This guy's posed for more pictures in the last 24 hours than I have in the past 6 months.

[illmatic28]

I'd rather see them just keep Green rather than signing Deng. Put that money towards another position if possible. I'd like to see them grab another SG somehow and make Bradley a super 6th man. Make him battle it out and earn maximum playing time at SG. Not a big fan of Martin either and his contract.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Love/Asik. Even if this was the starting five, that should be a fantastic rebounding team. If they have Humphries and Olynyk or Sully coming off the bench, even better. They would have very good size too except for Bradley so they could potentially give Miami a run for their money.

I think my ideal Love first year roster would be something like...

Asik/Humphries
Love/Olynyk (or Sully)
Green/Wallace? (ugh) or Budinger?
???/Bradley. Maybe Bradley/Martin if they're sending him with Love. Don't like that combo though.
Rondo/Bayless

I actually wouldn't be against moving Olynyk or Sullinger in exchange for an upgrade at SG. No clue who would be available but yeah. If they managed to keep 17, they can grab the best available SG/SF. Between the draft, free agency and players available in trades, it seems like SF is the easiest position to fill. SG seems to be the biggest pain. I'd just love to see them take care of that with Bradley being the sixth man.

I have a feeling that Minny would unload Martin along with Love though. Maybe that would allow us to only give up a couple picks too. It's all just silly speculation but it's fun to think about.

[Captain_Caveman]

Good sign indeed.
Thinking about the bigger picture, I think we aren't giving up as much for Kevin Love as we may think.
After all, Danny knows how important all those picks will be for acquiring another star player and how badly we'll need caproom to sign the right pieces around Love and Rondo.

I think the plan is to get Love with Sully, the #6 and the #17 pick+ fillers ie Green oe Bass. I think the big part of this that isn't expected so much is that Gerald Wallace will be going to Minny as part of this deal. We may need to add another pick from Brooklyn, but he MUST go.

The question is, who/what is the next penny to drop with the rest of our picks and Kelly Olynyk?
I'm still not 100% sure on the pick scenario, BUT....

I think the most likely scenario we are going to see is something like:

Part 1)
BOSTON SENDS:
2014 #6 pick+ 2014 #17 pick+Jarred Sullinger+ Jeff Green+Gerald Wallace.

MINNESOTA SENDS:
Kevin Love+Kevin Martin.

Part 2)
BOSTON SENDS:
Brandon Bass+2015 Clippers pick
HOUSTON SENDS:
OMER ASIK

BOSTON SIGNS:
Luol Deng 4 years $56 million

We now have Love, Rondo and Deng, with Asik expiring for when Marc Gasol hits the free agency market.
We have a team that hopefully gets Rondo to sign to another long term friendly deal so we can give Love the big $$$ he wants too.
Deng has just turned 29 (he's less than a year older than Rondo) and averaged 18.3 points and 6.5 rebounds, and 3.5 assists per game. He's also an excellent defender and is in his prime at 29 years old.

So our starting 5 looks like:
Rondo-13 Million
Martin- 7 million
Deng-14 million
Love- bird rights up to maximum (not sure what his max is?..19 million?)
Asik- 8 million

That's $61 million of a $63.2 million cap with a luxury tax threshold of $77 million.
Now we can use the Pierce trade exception for one of these deals and someone with better cap knowledge may be able to confirm exactly which player we can do that with? (Perhaps Asik if we send a cheaper player than Bass?)
We can then sign Rondo over the cap with his bird rights once again and we could also add Pierce with the MLE.
Anyway, the point is that this roster is 100% doable and this roster is a pretty serious threat in the East.
Martin comes off the cap in 2017 but his contract is pretty tradeable if we need to move him and some of our Brooklyn picks for a better player down the road. Asik also expires in 2015-16 but again we'll have his Bird rights if we need them and want him.

I like how you think, but there is like a 0% chance Minny gets stuffed with Gerald Wallace in this.

[165bows]

I feel like the only one who wants to keep Green, lol. Not at the expense of Love, though.

Looking back at an old idea, would anyone be more willing to get Hayward if we got Love? He's basically a better playmaking version of Green honestly..not sure if it is possible, though.

