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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2741 » by LloydFree » Mon Jun 2, 2014 9:45 am

OleSchool wrote:http://deanondraft.com/category/mock-drafts/

"3. Philadelphia 76ers- Joel Embiid, C

I imagine that this is the absolute latest Embiid drops. Hinkie has only had his job for a year but I have been highly impressed with him and think he’s far too intelligent to pass up Embiid. He already demonstrated that he was willing to gamble on an injured Nerlens Noel last year, and it actually works out well to pair them together. When both are healthy they can split the center minutes, and in a way they hedge each other’s injury risk. If one stays healthy and becomes a star, they build him alongside MCW. If they both stay healthy and become stars, they can experiment with playing them together or trade the inferior one. If Embiid is unavailable I would expect Hinkie to target Exum or Parker."

"10. Philadelphia 76ers- Jusuf Nurkic, C

Yeah, I know I already had Philly draft Embiid. But I’d like to point out a couple of things 1) If Philly doesn’t land Embiid at #3, I imagine Hinkie is likely to take Nurkic 2) Even if they do land Embiid, Hinkie might be a “take the best player and figure it out later type.” Bear in mind that Nurkic and Embiid are both inexperienced and foul prone, so neither will likely need > 24 mpg as a rookie. Nerlens can play alongside them as a PF, and then the guys all hedge each other. If they all pan out, they get a glut of trade chips.

If Philly doesn’t want to go with the plan of having their 3 top prospects all being centers, it’s hard to say who they would pick here. I imagine they would look at KJ McDaniels, Nik Stauskas, Kyle Anderson, and maybe Kristaps Porzingis if he keeps his name in the draft."


That's a terrible mock. He goes back and forth between what he would do and what the the team would do. Then he leaves Payne and Hood out of the 1st round.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2742 » by freshie2 » Mon Jun 2, 2014 10:28 am

OleSchool wrote:If I can remember right, I was a lurker then didn't register. The problem wasn't that people wanted Turner cause he was better than Cousins, it was Cousins attitude.

Exactly...If he didn't have the head issues, he was probably number one overall. The Sixers were finally in a position to rebuild following air, and there was no way they were bringing in another head case (or so they thought...). Favors was probably a more realistic option for the Sixers.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2743 » by RSCD3_ » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:06 pm

Hey guys if anyone frequents the draft board, they are have a real gm mock draft.

The sixers are on pick 32 and since there are a lot of second rd picks.

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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2744 » by MRxBLACK » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:21 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Hey guys if anyone frequents the draft board, they are have a real gm mock draft.

The sixers are on pick 32 and since there are a lot of second rd picks.

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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2745 » by Agnostifarian » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:27 pm

MRxBLACK wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:Hey guys if anyone frequents the draft board, they are have a real gm mock draft.

The sixers are on pick 32 and since there are a lot of second rd picks.

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Nicely done, MRxBLACK. We take KJ McDaniels with the 32nd pick. To recap...

MCW
Gary Harris (#10 - MK5 choice)
KJ McDaniels (#32 - MRxBLACK)
Jabari Parker (#3 - FlightBros)
Noel

I'm lobbying for Dinwiddie or Stokes with the next pick
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2746 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:38 pm

Agnostifarian wrote:
MRxBLACK wrote:
RSCD3_ wrote:Hey guys if anyone frequents the draft board, they are have a real gm mock draft.

The sixers are on pick 32 and since there are a lot of second rd picks.

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Nicely done, MRxBLACK. We take KJ McDaniels with the 32nd pick. To recap...

MCW
Gary Harris (#10 - MK5 choice)
KJ McDaniels (#32 - MRxBLACK)
Jabari Parker (#3 - FlightBros)
Noel

I'm lobbying for Dinwiddie or Stokes with the next pick


I'll be pumped with the #3 and #32 picks. I'll be very annoyed with the #10 pick.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2747 » by LloydFree » Mon Jun 2, 2014 5:46 pm

I'll be fit to be tied if they throw that #10 pick away on Gary Harris.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2748 » by CoreyGallagher » Mon Jun 2, 2014 6:09 pm

If we were going to draft Gary Harris at #10 than I'd rather we just package our top picks and move up tbh, that would be such a waste of a pick as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2749 » by cej11 » Mon Jun 2, 2014 7:38 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:If we were going to draft Gary Harris at #10 than I'd rather we just package our top picks and move up tbh, that would be such a waste of a pick as far as I'm concerned.



