2014 NBA Draft Prospects Thread #5 | Raps picking 20th

[nahom1319]

If Ford's current projections hold up then we stand a very good chance of picking between any of the following:

Adreian Payne
Rodney Hood
Clint Capella
TJ Warren
Kyle Anderson
KJ McDaniels
Jusuf Nurkic

Take Jusuf and runnnnnnnnnnnnnnn . Perfect draft and stash opp.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Pod ... nnery-4558

25:50

Do you know that we already have franchise center?

Thank You Bryan Colangelo, last time we avoided a big because of need we missed out on this guy.


I mentioned Nurkic was a draft and stash. If nothing else he could be a valuable trade chip in a few years, or make Jonas expendable after a few more seasons down in the Adriatic League.

[Roland Brice]

First Masai, now Larry Legend:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/473496072241684481[/tweet]

[sweetcity]

I love to win some sort of contest to spend a day in the raps draft war room

[Indeed]

http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/spain/117773/kristaps-porzingis-says-he-won-t-enter-nba-draft-this-season.html

Also other recent articles hint that he wants to go in the lottery next year. Inglis too. Wait until the withdrawl date but most likely a few Euro will withdraw especially very young latte first second rounders.

I can see Poringzis gambling for another year, but Inglis with limited ceiling due to his vertical may declare this year. Besides, Inglis team seems to be heading to a lower talent league, which won't help him next year.

Perhaps we can wait until next week to see the Eurocamp measurements.

[Kevin Willis]

http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/spain/117773/kristaps-porzingis-says-he-won-t-enter-nba-draft-this-season.html

Also other recent articles hint that he wants to go in the lottery next year. Inglis too. Wait until the withdrawl date but most likely a few Euro will withdraw especially very young latte first second rounders.

I can see Poringzis gambling for another year, but Inglis with limited ceiling due to his vertical may declare this year. Besides, Inglis team seems to be heading to a lower talent league, which won't help him next year.

Perhaps we can wait until next week to see the Eurocamp measurements.

Yes that's correct about Inglis. It makes sense for him to go now while he's still a 'sexy' prospect.

Prozingis might not come if he's not guaranteed first round but next year is a good draft for bigs. Right now he's what - the 5th or 6th best PF. Next year he might be around Walker and Polythress which would make him around 8 or 9. He would be a guaranteed first next year though although this year he would be a year closer to his first big paycheck. Tough call.

[Kevin Willis]

First Masai, now Larry Legend:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/473496072241684481[/tweet]

Danny Ainge said the same thing. Another GM said it but name escapes me. It's a deep draft devoid of a lot of franchise changers. It's no 2003, closer to 2009 with a couple of all-stars and a bunch of good role players. The only superstars in that draft are Griffin, Harden and Curry.

Hmmm - is it as good as 2009? That year we would have 20 - Eric Maynor (Taj Gibson - 27, Collison - 21), 37 - Dejuan Blair (Meeks, Budinger, Beverly, Green, Thorton, Calathes - 40s) and 59 - Chinemelu Elonu (Patty Mills - 55, DeColo - 53). That's a draft deep in role players. And like this draft some really good PG prospects.

[Roland Brice]

First Masai, now Larry Legend:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/473496072241684481[/tweet]

Danny Ainge said the same thing. Another GM said it but name escapes me. It's a deep draft devoid of a lot of franchise changers. It's no 2003, closer to 2009 with a couple of all-stars and a bunch of good role players. The only superstars in that draft are Griffin, Harden and Curry.

Hmmm - is it as good as 2009? That year we would have 20 - Eric Maynor (Taj Gibson - 27, Collison - 21), 37 - Dejuan Blair (Meeks, Budinger, Beverly, Green, Thorton, Calathes - 40s) and 59 - Chinemelu Elonu (Patty Mills - 55, DeColo - 53). That's a draft deep in role players. And like this draft some really good PG prospects.

