2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Arsenal]

The interesting part was how gung-ho everyone on here was for Evan Turner.

Considering Cousins over Turner was a joke. Many were saying Turner over Wall if we had the first overall pick (which I thought was simply insane).

I'll admit, I didn't hate Turner, but I knew there were 2 prospects that were better than him: Cousins and Wall. To an extent, I also liked Favors more than him.

Ugh don't get me started. We had an awesome opportunity to take a franchise big man, and possibly even trade down to #4 to do so while picking up even more assets. Instead we took the megabust Evan Turner. Old, unathletic, and not able to shoot. Wonderful.

Thanks for nothing Collins/DiLeo/Thorn and whoever else was responsible for that catastrophe. Good riddance to all of them.

Hinkie is a blessing from the gods for saving us from the legacy of incompetence that has haunted this franchise.

[The Sixer Fixer]

No way I'm dealing high draft picks AND major cap space for Cousins. I won't get into personal feelings about Cousins as a player/person, so this is strictly about value. I will take my chances that Embiid/Wiggins/Parker/Exum turn out to be a star and we still have cap space to go after a major FA in the next year or two.

Guys like Durant, Love, Aldridge, LeBron, Melo, K. Irving, etc. all could be free agents in the next 2 years. Yeah, it's a roll of the dice banking on them wanting to come here, but still the better path imo.

[Slacktard]

Well if it would be say #3/#10/Thad for Cousins. I'd sign Melo this off-season then.

Noel/Cousins/Melo/3&D type SG/MCW

Maybe some like Thabo Sefolosha for the SG and then use the #32 on Jordan Adams if he slides because of some measureables not turning up too good at the combine (like his conditioning).

[Embiid P]

The interesting part was how gung-ho everyone on here was for Evan Turner.

Considering Cousins over Turner was a joke. Many were saying Turner over Wall if we had the first overall pick (which I thought was simply insane).

I'll admit, I didn't hate Turner, but I knew there were 2 prospects that were better than him: Cousins and Wall. To an extent, I also liked Favors more than him.

Ugh don't get me started. We had an awesome opportunity to take a franchise big man, and possibly even trade down to #4 to do so while picking up even more assets. Instead we took the megabust Evan Turner. Old, unathletic, and not able to shoot. Wonderful.

Thanks for nothing Collins/DiLeo/Thorn and whoever else was responsible for that catastrophe. Good riddance to all of them.

Hinkie is a blessing from the gods for saving us from the legacy of incompetence that has haunted this franchise.

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

[Eyeamok]

The actual draft can't come quick enough....At the start of the season Wiggins was head and shoulders (in popular opinion above everyone else) now it has become a 3 car race.

It's like Wiggins is a Teslar. You know it is the future but it is the future now?
Embiid is like a ford truck. Strong big and looks perfect, but will it be recalled ?
Parker is like my Hyundai. I wanted to buy a Nissan Pathfinder but they only had 3 rows of seats which only took super unleaded gas so I settled for a Santa Fe. Next year when I buy another new car the Santa Fe will be at the top on my list of cars to buy.




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[Eyeamok]

The interesting part was how gung-ho everyone on here was for Evan Turner.

Considering Cousins over Turner was a joke. Many were saying Turner over Wall if we had the first overall pick (which I thought was simply insane).

I'll admit, I didn't hate Turner, but I knew there were 2 prospects that were better than him: Cousins and Wall. To an extent, I also liked Favors more than him.

Ugh don't get me started. We had an awesome opportunity to take a franchise big man, and possibly even trade down to #4 to do so while picking up even more assets. Instead we took the megabust Evan Turner. Old, unathletic, and not able to shoot. Wonderful.

Thanks for nothing Collins/DiLeo/Thorn and whoever else was responsible for that catastrophe. Good riddance to all of them.

Hinkie is a blessing from the gods for saving us from the legacy of incompetence that has haunted this franchise.

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

If we had taken Cousins the Bynum trade would have never happen and we would still be exiting the playoffs in the first round or second. We needed a rebuild and thank goodness it is progressing in the right direction.

[OleSchool]

If I can remember right, I was a lurker then didn't register. The problem wasn't that people wanted Turner cause he was better than Cousins, it was Cousins attitude.

[Mik317]

If I can remember right, I was a lurker then didn't register. The problem wasn't that people wanted Turner cause he was better than Cousins, it was Cousins attitude.

Yes and No.