Nah, I agree it's gone overboard. If they trade for Love, they really need someone like Green on board. I'm down for an upgrade if it's available, but sometimes the simpler path forward can be best. Green is an athletic defender who will get all the tough wing assignments on D, while still providing some offense.

And for all the talk about how there is no chance of him showing up in the playoffs, he did put up 20/5 just a year ago. Sure, he can be frustrating, but the dude is already here. If they have to swap him for Brewer we will really have something to complain about.

[bucknersrevenge]

I feel like the only one who wants to keep Green, lol. Not at the expense of Love, though.

Looking back at an old idea, would anyone be more willing to get Hayward if we got Love? He's basically a better playmaking version of Green honestly..not sure if it is possible, though.

I would love to keep Green also. I'd only offer him if it was to NY as part of another trade for Melo.

Agreed. Dark, you're definitely not the only one. He slots in nicely as a #2 guy behind Love. He stands to benefits greatly playing the "Corey Brewer" role, keaking out and feeding off the great outlet passes Love can make to him igniting the fastbreak and getting Green out in the open court where he can be the athlete he is. Plus if nothing else his contract is reasonable. He only has this year and a player option he will likely exercise. As BRUN said, you only move Green if it nets you Melo in return. Otherwise, it makes sense to stay flexible there and look out for potential upgrades.

[UGA Hayes]

Pfft, I'd abandon green at an orphanage at this point

[Kenhov]

I hope we can trade up more than anything. Yes Love is a huge upgrade but we may just become Minny in the East.

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[brackdan70]

Good sign indeed.
Thinking about the bigger picture, I think we aren't giving up as much for Kevin Love as we may think.
After all, Danny knows how important all those picks will be for acquiring another star player and how badly we'll need caproom to sign the right pieces around Love and Rondo.

I think the plan is to get Love with Sully, the #6 and the #17 pick+ fillers ie Green oe Bass. I think the big part of this that isn't expected so much is that Gerald Wallace will be going to Minny as part of this deal. We may need to add another pick from Brooklyn, but he MUST go.

The question is, who/what is the next penny to drop with the rest of our picks and Kelly Olynyk?
I'm still not 100% sure on the pick scenario, BUT....

I think the most likely scenario we are going to see is something like:

Part 1)
BOSTON SENDS:
2014 #6 pick+ 2014 #17 pick+Jarred Sullinger+ Jeff Green+Gerald Wallace.

MINNESOTA SENDS:
Kevin Love+Kevin Martin.

Part 2)
BOSTON SENDS:
Brandon Bass+2015 Clippers pick
HOUSTON SENDS:
OMER ASIK

BOSTON SIGNS:
Luol Deng 4 years $56 million

We now have Love, Rondo and Deng, with Asik expiring for when Marc Gasol hits the free agency market.
We have a team that hopefully gets Rondo to sign to another long term friendly deal so we can give Love the big $$$ he wants too.
Deng has just turned 29 (he's less than a year older than Rondo) and averaged 18.3 points and 6.5 rebounds, and 3.5 assists per game. He's also an excellent defender and is in his prime at 29 years old.

So our starting 5 looks like:
Rondo-13 Million
Martin- 7 million
Deng-14 million
Love- bird rights up to maximum (not sure what his max is?..19 million?)
Asik- 8 million

That's $61 million of a $63.2 million cap with a luxury tax threshold of $77 million.
Now we can use the Pierce trade exception for one of these deals and someone with better cap knowledge may be able to confirm exactly which player we can do that with? (Perhaps Asik if we send a cheaper player than Bass?)
We can then sign Rondo over the cap with his bird rights once again and we could also add Pierce with the MLE.
Anyway, the point is that this roster is 100% doable and this roster is a pretty serious threat in the East.
Martin comes off the cap in 2017 but his contract is pretty tradeable if we need to move him and some of our Brooklyn picks for a better player down the road. Asik also expires in 2015-16 but again we'll have his Bird rights if we need them and want him.

don't think we can sign Deng.
will have to get rid of all cap holds including Bradley....to get to 52 million with 7 players in that scenario....need roster of 13 so minimum salary cap holds get you to at least 56 million...so not room to sign Deng unless for 7 millionish

[robbie84]

Good sign indeed.
Thinking about the bigger picture, I think we aren't giving up as much for Kevin Love as we may think.
After all, Danny knows how important all those picks will be for acquiring another star player and how badly we'll need caproom to sign the right pieces around Love and Rondo.

