Love in town to "see what it's like"

[ILC]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/tan ... nd-rondo-0

I mean, what's wrong with this guy? Did Rondo do something personally to him?

Come on, when did Doc say "I can't depend on Rondo!"?!

Also, here are some more lines from Ryan, Maxwell, and Tanguay:

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/rya ... ove-boston

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/max ... ed-celtics

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/did ... ove-boston

[Captain_Caveman]

For what it's worth.

Publicly, the Timberwolves are saying they expect Love to be in training camp with the team next fall. But behind the scenes, as one source put it, the Timberwolves are, “paving the way to make something happen sooner rather than later.” Sooner, of course, would be draft night.
The Timberwolves have put out feelers on what possible offers might be on the table for Love on draft night. Despite their public protestations, around the league, front office executives say that the market for Love is open, but the initial asking price is high. While the Timberwolves would expect lottery draft choices in return for Love—including a high pick in this draft—they also want a young player with star potential, according to a source.


“Sources close to the situation tell me that Love if it’s a choice between the Golden State Warriors and the Houston Rockets, would chose the Warriors.”
Love and Stephen Curry would instantly make the most dangerous pick-and-pop combo in the league.

But are the Warriors willing to go all in with some quality players?

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/rep ... kevin-love

Interesting but the warriors or rockets don't have a high draft pick do they? As for the Warriors: One would have to assume Lee would be involved but do the Wolves want Lee and his 30m contract?

Warriors will probably try to dump Lee on Orlando for Afflalo, Jameer and the #12. Maybe have to include Barnes to get them to bite, which is still a longshot. Wolves would then receive Thompson, Nelson, the 12th pick and the Ws 2015. Nelson is only guaranteed for 2m next year, and I think Maxiell could be subbed in for him, as he is non-guaranteed.

I don't really see it, and think we could outbid. Plus, Love would have to want to play with Curry and no Klay. Ws will be hella quiet about this, as it would explode their locker room to have Klay dangling out there in trade so soon after dumping a popular coach in Jackson.

Expect them to come in late with something of this nature, though.

[ILC]

Guy who took pictures of Rondo and Love explains how it all happened.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/ ... -met-rajon

[15th overall]

As a wolves fan, I would like to hear some opinions on Sully and Olynyk, as I don't think I had a chance to catch Boston at all last season.

Both are extremely cerebral players, both sons of coaches and both have their limits athletically but have shown enough to give some juice to the idea that they won't necessarily be held back by this.

Kelly was a Summer League assassin that was frustratingly hesitant for the bulk of his rookie season, but finished the year strong, so there's a lot of optimism around here right now. Obviously his outside shot is his most recognizable attribute, not even gonna spend any time on it, just know it's legit. He's not quick as far as lateral quickness, but he can run end to end pretty fast for a 7-footer, so he makes for a good threat in transition. He's an excellent passer (grew up a PG before a growth spurt), a quick learner and by all accounts, an eager student. Much better rebounder than I expected him to be and while awful defensively, he's shown enough willingness/effort to leave me optimistic he can eventually be a passably bad defender.

Because of Olynyk's strong end to the season, most of the board seems to be favoring him over Sully at the moment.. but IMO Sully has legit star potential, while Kelly's ceiling is more along the lines of an elite role player/legit starter. Sully is an absolute BEAST on the boards, has a bit of a mean streak and isn't afraid of contact. He had some piss poor body language this season, so some may disagree with me here, but I think he's got some serious leadership qualities that could play a big role down the road. He's got some dirty post moves, but in this lost season the Celts had him spending most of the season working on his perimeter game (a work in progress), so that should be taken into account when looking at his numbers.

Both of these guys have some elite skills and really, you should be pretty excited to pair either of them with Dieng. Kelly's the more unique player, but if you want a puncher's chance at one of these guys becoming a star player, your gonna wanna roll with Sully. Only reason I'm more inclined to trade him is he'd be a bit redundant if Love's here, Kelly fits in as a better fit here going forward.


EDIT:
SD is spot on here. Not sure how that slipped my mind, but I'd go as far as to say Kelly's handle, for a 7 footer, is damn close to elite.