Would you be ok trading #10 pick to the Knicks for

Bargnani Expiring contract
Hardaway Jr or Shumpert

Knicks have to move either Jr Smith, Shumpert or Hardaway Jr.

I don't want any parts of Jr Smith but I wouldn't mind a package surrounded around Hardaway Jr
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2750 » by OleSchool » Mon Jun 2, 2014 7:51 pm

cej11 wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:If we were going to draft Gary Harris at #10 than I'd rather we just package our top picks and move up tbh, that would be such a waste of a pick as far as I'm concerned.



Would you be ok trading #10 pick to the Knicks for

Bargnani Expiring contract
Hardaway Jr or Shumpert

Knicks have to move either Jr Smith, Shumpert or Hardaway Jr.

I don't want any parts of Jr Smith but I wouldn't mind a package surrounded around Hardaway Jr


No to both, why would we want bags expiring? we aren't even at the cap floor. No reason to create cap space

Hardaway is intriguing but not for the 10th
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2751 » by Agnostifarian » Mon Jun 2, 2014 7:52 pm

I don't like the MCW and Harris vs Exum and Dipo matchup.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2752 » by Hardcore6erFan » Mon Jun 2, 2014 8:14 pm

Why can't the draft be sooner. Ugh
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2753 » by sixers hoops » Mon Jun 2, 2014 9:06 pm

LloydFree wrote:I'll be fit to be tied if they throw that #10 pick away on Gary Harris.


I like Gary Harris. All of the things we HOPE james young, Lavine, and Staukas can do, Harris already does. He can defend, make smart plays, spread the floor.

Staukas has the offense, but can he match Harris' overall contribution.

Lavine has the highest ceiling but quite a gamble.

Of the available wings at 10, at the moment I like:
1) Staukas
2) Harris
3) Lavine
4) Young
5) Hood

Similar to BPA, I would select the most valuable player available. I think if we drafted Parker, I'd like to add a strong defender like Harris. With Wiggins, I'd consider Staukas to spread the floor and take offensive pressure off Wiggins as he develops. If we add Embiid to Noel, I may gamble on the highest upside guy in Lavine since we won't have a premier perimeter player.

Still doing research but i am not too down on Harris.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2754 » by LloydFree » Mon Jun 2, 2014 9:30 pm

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LloydFree wrote:I'll be fit to be tied if they throw that #10 pick away on Gary Harris.


I like Gary Harris. All of the things we HOPE james young, Lavine, and Staukas can do, Harris already does. He can defend, make smart plays, spread the floor.

Similar to BPA, I would select the most valuable player available.

Still doing research but i am not too down on Harris.

He can't make himself 6'6 or have at least average length for an NBA Shooting Guard. Size, speed and strength tends to make a lot of difference in transferring skills from college to pro basketball.

Harris is known as a good defender. There is not one top defending SG, with his size and measurements. Unless Garry Harris learns to play PG, he will be a below average starter in the league.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2755 » by PhilasFinest » Mon Jun 2, 2014 9:45 pm

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LloydFree wrote:I'll be fit to be tied if they throw that #10 pick away on Gary Harris.


I like Gary Harris. All of the things we HOPE james young, Lavine, and Staukas can do, Harris already does. He can defend, make smart plays, spread the floor.

Similar to BPA, I would select the most valuable player available.

Still doing research but i am not too down on Harris.

He can't make himself 6'6 or have at least average length for an NBA Shooting Guard. Size, speed and strength tends to make a lot of difference in transferring skills from college to pro basketball.

Harris is known as a good defender. There is not one top defending SG, with his size and measurements. Unless Garry Harris learns to play PG, he will be a below average starter in the league.


