OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

mrknowitall215 · Post #941 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 7:52 pm

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MKG received 3 second-team votes, and Kemba received 2 second-team votes

mrknowitall215 · Post #942 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jun 3, 2014 10:09 pm

I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

Liver_Pooty · Post #943 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jun 3, 2014 11:23 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

Leonard is more skilled right now by a good margin. Hes also a few years older though, so MKG wil cut into that or surpass him over time

LamarMatic7 · Post #944 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:35 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

countryboi · Post #945 » by **countryboi** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:48 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

I think Kawhi is pretty overrated and is never going to be much better than he is now. I don't see him ever taking over that team.

Liver_Pooty · Post #946 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:50 am

countryboi wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

I think Kawhi is pretty overrated and is never going to be much better than he is now. I don't see him ever taking over that team.

I think hes going to be an all star, perhaps as soon as next season. Im a big fan.

catch20two · Post #947 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:57 am

Kawhi is a good player but he'll max out as a 3rd option on a great team, a 2nd option on a average to bad team, or a 1st option on one of the worst teams in the league. He ain't about that life. He tried hard as sh*t to be a scorer in that Thunder series but it's just not in him to score a lot of points. I think he averaged 11 or 12 points in that series on low efficiency from my eye test.

Post #948 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:10 am

Kawhi is also over two years older than MKG. I think MKG has shown excellent court awareness, slashing ability and ability to finish at the rim. He finds just a decent mid range game and all of the sudden he is an All-Star.

Liver_Pooty · Post #949 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:13 am

yosemiteben wrote:Kawhi is also over two years older than MKG. I think MKG has shown excellent court awareness, slashing ability and ability to finish at the rim. He finds just a decent mid range game and all of the sudden he is an All-Star.

Not yet, but I think he will be

mrknowitall215 · Post #950 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:26 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

There's no way you could tell me that Kawhi Leonard wasn't 'trying' to score against the Thunder in that last series. He's just not a capable & dependable scorer, and may never be. Of course Leonard's offensive game is more fine tuned than MKG's and he has a better jump shot, but he's definitely not leaps and bounds better than MKG, not at all. They are almost on the same tier. Put MKG on the Spurs and give him a consistent 30 minutes a night and he'd average at least 10 points too

LamarMatic7 · Post #951 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:25 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

There's no way you could tell me that Kawhi Leonard wasn't 'trying' to score against the Thunder in that last series. He's just not a capable & dependable scorer, and may never be. Of course Leonard's offensive game is more fine tuned than MKG's and he has a better jump shot, but he's definitely not leaps and bounds better than MKG, not at all. They are almost on the same tier. Put MKG on the Spurs and give him a consistent 30 minutes a night and he'd average at least 10 points too

Put MKG on the Spurs and they wouldn't give him a consistent 15 minutes a night.

As for their offensive games I just can't agree with your statement that they are almost on the same tier. Kawhi is way more dependable and skilled.

Liver_Pooty · Post #952 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:37 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

There's no way you could tell me that Kawhi Leonard wasn't 'trying' to score against the Thunder in that last series. He's just not a capable & dependable scorer, and may never be. Of course Leonard's offensive game is more fine tuned than MKG's and he has a better jump shot, but he's definitely not leaps and bounds better than MKG, not at all. They are almost on the same tier. Put MKG on the Spurs and give him a consistent 30 minutes a night and he'd average at least 10 points too

Put MKG on the Spurs and they wouldn't give him a consistent 15 minutes a night.

As for their offensive games I just can't agree with your statement that they are almost on the same tier. Kawhi is way more dependable and skilled.

Go ahead and repost that video (was it against the Spurs? My memory is terrible) Where that team leaves MKG completely alone, no one near 15 feet of him on the offensive end. No way in hell Popovich lets him play anywhere near 20 minutes a game.

mrknowitall215 · Post #953 » by **mrknowitall215** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:41 am

It's difficult to debate in MKG's favor when he began to lack confidence on top of being misused, so 'LamarMatic7' is right, but I have faith that he'll put it together, and when/if he does he will be a much better player than Kawhi Leonard

LamarMatic7 · Post #954 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:32 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
There's no way you could tell me that Kawhi Leonard wasn't 'trying' to score against the Thunder in that last series. He's just not a capable & dependable scorer, and may never be. Of course Leonard's offensive game is more fine tuned than MKG's and he has a better jump shot, but he's definitely not leaps and bounds better than MKG, not at all. They are almost on the same tier. Put MKG on the Spurs and give him a consistent 30 minutes a night and he'd average at least 10 points too

Put MKG on the Spurs and they wouldn't give him a consistent 15 minutes a night.

As for their offensive games I just can't agree with your statement that they are almost on the same tier. Kawhi is way more dependable and skilled.

Go ahead and repost that video (was it against the Spurs? My memory is terrible) Where that team leaves MKG completely alone, no one near 15 feet of him on the offensive end. No way in hell Popovich lets him play anywhere near 20 minutes a game.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JJJPkl9QBA[/youtube]

Liver_Pooty · Post #955 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:33 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
Put MKG on the Spurs and they wouldn't give him a consistent 15 minutes a night.

As for their offensive games I just can't agree with your statement that they are almost on the same tier. Kawhi is way more dependable and skilled.