[SuperDeluxe]

He's an excellent passer (grew up a PG before a growth spurt)

I would add that Olynyk is also a very good ball handler. Other than that, I agree with your assessment of both guys. It's difficult to tell this early in their careers, especially with Sully (who was asked to do things last season that are not what he's best wired to do), but if I had to choose between the two I'd keep Sully.

[15th overall]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/tanguay-i-dont-know-if-you-can-depend-rondo-0

I mean, what's wrong with this guy? Did Rondo do something personally to him?

Come on, when did Doc said "I can't depend on Rondo!"?!

If you want some insight on the mental stability of Mr. Tanguay, please click this.

[humblebum]

As a wolves fan, I would like to hear some opinions on Sully and Olynyk, as I don't think I had a chance to catch Boston at all last season.

Both are extremely cerebral players, both sons of coaches and both have their limits athletically but have shown enough to give some juice to the idea that they won't necessarily be held back by this.

Kelly was a Summer League assassin that was frustratingly hesitant for the bulk of his rookie season, but finished the year strong, so there's a lot of optimism around here right now. Obviously his outside shot is his most recognizable attribute, not even gonna spend any time on it, just know it's legit. He's not quick as far as lateral quickness, but he can run end to end pretty fast for a 7-footer, so he makes for a good threat in transition. He's an excellent passer (grew up a PG before a growth spurt), a quick learner and by all accounts, an eager student. Much better rebounder than I expected him to be and while awful defensively, he's shown enough willingness/effort to leave me optimistic he can eventually be a passably bad defender.

Because of Olynyk's strong end to the season, most of the board seems to be favoring him over Sully at the moment.. but IMO Sully has legit star potential, while Kelly's ceiling is more along the lines of an elite role player/legit starter. Sully is an absolute BEAST on the boards, has a bit of a mean streak and isn't afraid of contact. He had some piss poor body language this season, so some may disagree with me here, but I think he's got some serious leadership qualities that could play a big role down the road. He's got some dirty post moves, but in this lost season the Celts had him spending most of the season working on his perimeter game (a work in progress), so that should be taken into account when looking at his numbers.

Both of these guys have some elite skills and really, you should be pretty excited to pair either of them with Dieng. Kelly's the more unique player, but if you want a puncher's chance at one of these guys becoming a star player, your gonna wanna roll with Sully. Only reason I'm more inclined to trade him is he'd be a bit redundant if Love's here, Kelly fits in as a better fit here going forward.

This is a strong analysis, kudos.

I just want to question your last point about "fit" moving forward as regards Love-Sullinger vs. Love-Olynyk.

Love is a perimeter assassin. Olynyk is a perimeter player. Both have pretty much the same weaknesses defensively.

Sullinger is an interior player and a banger. I see he and Kevin having more of a potential to be an inside-outside threat whereas there is more duplication of skill between Kelly and Kevin.

Now realistically, both players are bad fits next to Love... I'm just wondering why the perception is that Kelly is the better fit. Is it just because he project to being able to play some Center? Both he and Sullinger would qualify as bad Centers defensively.

[SuperDeluxe]

Now realistically, both players are bad fits next to Love... I'm just wondering why the perception is that Kelly is the better fit. Is it just because he project to being able to play some Center? Both he and Sullinger would qualify as bad Centers defensively.

In terms of fit, Sully would be better... assuming he's fine with making believe he's a center. But let's not forget that Sullinger's dad was told by Celtics brass that his son should be prepared to play PF full time next season, and to that effect they suggested that Sully needed to work on his conditioning. In my mind, and assuming there's a grand plan going on here, next season Sully would be playing full-time PF for a team not named the Celtics. Having been a starter for a while, I'm sure Sully would not appreciate to have to play only 15 mpg behind Love.

[15th overall]

All legit points, humble. You may be right and I could be overvaluing Kelly's size.

Sully and Love just have so much overlap that I figure Kelly's uniqueness would be of better use to us, but that might be underselling Sully's post game.