Yea im not high on Harris at all....his lack of length,height,athleticism leave him at a disadvantage imo and theres several other options available that id prefer....hell id rather have KJ McDaniels than Harris.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2756 » by sixers hoops » Tue Jun 3, 2014 1:18 am

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LloydFree wrote:I'll be fit to be tied if they throw that #10 pick away on Gary Harris.


I like Gary Harris. All of the things we HOPE james young, Lavine, and Staukas can do, Harris already does. He can defend, make smart plays, spread the floor.

Similar to BPA, I would select the most valuable player available.

Still doing research but i am not too down on Harris.

He can't make himself 6'6 or have at least average length for an NBA Shooting Guard. Size, speed and strength tends to make a lot of difference in transferring skills from college to pro basketball.

Harris is known as a good defender. There is not one top defending SG, with his size and measurements. Unless Garry Harris learns to play PG, he will be a below average starter in the league.


I think he could be a long-time starter in this league, while Hood, Levine, and Young are more likely than him to go Rodney Carney. Generally, I shoot for the stars and go Levine. In this case, I hope to have some players around Wiggins and Parker who are a little more developed. I think Harris' height will give him some problems, but a big, lengthy point like MCW could help defend players with length.

Eric Snow defended shooting guards for years with good strength and technique. I think the commitment to defense and upper body strength are majors pluses.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2757 » by 51X3RF4N » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:01 am

Hardcore6erFan wrote:Why can't the draft be sooner. Ugh


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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2758 » by Skates » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:21 am

I didn't go back and look to see if anyone commented on this, but was the Wiretap article that the Inky picked up about the Sixers selling second rounders to the Knicks the stupidest thing ever or what? I know that teams can and do buy second rounders, maybe even late firsts in a shallow draft, but the only reason that story got life was Phil Jackson being the one to say it. "Hey, they don't have room on their roster for all of those picks."

Yeah, no shite Phil, I am pretty sure Hinkie knew that when he acquired them, but considering the team has a ways to go before even reaching the salary floor, I am pretty sure Hinkie didn't acquire those picks just so that he could sell them to you for cash, you arrogant bastage. Nice to see Phil get fined for tampering with Derek Fisher already. Looking good in NY as an exec...not, lol.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2759 » by NBA Moses » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:32 am

sixers hoops wrote:
LloydFree wrote:I'll be fit to be tied if they throw that #10 pick away on Gary Harris.


I like Gary Harris. All of the things we HOPE james young, Lavine, and Staukas can do, Harris already does. He can defend, make smart plays, spread the floor.


Hinkie stay away from Gary Harris



The top Shooting guards in the nba are 6'5"-6'7" these days.

Watched Gary Harris all year long and wondered what I was missing ? Never ever saw the hype and definitely not a top 10 pick.


I bookmarked a good article concerning the nba combine. Here is a paragraph on Gary Harris who tested poorly on measurements.


The biggest loser on measurements is Gary Harris. He measured slightly shorter than expected at 6’2.5″ without shoes, 6’4.5″ with shoes, and a 6’6.75 wingspan. But the ugly figure for him is his 8’0″ reach. The only players who measured with worse reach are small PG’s Russ Smith (7’11″), Aaron Craft (7’10.5″), Shabazz Napier (7’9″), and Jahii Carson (7’9″). Bigger PG’s such as Deonte Burton (8’1.5″), Tyler Ennis (8’2″), Elfrid Payton (8’2.5″), Marcus Smart (8’3″), Semaj Christon (8’3″), and Dante Exum (8’7″!!!) comfortably reached higher than him.

Going through DraftExpress’s database, I cannot find an example of a full-time NBA SG who measured this poorly. The worst measurements I can find are Jerryd Bayless and Randy Foye at 8’1″, who are both undersized and horrible defensively.
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Re: 2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#2760 » by Skates » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:51 am

Harris looks more like a nice, solid third guard type, not an NBA starter. 20-25 years ago his size might have been fine as a starting SG, but he is definitely undersized today. I like him in the role player/rotation guy part of the draft after 15-17. I think he will be a decent player, but not a long time starter on a winner.

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