Andrew Wiggins is Harrison Barnes

DA_SCOUT · Post #121 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Fri May 30, 2014 4:50 am

He is NOT Harrison Barnes lol

Science is the answer:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJQNaKczLY[/youtube]

noobcake · Post #122 » by **noobcake** » Fri May 30, 2014 7:03 am

richboy wrote:
max23 wrote:
richboy wrote:
You just said it. Gay can't really shoot. So when he does create his shot he can't actually make the hoop. Realize Rudy Gay is one of the highest usage players in the league. He has a terrible PER to Usage ratio. He actually is good enough to create his shot total. He is just terrible at finishing. Especially shooting.

Also Gay isn't good at getting to the free throw line. Even at the college level he only took 3 free throws per game at the same point in his career. Wiggins was much better at getting to the line than Gay. That usually translates to the next level.

Imo Wiggins right now is a better ball handler than Gay. Right now I think his shot might be better than Gay. He is much more likely to be able to shoot over the top of the defense from range. Matter of fact I could make a case that right now Wiggins 19 years old is better than Gay at 28. Which is why I don't consider him raw. IMO people use that word anytime an athletic player doesn't have a refined offensive game. When in reality Wiggins right now only needs the experience to be as good as Gay. Will likely be far superior in 3 years. With no improvement at all I would take Wiggins over Gay. Wiggins after 1 year at Uconn was not even in the same ballpark on Wiggins level.

Kevin Durant rookie :20.3 ppg on 43%
Lebron James rookie:20.9 on 41.9%
Carmelo Anthony rookie:21 ppg on 42.6%
Rudy Gay this year with Kings in 55 games:20.1 ppg on 48.2%
You are telling that Wiggins will post better offensive numbers than Rudy Gay now?That would make him the bestwing rookie in a long time...I love Wiggins,favorite player in the draft,whoever drafts him becomes my favorite team,but his ball handling and finishing ability right now are below average,definately worse than Gay.The Hype train has to stop with this guy

Read my post and what I said. The only thing separating Wiggins from Gay is experience. Gay has been in the league for years and experience is going to help him be productive. If Wiggins and Gay both entered the league right now. Without any experience. Gay at his current skill set. Wiggins would still be a much better player.

Just to note I don't know what team Wiggins is going to go. His role will play big in his numbers. If he went to Phili I could see him doing 17 -20 ppg next year. He likely be the number 1 offensive option. Milwaukee or Cleveland not so much.

Rudy Gay has a career 16.4 PER. He has one of the worst PER to Usage rates in the league. His best stretch of Basketball in his entire career was with the Kings and it still not even that great. Only a few times in his career has he even hit .100 WS per 48. Rudy Gay is one of the least productive high usage players in the league. He in essence has to act like a superstar to give you average NBA production. Now the reality if Gay had an entire year just like his Sacramento time after the trade. Then chances are Wiggins won't match that until atleast his second year. However Gay has many years of not playing close to even that Sacramento level. Wiggins has very good shot even first year to be better than what Gay usually does.

You are on crack if you think current skill Rudy Gay is worse than current skill Wiggins

CaliBullsFan · Post #123 » by **CaliBullsFan** » Fri May 30, 2014 7:28 am

Wiggins is more like Richard Jefferson

Talent Chaser · Post #124 » by **Talent Chaser** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:46 am

James Worthy with range

76ciology · Post #125 » by **76ciology** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:36 pm

Wiggins is more explosively fast, better leaper, better length, has way lot more potential and has better handles (not saying much) than Barnes. And that makes a whole lot of difference.

Barnes a stiff. Plays more like a PF than a SF. While Wiggins is quick enough to even play SG.

DrCoach · Post #126 » by **DrCoach** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:40 pm

He isnt Barnes

He has Paul George Potential

SelfishPlayer · Post #127 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:41 pm

I've settle in on Wiggins being Latrell Sprewell with more length and a better 3 point shot.

SCourGe OF GoD · Post #128 » by **SCourGe OF GoD** » Sat May 31, 2014 9:46 pm

Christian Eyenga

ChuckChilly · Post #129 » by **ChuckChilly** » Sat May 31, 2014 9:52 pm

Wiggins will be Shawn Marion.

Clonetothebone · Post #130 » by **Clonetothebone** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 9:51 am

JonFromVA wrote:Wiggins has the kind of explosive game and first step that can really expand at the NBA level. Barnes' didn't and hasn't.

It's funny Barnes was hyped so much as the next great SG of the future, when from what I've heard ... he played primarily PF in highschool. It's the kind of misconception we see often with these kids ... like people assuming Kyrie was a natural PG when he played primarily SG in highschool.

wrong, he had McDermott as the PF (Dougie) and a Kohler kid as their center. Bubu Palo former ISU player was point guard.

They are both comparable in their demeanor on the court. Barnes in high school had a passive attitude out there and Wiggins was the same way most of his time at Kansas. Wiggins is the better athlete but Barnes was more skilled when he was in high school.