Agreed that neither are ideal fits with Love. IDK if it'd be better to try and make it work, or ship the leftover player for an upgrade somewhere else, but I'm happy at least one of them will be left out of the trade (an assumption, but a pretty reasonable one).

[ILC]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/tanguay-i-dont-know-if-you-can-depend-rondo-0

I mean, what's wrong with this guy? Did Rondo do something personally to him?

Come on, when did Doc said "I can't depend on Rondo!"?!

If you want some insight on the mental stability of Mr. Tanguay, please click this.

Oh my dear God.

[humblebum]

Agreed, Superdeluxe... it's hard to imagine Sullinger being happy about moving to the bench and having to play minutes out of position.

If Olynyk is moved in the Love deal, I can't help but think that Sullinger becomes the piece that then gets packaged with #17 pick to move up to get a Nik Stauskus in the late lottery.

Something like Sullinger, Joel Anthony and the 17th pick for an 8-12 pick and a vet roleplayer. Not sure if there is a deal to be made like this but I think that would be a better route to go than trying to make square pegs fit that round hole next to Love.

[darrendaye]

Now realistically, both players are bad fits next to Love... I'm just wondering why the perception is that Kelly is the better fit. Is it just because he project to being able to play some Center? Both he and Sullinger would qualify as bad Centers defensively.

For me, it's the ballhandling and activity level/movement that makes Olynyk the better fit. While improved conditioning and experience with shooting 3's and also pump and drive attempts will help Sullinger greatly expand his offensive playbook and impact, Kelly is there already.

I thought that they turned down quite a few post up opportunities for Olynyk last year. He would frequently position himself early on the low box when the ball was brought upcourt, but rarely did Crawford and Co. throw the pass down. Sullinger can handle the banging better and will always be the better rebounder with those mitts. But Olynyk has great touch down low. That can be used either as a plain vanilla post up on the box, or off-ball cuts and as the roller. If Olynyk ultimately cannot achieve great success using the former (with added bulk), he surely has the skills to flourish with the movement options of the latter.

If I want someone coming off the bench to give me a Love-like affect for my 2nd unit, Sullinger is more closely the guy. But as a compliment, I do see Olynyk as the more natural supplimentary player.

[humblebum]

Now realistically, both players are bad fits next to Love... I'm just wondering why the perception is that Kelly is the better fit. Is it just because he project to being able to play some Center? Both he and Sullinger would qualify as bad Centers defensively.

For me, it's the ballhandling and activity level/movement that makes Olynyk the better fit. While improved conditioning and experience with shooting 3's and also pump and drive attempts will help Sullinger greatly expand his offensive playbook and impact, Kelly is there already.

I thought that they turned down quite a few post up opportunities for Olynyk last year. He would frequently position himself early on the low box when the ball was brought upcourt, but rarely did Crawford and Co. throw the pass down. Sullinger can handle the banging better and will always be the better rebounder with those mitts. But Olynyk has great touch down low. That can be used either as a plain vanilla post up on the box, or off-ball cuts and as the roller. If Olynyk ultimately cannot achieve great success using the former (with added bulk), he surely has the skills to flourish with the movement options of the latter.

If I want someone coming off the bench to give me a Love-like affect for my 2nd unit, Sullinger is more closely the guy. But as a compliment, I do see Olynyk as the more natural supplimentary player.

Watching Kelly operate from the low block was painful to watch. For a guy who looks relatively fluid facing up his back to the basket game was like watching a man struggle to survive in quick sand.

But I guess I agree that Olynyk has the type of "off ball" game that lends itself to playing a complementary role.

[DarkAzcura]

Now realistically, both players are bad fits next to Love... I'm just wondering why the perception is that Kelly is the better fit. Is it just because he project to being able to play some Center? Both he and Sullinger would qualify as bad Centers defensively.

For me, it's the ballhandling and activity level/movement that makes Olynyk the better fit. While improved conditioning and experience with shooting 3's and also pump and drive attempts will help Sullinger greatly expand his offensive playbook and impact, Kelly is there already.