I can't speak for everybody but I wanted Turner a lot was a pretty big **** to anyone who didn't (sorry about that btw). In retrospec, I was caught up in the hype, wanted a great wing player, and now that I think about it..didn't actually see much about him lol (I didn't think we had a shot..the two guys I wanted were Monroe and George, who I figured would be kind of a reach at 6, where we should have landed). But for Cousins, who I enjoyed watching, my constant "don't take him alarm" was due to his attitude. But Cousins never was in the race. It was Favors and Wes Johnson (another guy I wanted...I am a horrible judge of talent it seems lol). Cousins never seemed like a realistic option. That draft taught me a lot..

1. Don't get hyped.
2. Don't be an ****
3. You don't know ****..so shaddup (I was right about Wall tho...so yay).

This is why I am not driving the bandwagon for any specific member of the "big 4"

[Embiid P]

Ugh don't get me started. We had an awesome opportunity to take a franchise big man, and possibly even trade down to #4 to do so while picking up even more assets. Instead we took the megabust Evan Turner. Old, unathletic, and not able to shoot. Wonderful.

Thanks for nothing Collins/DiLeo/Thorn and whoever else was responsible for that catastrophe. Good riddance to all of them.

Hinkie is a blessing from the gods for saving us from the legacy of incompetence that has haunted this franchise.

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

If we had taken Cousins the Bynum trade would have never happen and we would still be exiting the playoffs in the first round or second. We needed a rebuild and thank goodness it is progressing in the right direction.

You gotta admit that Cousins, Iguodala, Holiday, and possibly Vucevic would have been a pretty formidable team on paper but we still wouldn't be able to contend with the likes of the Heat, Spurs and Thunder for a title.

[Hardcore6erFan]

#3, #32 for Cousins
#10 for #18, #27

#18 McDaniels
#27 Stokes
#39 Dinwiddie
#54 McRae
would still have #47, #52, Anderson, Moultrie, Thad, and cap space to trade for future picks
sign Stephenson

MCW/Wroten/Dinwiddie
Stephenson/Wroten/McRae
Thompson/McDaniels
Noel/Stokes
Cousins/Sims

So much physical toughness, mental toughness, ego, and irrational confidence. I love it.

I'd rather watch that team be a pretender than a group of boring guys be a contender. Does that make me a bad fan? I just want to be entertained

[Mik317]

Yo we was so hyped for Turner lol

Cousins is cool and all. Great, he can score on the block, block shots, and be a decent rebounder. But go-to scorers at the SG position who are cold blooded and versatile are the rarest thing in the NBA. Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant are the only two in the entire league. Turner doesn't have the athleticism that those have, but he has the same arsenal of moves and killer mindstate.

Turner is cold-blooded and a leader. He's a rare commodity.

A go-to scorer with a killer instinct > a productive big.

I like to think it was Turner who made Kobblehead look into analytics so he would never be betrayed again.

[42uptop]

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

Cousins isn't nearly the distraction people make him out to be. He was fantastic at Kentucky but his attitude in Sacramento has been horrible due to the losing and bad management. If we take Cousins over Turner our team would have been very good, probably good enough to beat Boston and make it to the ECF.

Jrue/Meeks/Iguodala/Brand/Cousins with Lou/Thad/Hawes/Vucevic off the bench

Collins would have benched all the young guys though so it's a moot point

[Skates]

Cousins would have garnered more trade value than Turner did, but he is still a guy I don't want to try and build around. Hinkie is big on numbers and attitude, team first, non-loony guys, hence why Royce White never played a minute here. Cousins' talent was never in question, it was always his attitude and immaturity, and still is.

[snoopdogg88]

lol at all the Cousins love in here.
He's a loser, bad attitude, always will be.

Derrick Coleman of this generation.

[agiaco]

#3, #32 for Cousins
#10 for #18, #27

#18 McDaniels
#27 Stokes
#39 Dinwiddie
#54 McRae
would still have #47, #52, Anderson, Moultrie, Thad, and cap space to trade for future picks
sign Stephenson

MCW/Wroten/Dinwiddie
Stephenson/Wroten/McRae
Thompson/McDaniels
Noel/Stokes
Cousins/Sims

So much physical toughness, mental toughness, ego, and irrational confidence. I love it.

I'd rather watch that team be a pretender than a group of boring guys be a contender. Does that make me a bad fan? I just want to be entertained

If that occurred I would be utterly ashamed and disappointed with the Sixers

[Eyeamok]

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

If we had taken Cousins the Bynum trade would have never happen and we would still be exiting the playoffs in the first round or second. We needed a rebuild and thank goodness it is progressing in the right direction.