Go ahead and repost that video (was it against the Spurs? My memory is terrible) Where that team leaves MKG completely alone, no one near 15 feet of him on the offensive end. No way in hell Popovich lets him play anywhere near 20 minutes a game.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JJJPkl9QBA[/youtube]

Thanks. Leonard is way above MKG offensively right now. People can look at per 36 stats all they want, but its really not even close.

LamarMatic7 · Post #956 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:44 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:It's difficult to debate in MKG's favor when he began to lack confidence on top of being misused, so 'LamarMatic7' is right, but I have faith that he'll put it together, and when/if he does he will be a much better player than Kawhi Leonard

It isn't in my ability to be able to compare their potential ceiling. All I can say is that I'm high on Kawhi and I like the way he plays. I'm not sure about him becoming an all-star (as his biggest believers tend to say) but so far he's come along nicely so who knows when will he stop progressing.

For one, he has quite improved his shooting. You might remember that when he was drafted his jumpshot was as questionable as MKG's (and that's not to compare the two and knock on MKG. we'll see how the Price experiment works out, however, the difference between Chip Engelland and whatever Dunlap had MKG doing last year should be vast). Now not only Kawhi is comfortable with corner threes (a must if you play for the Spurs) but as I said before he can make mid-range jumpers out of post-ups or drives. I actually surprised myself when I just looked up his stats on pull-ups, via the SportsVU cameras, to try and support my claims with some data. Leonard is in the top20 in field goal percentage on pull-up shots (jumpers outside of 10 feet where the player took more than one dribble before it). And it's not a tiny sample size either. He takes 2.6 of them per game. That's more than the renowned leader in this category (percentage wise), Courtney Lee, attempts.

They_Them_Hatin · Post #957 » by **They_Them_Hatin** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 1:54 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

Why I love Pop and the Spurs they develop their talent . He gives everybody minutes which builds their confidence. Having one of the greatest coaches ever believing in you when most people think you are a scrub is a confidence booster. I don't think MKG will ever live up to his potential with a coach from the Van Gundy school of hating rookies/.young players.

Liver_Pooty · Post #958 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:00 am

ntsap wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I notice a lot of people like to try to slander MKG about his offense, but the only difference between him and his defensive-minded peers like Kawhi Leonard & Jimmy Butler offensively is minutes and maybe under 1 single 3-pointer made per game. Don't believe me, check the stats

It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

Why I love Pop and the Spurs they develop their talent . He gives everybody minutes which builds their confidence. Having one of the greatest coaches ever believing in you when most people think you are a scrub is a confidence booster. I don't think MKG will ever live up to his potential with a coach from the Van Gundy school of hating rookies/.young players.

MKG got 26 minutes a game under Dunlap his rookie year which is more than Leonard got, and 24 minutes a game this season under Clifford. Leonard averaged 29 a game this season.

Minutes played is definitely not why MKG hasn't developed offensively. Kid can't shoot.

ball teacher · Post #959 » by **ball teacher** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 3:49 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
ntsap wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:It isn't really something you can check by taking look at the stats. If you watch Kawhi play, you can see that he's actually way ahead Butler and MKG on offense. Pop is bringing him up slowly and he doesn't have that much responsibility on offense from day to day. But when it's a game that the Big Three is sitting out or a several minute stretch where they need him to step up he's ready to do that. Butler and MKG can't make such jumpers off the dribble in their dreams.

Why I love Pop and the Spurs they develop their talent . He gives everybody minutes which builds their confidence. Having one of the greatest coaches ever believing in you when most people think you are a scrub is a confidence booster. I don't think MKG will ever live up to his potential with a coach from the Van Gundy school of hating rookies/.young players.

MKG got 26 minutes a game under Dunlap his rookie year which is more than Leonard got, and 24 minutes a game this season under Clifford. Leonard averaged 29 a game this season.

Minutes played is definitely not why MKG hasn't developed offensively. Kid can't shoot.

MKG is a ball player. He will blossom but I dont think it'll be with Clifford as his coach and with this system. He's not a jump shooter and that's what Cliff wants. And if Pop had MKG you can bet he'd do everything Leonard does and more. Pop knows how to develop his players, you wont see MKG shooting that broke jumper that our coaches are partly responsible for. Who the heck needs a whole year to teach someone how to shoot anyways? MKG will be fine, he hasnt scratched the surface of what type of player he will be.

Liver_Pooty · Post #960 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 6, 2014 3:50 am

ball teacher wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
ntsap wrote:Why I love Pop and the Spurs they develop their talent . He gives everybody minutes which builds their confidence. Having one of the greatest coaches ever believing in you when most people think you are a scrub is a confidence booster. I don't think MKG will ever live up to his potential with a coach from the Van Gundy school of hating rookies/.young players.

MKG got 26 minutes a game under Dunlap his rookie year which is more than Leonard got, and 24 minutes a game this season under Clifford. Leonard averaged 29 a game this season.

Minutes played is definitely not why MKG hasn't developed offensively. Kid can't shoot.

MKG is a ball player. He will blossom but I dont think it'll be with Clifford as his coach and with this system. He's not a jump shooter and that's what Cliff wants. And if Pop had MKG you can bet he'd do everything Leonard does and more. Pop knows how to develop his players, you wont see MKG shooting that broke jumper that our coaches are partly responsible for. Who the heck needs a whole year to teach someone how to shoot anyways? MKG will be fine, he hasnt scratched the surface of what type of player he will be.

MKG has plenty of potential, but when you shoot the way that he shoots your entire life it takes a long time to break that. Its more mental than anything.