I thought that they turned down quite a few post up opportunities for Olynyk last year. He would frequently position himself early on the low box when the ball was brought upcourt, but rarely did Crawford and Co. throw the pass down. Sullinger can handle the banging better and will always be the better rebounder with those mitts. But Olynyk has great touch down low. That can be used either as a plain vanilla post up on the box, or off-ball cuts and as the roller. If Olynyk ultimately cannot achieve great success using the former (with added bulk), he surely has the skills to flourish with the movement options of the latter.

If I want someone coming off the bench to give me a Love-like affect for my 2nd unit, Sullinger is more closely the guy. But as a compliment, I do see Olynyk as the more natural supplimentary player.

Watching Kelly operate from the low block was painful to watch. For a guy who looks relatively fluid facing up his back to the basket game was like watching a man struggle to survive in quick sand.

But I guess I agree that Olynyk has the type of "off ball" game that lends itself to playing a complementary role.

Hmm, I'm not sure I totally agree that Olynyk was that bad in the post. He lacked strength. What I saw in the summer league against weaker players was enough for me to believe he knew how to play the post quite well. He needs to build his strength, though, which remains to be seen...so I guess he may never adapt. Time will tell.

My opinion, but I'd rather keep KO. He's not a dealbreaker, though, I wonder if Ainge would hesitant at all if Minnesota wanted both.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I would definitely keep KO unless Minny or whoever really want him as part of the deal. He just makes things happen out there and I'd much rather have him on his deal than some garbage man. He could impact the game as a backup 4/5 type of 6th man role with 24-27 MPG spreading the floor, slashing and dishing, or going for easy ones in transition, pick and pop, endless options with KO

[pfm]

KO has great moves in the post. We saw it on display in Summer League. The issue he had during the regular season was strength. We continually got pushed way off his spot and got bullied around so he couldn't get into the his moves the way he would have liked to. If he improves his strength, which we hope/think he should, his post game will improve as well.

[MaxwellSmart]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/tanguay-i-dont-know-if-you-can-depend-rondo-0

I mean, what's wrong with this guy? Did Rondo do something personally to him?

Come on, when did Doc said "I can't depend on Rondo!"?!

If you want some insight on the mental stability of Mr. Tanguay, please click this.

Oh my dear God.

Gary Tanguay fancies himself as a Hollywood Screenwriter...I think he's done research on what it takes to be famous--and he's going the route of Jim Rome type a-holes...that is: Shock Value Sells. I've seen this slow transformation in him the past few years...He's trying to make a name for himself, to set up a bigger payday.

His "opinions" on Celtics things lately have been annoying as hell.

[mwhis21]

If you want some insight on the mental stability of Mr. Tanguay, please click this.

Oh my dear God.

Gary Tanguay fancies himself as a Hollywood Screenwriter...I think he's done research on what it takes to be famous--and he's going the route of Jim Rome type a-holes...that is: Shock Value Sells. I've seen this slow transformation in him the past few years...He's trying to make a name for himself, to set up a bigger payday.

His "opinions" on Celtics things lately have been annoying as hell.

And since that transition he's brought absolutely nothing tangible to the table--it would be one thing if he fundamentally knew the game of basketball, but he doesn't. He's Mr. High Level. He'll only talk basketball at a high level because he knows that if he drills down on any particular subject he's going to expose himself.

Do you think we have enough cache on this board to start a Fire Gary Tanguay movement? The best consolation prize for not winning the NBA championship would be to see his arrogant, hipster wanna be ass humbled.

[Celts17Pride]

I would definitely keep KO unless Minny or whoever really want him as part of the deal. He just makes things happen out there and I'd much rather have him on his deal than some garbage man. He could impact the game as a backup 4/5 type of 6th man role with 24-27 MPG spreading the floor, slashing and dishing, or going for easy ones in transition, pick and pop, endless options with KO

I agree but my guess is Minny is going to want KO instead of Sully because Flip S. was interested in drafting KO last year. Just a guess.

[shawn unkempt]

I swear they had to take Tanguay out of the studio because of Tommy. You could actually see the man needing to hold back some haymakers he was dying to unleash on that pricks face. The commercial breaks were probably pure chaos.