I'd take Wiggins over Barnes if I just consider their college careers. Barnes was more of a SF coming out of college as Henson was the PF and Zeller the Center on those Carolina teams.

EvanZ · Post #131 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 3:49 pm

More Batum than Barnes.

JonFromVA · Post #132 » by **JonFromVA** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 4:33 pm

Clonetothebone wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:Wiggins has the kind of explosive game and first step that can really expand at the NBA level. Barnes' didn't and hasn't.

It's funny Barnes was hyped so much as the next great SG of the future, when from what I've heard ... he played primarily PF in highschool. It's the kind of misconception we see often with these kids ... like people assuming Kyrie was a natural PG when he played primarily SG in highschool.

wrong, he had McDermott as the PF (Dougie) and a Kohler kid as their center. Bubu Palo former ISU player was point guard.

They are both comparable in their demeanor on the court. Barnes in high school had a passive attitude out there and Wiggins was the same way most of his time at Kansas. Wiggins is the better athlete but Barnes was more skilled when he was in high school.

I'd take Wiggins over Barnes if I just consider their college careers. Barnes was more of a SF coming out of college as Henson was the PF and Zeller the Center on those Carolina teams.

The issue isn't position, it's style of play, and Barnes was more comfortable in the post, and struggling to create his own shot on the perimeter is nothing new. There's a reason Mark Jackson kept trying to play him at PF and post him up.

Even nbadraft.net notes it as well as quite a few other things in their review of Barnes' weaknesses:

"He's also a work in progress playing on the perimeter since most of his high school career he was a post player"

Wiggins appears to have a very nice first step and a spin move he likes, but not much after that. Is there a video of him finishing left? If so, I haven't seen it yet. He has a lot of work to do.

max23 · Post #133 » by **max23** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 5:27 pm

Dont agree with everything he says usually,but great article on deanondraft about Wiggins hyped elite defense.

Golabki · Post #134 » by **Golabki** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 6:12 pm

[quote="EvanZ"]More Batum than Barnes.[/quote]
i like the batum comp... in the same vein as Paul George, but absolutely everything has to go right for him to get to Geroge-level. Batum is the mid-point between ariza and geroge

CanadaB-Ball · Post #135 » by **CanadaB-Ball** » Sun Jun 1, 2014 7:43 pm

Massamba wrote:Wiggins reminds me DeMar Dorozan coming from college.

If you ignore the fact that Wiggins is a significantly better athlete and defender, then yeah, I suppose you could make that comparison.

RapHippy · Post #136 » by **RapHippy** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:36 am

CanadaB-Ball wrote:
Massamba wrote:Wiggins reminds me DeMar Dorozan coming from college.

If you ignore the fact that Wiggins is a significantly better athlete and defender, then yeah, I suppose you could make that comparison.

Y'all take things too far, he said reminds him of. That means they were similar prospects except Wiggins is touted as #1 while Derozan was on the outside looking in of the top 5.

Slasher/athlete with unrefined basketball skills, questionable handle and decent shot. Wiggins is like Derozan, but on the next level as a prospect.

hands11 · Post #137 » by **hands11** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:17 am

RapHippy wrote:
CanadaB-Ball wrote:
Massamba wrote:Wiggins reminds me DeMar Dorozan coming from college.

If you ignore the fact that Wiggins is a significantly better athlete and defender, then yeah, I suppose you could make that comparison.

Y'all take things too far, he said reminds him of. That means they were similar prospects except Wiggins is touted as #1 while Derozan was on the outside looking in of the top 5.

Slasher/athlete with unrefined basketball skills, questionable handle and decent shot. Wiggins is like Derozan, but on the next level as a prospect.

So question is, how over hyped is this draft. Last year it was Shabbazz Shabbazz Shabbazz all year, then come draft time, he was a bust. I felt the same way about Bennett and look how he looked this year.

EvanZ · Post #138 » by **EvanZ** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 6:19 am

hands11 wrote:
RapHippy wrote:
CanadaB-Ball wrote:
If you ignore the fact that Wiggins is a significantly better athlete and defender, then yeah, I suppose you could make that comparison.

Y'all take things too far, he said reminds him of. That means they were similar prospects except Wiggins is touted as #1 while Derozan was on the outside looking in of the top 5.

Slasher/athlete with unrefined basketball skills, questionable handle and decent shot. Wiggins is like Derozan, but on the next level as a prospect.

So question is, how over hyped is this draft. Last year it was Shabbazz Shabbazz Shabbazz all year, then come draft time, he was a bust. I felt the same way about Bennett and look how he looked this year.

This draft isn't overhyped. I think expectations have been managed appropriately downwards over the past several months. It actually appears to be a pretty deep draft, but perhaps, no superstar talents. But let's be honest, true franchise players only come around so often.

dballislife · Post #139 » by **dballislife** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 10:30 am

the main difference is speed, wiggins got lightning quick speed and explosiveness, wiggins moves in a different level...also hes got quite a bit of hopes over barnes 4-5 inches is a huge huge difference

dballislife · Post #140 » by **dballislife** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 10:35 am

he might turn out to be a better version of a gay/derozan mix