Agreed, I think 2009 is a great comparison. That draft was amazing in its own right. There's probably 1 or 2 hall of famers if we get lucky with this draft (namely Embiid and Wiggins). Otherwise I agree whole heartedly that it's closer to 2009 and I'm fine with that. Where we are in the draft depth is more valued than star power.

[ATLTimekeeper]

First Masai, now Larry Legend:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/473496072241684481[/tweet]

And the two guys reportedly in love with the draft are Morey and Ainge, both trying to use their picks as bait to land a star player.

[BillyGM]

Take Jusuf and runnnnnnnnnnnnnnn . Perfect draft and stash opp.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Pod ... nnery-4558

25:50

Do you know that we already have franchise center?

Thank You Bryan Colangelo, last time we avoided a big because of need we missed out on this guy.


I mentioned Nurkic was a draft and stash. If nothing else he could be a valuable trade chip in a few years, or make Jonas expendable after a few more seasons down in the Adriatic League.

Drummond's max vert is 33.5 Nurkic's 23.0

[TNRaps4life]

Do you know that we already have franchise center?

Thank You Bryan Colangelo, last time we avoided a big because of need we missed out on this guy.


I mentioned Nurkic was a draft and stash. If nothing else he could be a valuable trade chip in a few years, or make Jonas expendable after a few more seasons down in the Adriatic League.

Drummond's max vert is 33.5 Nurkic's 23.0

Nurkic can can actually score and has good spin move. Drummond can rebound and put back.. Different players.. both talented. If Nurkic is there at 20.. no way you do not take him.

[thunderforce]

Do you know that we already have franchise center?

Thank You Bryan Colangelo, last time we avoided a big because of need we missed out on this guy.


I mentioned Nurkic was a draft and stash. If nothing else he could be a valuable trade chip in a few years, or make Jonas expendable after a few more seasons down in the Adriatic League.

Drummond's max vert is 33.5 Nurkic's 23.0

I would rather have the 23 guy if he could shoot free throws .

[Chriscross]

Nurkic is a Top 10 talent easily

If he is there at 20, you take him and don't look back because the cops are probably looking for you

[ATLTimekeeper]

Watching Porzingis in the playoffs. Had a nice one-handed putback and1 after checking right into the game. A pretty bad goaltend right after that.

[Dukenukem23]

I was clearly referring to Thanasis specifically since you mentioned how his 8'8.5" standing reach must have been measured short based on nothing but a hunch, and is actually closer to 8'11". but nevertheless discussing this with you would seem to be a lost cause so I'm done with your estimates. Hopefully, we can continue the thread with actual facts.

Read this, hopefully this educates you on the subject.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2008/6/22/54308 ... r-explorin

A well written article from 2008 explaining how the combine numbers are skewed. The article also explains why you need to use "common sense" to determine if a player has tanked their standing reach in favour of higher vertical numbers. There is no way to say exactly how much a player tanked their reach but you can make an educated guess based on the eye test, max vertical touch, wingspan, etc, etc all combined.

Lol you still don't get it but you're still taking your petty shots. Anyways.... and nahom thought I was the "butthurt" one.

You keep mentioning the butthurt comment.....His comment really damaged your delicate ego didn't it? Poor thing, I'm sure he didn't mean to be mean to you.

But I digress. You asked about the standing reach scam I provided another source to explain how it works and you being illiterate or lazy didn't take the time to read it so you flame away some more. Pretty sad state of events Mr/mrs. Brice.

Totally unacceptable. Warning issued. - Rhett

[Kevin Willis]

Watching Porzingis in the playoffs. Had a nice one-handed putback and1 after checking right into the game. A pretty bad goaltend right after that.

Can you give a summary when the game is over?

[Kabookalu]

Funny thing about the 2003 and 2009 drafts is that they both look better in hindsight. At the time in 2003 it was the LeBron sweepstakes with Darko and Melo being the consolation prizes and Bosh being the outside chance of becoming a superstar. It was supposed to be if you didn't have a top 4 pick then you were getting a role player or solid starter. Looking back at it that draft produced a plethora of great players that no one expected them to peak where they did.