I think the plan is to get Love with Sully, the #6 and the #17 pick+ fillers ie Green oe Bass. I think the big part of this that isn't expected so much is that Gerald Wallace will be going to Minny as part of this deal. We may need to add another pick from Brooklyn, but he MUST go.

The question is, who/what is the next penny to drop with the rest of our picks and Kelly Olynyk?
I'm still not 100% sure on the pick scenario, BUT....

I think the most likely scenario we are going to see is something like:

Part 1)
BOSTON SENDS:
2014 #6 pick+ 2014 #17 pick+Jarred Sullinger+ Jeff Green+Gerald Wallace.

MINNESOTA SENDS:
Kevin Love+Kevin Martin.

Part 2)
BOSTON SENDS:
Brandon Bass+2015 Clippers pick
HOUSTON SENDS:
OMER ASIK

BOSTON SIGNS:
Luol Deng 4 years $56 million

We now have Love, Rondo and Deng, with Asik expiring for when Marc Gasol hits the free agency market.
We have a team that hopefully gets Rondo to sign to another long term friendly deal so we can give Love the big $$$ he wants too.
Deng has just turned 29 (he's less than a year older than Rondo) and averaged 18.3 points and 6.5 rebounds, and 3.5 assists per game. He's also an excellent defender and is in his prime at 29 years old.

So our starting 5 looks like:
Rondo-13 Million
Martin- 7 million
Deng-14 million
Love- bird rights up to maximum (not sure what his max is?..19 million?)
Asik- 8 million

That's $61 million of a $63.2 million cap with a luxury tax threshold of $77 million.
Now we can use the Pierce trade exception for one of these deals and someone with better cap knowledge may be able to confirm exactly which player we can do that with? (Perhaps Asik if we send a cheaper player than Bass?)
We can then sign Rondo over the cap with his bird rights once again and we could also add Pierce with the MLE.
Anyway, the point is that this roster is 100% doable and this roster is a pretty serious threat in the East.
Martin comes off the cap in 2017 but his contract is pretty tradeable if we need to move him and some of our Brooklyn picks for a better player down the road. Asik also expires in 2015-16 but again we'll have his Bird rights if we need them and want him.

I like how you think, but there is like a 0% chance Minny gets stuffed with Gerald Wallace in this.

I had thought the same up until I realized that Love is somewhat in the driving seat for much of this process- which to an extent means that Danny is also in the drivers seat with him.
Wallace expires in 2 seasons time and the Wolves without Love aren't really going anywhere in that time.
They'll be developing those picks on low salaries so Wallace is much of a muchness to them if they want to do the rebuild correctly.
If worse comes to worst, then we bite the bullet and give them another pick (Brooklyn) or two(our own in 2016) for taking on Wallace's deal.
Remember they get Jeff Green back who is arguably worth a mid-late first round pick on a friendly contract whilst they dump Martin's contract (who's deal is longer than Green's contract).

Pick 6+ pick 17+Sully+ Green is an enormous haul for a guy who's leaving anyway and who's trade value continues to go down the later Minnesota waits to deal him. Part of the price is taking back Wallace so Love's new team can afford to put a star or two around him.

Regardless, we can do this deal- even if we had to give up an extra pick or two, and still make a contender with multiple Brooklyn picks left over for the future.

[pfm]

I'm not a Sox fan, but they better **** win and put on a good show tomorrow. Walk off would be ideal.

[Banks2Pierce]

Let's put it like this. When I want the CNN version of Celtic world events, I check out ESPN's website. When I want a quick update on fact-based rumors and potential happenings, I hop onto Celtics Blog. When I want the "National Enquirer" version of Celtic news, I check out Hoopshype's twitter feed... tons of nonsense in there. ANd when I want the "Weekly World News" version of "anything flies/big foot is real" foolishness, I check out this forum. When you're desperate for completely unsubstantiated rumors from fake sources, this is the best spot to be in.