You gotta admit that Cousins, Iguodala, Holiday, and possibly Vucevic would have been a pretty formidable team on paper but we still wouldn't be able to contend with the likes of the Heat, Spurs and Thunder for a title.

It looks good on paper but our best shooter is Lou Williams coming off the bench. Meeks was more miss than hit. We were not making it out of the east with this lineup.

[Eyeamok]

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

Cousins isn't nearly the distraction people make him out to be. He was fantastic at Kentucky but his attitude in Sacramento has been horrible due to the losing and bad management. If we take Cousins over Turner our team would have been very good, probably good enough to beat Boston and make it to the ECF.

Jrue/Meeks/Iguodala/Brand/Cousins with Lou/Thad/Hawes/Vucevic off the bench

Collins would have benched all the young guys though so it's a moot point

Who would be the vocal leader and the leader by example of that team?

Jrue? No
Iguodala? When Iguodala does not have to be the man he is such a better player.
Brand was a veteran but more of a locker room leader he could not get it done on the court.

[Negrodamus]

I'm not arguing that Cousins isn't a better player than Turner is because he sure damned well is, but would he really have made our team that much better? He's a loose cannon and a locker room cancer, would you really have wanted him on our team? There's a reason why the Kings are a treadmill team that's perennially in the late lotto, and Cousins is a big part of it.

In hindsight, taking Turner with the 2nd pick wasn't so bad IMO. None of the other guys that were taken that year have established themselves as franchise players and probably wouldn't have helped us become contenders in the long run, with the exception of Paul George. I personally don't count him either because in 2010, hardly anyone expected him to become the player that he is now.

Cousins isn't nearly the distraction people make him out to be. He was fantastic at Kentucky but his attitude in Sacramento has been horrible due to the losing and bad management. If we take Cousins over Turner our team would have been very good, probably good enough to beat Boston and make it to the ECF.

Jrue/Meeks/Iguodala/Brand/Cousins with Lou/Thad/Hawes/Vucevic off the bench

Collins would have benched all the young guys though so it's a moot point

It's kinda funny how bad of a rap Cousins gets for his personality. He was never an issue at UK. The only problem he'd run into was techs from refs for complaining or getting physical with the other team. He wanted to win more than anyone, so he was pretty passionate. That translated to the Kings, but it was a different atmosphere there. He didn't get along with coaches, but there's a reason the organization stuck with him over Westphal and Smart.

It would be naive to say that he wasn't at fault for some of it. He certainly needed maturing, and I think he's come a long way. But I think it's time to take him down off the cross. He's not as bad as people make him out to be.

[Negrodamus]

And truth be told, I think Cousins would fit in nicely with this team. MCW and Nerlens would benefit greatly by having a massively talented player like him on board. And Cousins would play great off MCW on offense.

Based on how my opinion of Brett Brown has been formed, I also think he'd be a great coach for him too.

[OleSchool]

http://deanondraft.com/category/mock-drafts/

"3. Philadelphia 76ers- Joel Embiid, C

I imagine that this is the absolute latest Embiid drops. Hinkie has only had his job for a year but I have been highly impressed with him and think he’s far too intelligent to pass up Embiid. He already demonstrated that he was willing to gamble on an injured Nerlens Noel last year, and it actually works out well to pair them together. When both are healthy they can split the center minutes, and in a way they hedge each other’s injury risk. If one stays healthy and becomes a star, they build him alongside MCW. If they both stay healthy and become stars, they can experiment with playing them together or trade the inferior one. If Embiid is unavailable I would expect Hinkie to target Exum or Parker."

"10. Philadelphia 76ers- Jusuf Nurkic, C

Yeah, I know I already had Philly draft Embiid. But I’d like to point out a couple of things 1) If Philly doesn’t land Embiid at #3, I imagine Hinkie is likely to take Nurkic 2) Even if they do land Embiid, Hinkie might be a “take the best player and figure it out later type.” Bear in mind that Nurkic and Embiid are both inexperienced and foul prone, so neither will likely need > 24 mpg as a rookie. Nerlens can play alongside them as a PF, and then the guys all hedge each other. If they all pan out, they get a glut of trade chips.

If Philly doesn’t want to go with the plan of having their 3 top prospects all being centers, it’s hard to say who they would pick here. I imagine they would look at KJ McDaniels, Nik Stauskas, Kyle Anderson, and maybe Kristaps Porzingis if he keeps his name in the draft."