2009 was the Blake Griffin and Ricky Rubio draft. Everyone else was supposed to be average or good. No one thought Stephen Curry would be as good as he had become. Harden was thought to be a Brandon Roy type of player, which was a high bar, but that was a best case scenario. You never knew if he could have became an Evan Turner. Next thing you know he exceeded his comparison. If there were two players that expected to challenge Rubio and Griffin for top players in the draft it was Johnny Flynn and DeRozan. Flynn for whatever reason just rose in the ranks because he had "it", and DeRozan was "if he can polish his game he'll be a star, but the likely hood of that happening was unlikely given how raw he is."

Looking back at it those drafts didn't have the amount of hype leading up to it that this one does (well 2003 did for the sole reason of LeBron James, but it was top heavy with little else). If there's any draft I'd compare it to it'll be 2007 . That draft was supposed to be loaded with top tier talent AND depth, just like this one. Oden and Durant were supposed to be stars, Yi Jianlian was a Chinese Pau Gasol in the making, Jeff Green was supposed it be a do it all Scottie Pippen like forward, Corey Brewer was supposed to be what Paul George is now, Brandan Wright the next Bosh, and so on. That was the most disappointing draft in a while.

Not saying that 2014 will have a lot of busts (it could), but this is the most hyped draft since 2007 and I don't recall 2003 and 2009 having the same hype.

[MEDIC]

This isn't a top heavy draft. Seems super deep though.

A team like the Raptors should do will with a mid/ late 1st rounder & two 2nd rounders. I've been impressed with some of the players that some mocks feel will go in the 2nd round. Can't recall this many quality bigs going in the 2nd round before. Even some of the players potentially available at 20 would have gone top 10-15 in some recent drafts.

[SkywalkerAC]

Caught the very end of that game Porzingis was playing in. Impressed that he was even out there during crunch-time. He had a big alley-oop on the break and I may have seen a big block in a replay. Didn't see enough to make any kind of valuation but the big takeaway for me was that he was playing in the clutch of what appeared to be very high level basketball.

[SkywalkerAC]

This isn't a top heavy draft. Seems super deep though.

A team like the Raptors should do will with a mid/ late 1st rounder & two 2nd rounders. I've been impressed with some of the players that some mocks feel will go in the 2nd round. Can't recall this many quality bigs going in the 2nd round before. Even some of the players potentially available at 20 would have gone top 10-15 in some recent drafts.

Exactly. This is a rich get richer kind of draft where the playoff teams actually get good prospects and the top of the 2nd round is highly desirable due to the contracts.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Watching Porzingis in the playoffs. Had a nice one-handed putback and1 after checking right into the game. A pretty bad goaltend right after that.

Can you give a summary when the game is over?

Sure. It's over now. Porzingis' team was eliminated in a pretty close game. Not sure what his boxscore stats were, but I'd imagine something like 8/5 in about 20 mins.

The good:
-two big putbacks. One one-handed while getting shoved.
-finished an alley-oop on the fast break.
-took a hard foul to make a play at the rim, drained both FTs (form looks excellent, so it's surprising to see he shoots such a low %.)
-Active and vocal on D, frequently calling out assignments.
-Changed quite a few shots in the paint.
-Was able to cut off penetration without his man getting the dump off a couple of times.

The bad:
-Defensive rebounding. Had bad instincts. Wasn't always aware when the shot went up or where his man was. Was rarely in the mix.
-Soft double team on the perimeter late in the game was easily split, caused him to reach in and sent the guy to the line.
-Lazy fouls. Tried to pry away a rebound from a guy with one arm while the other guy had it secured. I think he ended up fouling out of this game as well.
-Blew a bunny in the 4th quarter.
-Took a hopeless fadeaway J with time on the clock.
-Had the ball stripped under the bucket.

Overall wasn't the most physical game, so it was hard to determine if that soft label was really appropriate. I never saw him shy from contact in this game, but he wasn't exactly carving out space for himself. He wasn't posted up at all, either.