I don't personally know if this dude is telling the truth and actually knows people in the organization, but having occasionally visited this forum periodically for the past decade, I can tell you that there's frequently some posters on here making up rumors and pretending to have sources. It's the dregs. BUt if you're super desperate for rumors and want some sci-fi fantasy stories to hold you over until someone legitimate reports... you can always guarantee someone on the RealGm team forums will be making up rumors for you to eat up.

Yea, I hated getting the early Kevin Garnett-Big Al trade info that got me 90:1 odds on the 2008 title...

And I really gotta question how often you are on CelticsBlog if you think it's somehow more reliable than here.

[Captain_Caveman]

Let's put it like this. When I want the CNN version of Celtic world events, I check out ESPN's website. When I want a quick update on fact-based rumors and potential happenings, I hop onto Celtics Blog. When I want the "National Enquirer" version of Celtic news, I check out Hoopshype's twitter feed... tons of nonsense in there. ANd when I want the "Weekly World News" version of "anything flies/big foot is real" foolishness, I check out this forum. When you're desperate for completely unsubstantiated rumors from fake sources, this is the best spot to be in.

I don't personally know if this dude is telling the truth and actually knows people in the organization, but having occasionally visited this forum periodically for the past decade, I can tell you that there's frequently some posters on here making up rumors and pretending to have sources. It's the dregs. BUt if you're super desperate for rumors and want some sci-fi fantasy stories to hold you over until someone legitimate reports... you can always guarantee someone on the RealGm team forums will be making up rumors for you to eat up.

Yea, I hated getting the early Kevin Garnett-Big Al trade info that got me 90:1 odds on the 2008 title...

And I really gotta question how often you are on CelticsBlog if you think it's somehow more reliable than here.

Seriously. The whole backlash against people dropping insider baseball nuggets is lame. There is plenty of scuttlebutt around all of these teams, as anyone who is even remotely connected to them knows. This board had up-to-the-minute updates during the whole KG trades, and as a result, there a few people I will give a little extra credence to.

More than that? IT'S A DISCUSSION FORUM! Anyone with reasonable intelligence should be able to discern the trollage from the semi-valid to the serious rumors as they see fit. Or not... but it's not life or death.

I have passed on some things that I have heard here and there, and it's always funny to me the people that are just somehow offended about it. Not telling them how to think about it, so why are they telling me that I didn't actually hear it? Oh, OK... lol.

[12buckets]

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[DarkAzcura]

Let's just leave all that alone and say thanks for the tip.

It really only matters if it happens anyways.

No, no. I'm very thankful.

I'm just curious to get my hopes even higher.

Let's put it like this. When I want the CNN version of Celtic world events, I check out ESPN's website. When I want a quick update on fact-based rumors and potential happenings, I hop onto Celtics Blog. When I want the "National Enquirer" version of Celtic news, I check out Hoopshype's twitter feed... tons of nonsense in there. ANd when I want the "Weekly World News" version of "anything flies/big foot is real" foolishness, I check out this forum. When you're desperate for completely unsubstantiated rumors from fake sources, this is the best spot to be in.

I don't personally know if this dude is telling the truth and actually knows people in the organization, but having occasionally visited this forum periodically for the past decade, I can tell you that there's frequently some posters on here making up rumors and pretending to have sources. It's the dregs. BUt if you're super desperate for rumors and want some sci-fi fantasy stories to hold you over until someone legitimate reports... you can always guarantee someone on the RealGm team forums will be making up rumors for you to eat up.

I hope you know celticblog posters talk about LBF's posts all of the time, lol. LBF is as real as it gets here.

celticsblog is like the SportsHub just in message board format. It still shocks me to this day how out of touch and negative some guys are over there.

If you are talking about the main site, though, that's a different story. The main site is pretty good. The forums, doe...

[tlee324]

I guess i'm one of the few real gm posters that doesn't see adding him as so special with becoming a legit contender, especially with the money he's expected to demand. he might not leave Boston with much room to build a balanced roster, and he's not good enough to carry a mediocre team.... if I were building a fantasy league team, he'd be first on my list....but not in building a real life contender.... I guess we'll see how it goes.....

[ParticleMan]

^^ agree with this. you need to construct a team carefully around love to be a real contender. exhibit #1 is a defensive presence at the 5 spot, which is tough to get. and then you will need an option 1a, and no jeff green and rajon rondo don't cut it.

hopefully ainge has a plan.