Future draft classes

[ManualRam]

so today marks the end of the early aau sessions. all the circuits' sessions are over and all that is left for aau are the july tourneys.

my personal rankings in terms of pro potential for 2015 from i've seen and gathered:

1. ivan rabb
2. ben simmons
3. malik newman
4. diamond stone
5. jaylen brown
6. stephen zimmerman
7. cheick diallo
8. chase jeter

finally caught some updated footage of Chase Jeter. kid looks pretty damn legit, love the dropstep and the ball fake he uses. Appears to play with high offensive intelligence. good post patience and looks like he knows how to carve out space. granted he's bigger than those opposing him so i'd like to see him against someone his own size. he looked decent against Rabb but i wouldn't put too many against Ivan and expect them to have the upperhand.

Maybe i need to see more but what gives a guy like Stone the edge over Jeter?

mass and a slightly more developed jumper. diamond is killing it too this aau season.

have you gotten a chance to check out jaylen brown?

[Marcus]

so today marks the end of the early aau sessions. all the circuits' sessions are over and all that is left for aau are the july tourneys.

my personal rankings in terms of pro potential for 2015 from i've seen and gathered:

1. ivan rabb
2. ben simmons
3. malik newman
4. diamond stone
5. jaylen brown
6. stephen zimmerman
7. cheick diallo
8. chase jeter

finally caught some updated footage of Chase Jeter. kid looks pretty damn legit, love the dropstep and the ball fake he uses. Appears to play with high offensive intelligence. good post patience and looks like he knows how to carve out space. granted he's bigger than those opposing him so i'd like to see him against someone his own size. he looked decent against Rabb but i wouldn't put too many against Ivan and expect them to have the upperhand.

Maybe i need to see more but what gives a guy like Stone the edge over Jeter?

mass and a slightly more developed jumper. diamond is killing it too this aau season.

have you gotten a chance to check out jaylen brown?

nothing recent. just write ups about his progress here and there. i keep reading Stanley Johnson as the comp. That accurate?

I'll do some research on him and Diamond. What i saw from Stone was a huge kid that was just bigger than everybody else so it came off easier for him. Didn't see a ton of skill, something like what Jahlil would be without the post game. I keep reading a KLove comparison though so I really need to see this new Stone. His mass the reason you give him the edge over Zimmerman as well?

[ManualRam]

finally caught some updated footage of Chase Jeter. kid looks pretty damn legit, love the dropstep and the ball fake he uses. Appears to play with high offensive intelligence. good post patience and looks like he knows how to carve out space. granted he's bigger than those opposing him so i'd like to see him against someone his own size. he looked decent against Rabb but i wouldn't put too many against Ivan and expect them to have the upperhand.

Maybe i need to see more but what gives a guy like Stone the edge over Jeter?

mass and a slightly more developed jumper. diamond is killing it too this aau season.

have you gotten a chance to check out jaylen brown?

nothing recent. just write ups about his progress here and there. i keep reading Stanley Johnson as the comp. That accurate?

I'll do some research on him and Diamond. What i saw from Stone was a huge kid that was just bigger than everybody else so it came off easier for him. Didn't see a ton of skill, something like what Jahlil would be without the post game. I keep reading a KLove comparison though so I really need to see this new Stone. His mass the reason you give him the edge over Zimmerman as well?

eh, i think he and stanley just look alike. jaylen's longer, could be taller and even more impressive vertically. strong, but not as stocky of a build. higher release point on his jumper too.

diamond is very skilled. not quite okafor, but that type of player. he's big, not as big or dominant in the post as okafor, but i think his face up game and jumper are more advanced.

yeah, stone's stronger, more aggressive and physically imposing than zimmerman. zimmerman's smart, skilled and let's the game come to him, but i think sometimes he does that to a fault.

[Marcus]

eh, i think he and stanley just look alike. jaylen's longer, could be taller and even more impressive vertically. strong, but not as stocky of a build. higher release point on his jumper too.

diamond is very skilled. not quite okafor, but that type of player. he's big, not as big or dominant in the post as okafor, but i think his face up game and jumper are more advanced.

yeah, stone's stronger, more aggressive and physically imposing than zimmerman. zimmerman's smart, skilled and let's the game come to him, but i think sometimes he does that to a fault.

Seems like Zim is regressing more and more or just the other bigs in his class are getting better and better. What are your thoughts on Alonzo Trier? Gunner? solid player? good outlook? on the same level as a Malik Monk or Newman?

[reanimator]

I thought of James Harden when I first saw Trier but went and watched HS Harden again and thats ridiculous. Trier has a great pull-up game and is as shifty ball-handler but isn't very explosive, I prefer Antonio Blakeny in the same class. Definitely below Monk and Newman. Dude is also old for his class and I don't see much more room to grow physically.

[ManualRam]

eh, i think he and stanley just look alike. jaylen's longer, could be taller and even more impressive vertically. strong, but not as stocky of a build. higher release point on his jumper too.

diamond is very skilled. not quite okafor, but that type of player. he's big, not as big or dominant in the post as okafor, but i think his face up game and jumper are more advanced.

yeah, stone's stronger, more aggressive and physically imposing than zimmerman. zimmerman's smart, skilled and let's the game come to him, but i think sometimes he does that to a fault.

Seems like Zim is regressing more and more or just the other bigs in his class are getting better and better. What are your thoughts on Alonzo Trier? Gunner? solid player? good outlook? on the same level as a Malik Monk or Newman?

i think it's the latter. it could be that zim plays a better organized game than an aau type setting. he tries to move the ball and pick his spots, but i think he's being too selective.

i haven't seen enough of trier.

[CaliBullsFan]

To me the best prospects in thge 14 & 15 classes combined are

1.Rabb
2.Okafor
3.Newman
4.Diallo
5.Diamond
6.Stanley
7.Whitehead(super underrated)
8.Mundiay
9.Turner
10.Zimmerman

My sleeper is Rex Pflueger

[Marcus]

To me the best prospects in thge 14 & 15 classes combined are

1.Rabb
2.Okafor
3.Newman
4.Diallo
5.Diamond
6.Stanley
7.Whitehead(super underrated)
8.Mundiay
9.Turner
10.Zimmerman

My sleeper is Rex Pflueger

Mudiay seems a little low on that list. What makes Newman a better prospect than Manny?

[immortalone23]

I like Seventh Woods out of South Carolina '16. He has potential. He's very similar to Demar Derozan

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[CaliBullsFan]

To me the best prospects in thge 14 & 15 classes combined are

1.Rabb
2.Okafor
3.Newman
4.Diallo
5.Diamond
6.Stanley
7.Whitehead(super underrated)
8.Mundiay
9.Turner
10.Zimmerman

My sleeper is Rex Pflueger

Mudiay seems a little low on that list. What makes Newman a better prospect than Manny?

Newman to me looks like he's faster and a better ball handler

[ManualRam]

I like Seventh Woods out of South Carolina '16. He has potential. He's very similar to Demar Derozan

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explain the derozan comparison because...wtf

[immortalone23]

I like Seventh Woods out of South Carolina '16. He has potential. He's very similar to Demar Derozan

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explain the derozan comparison because...wtf

I got wisdom teeth removed so I'm kinda loopy lol

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[EricAnderson]

Has anyone sene Juwan Durham? i hear his real raw but could make a Turner like jump by his senior year if he gets consistent

[Marcus]

thon maker

The more i see Thon, the more i see the post game and its pleasing to watch even though its backwards development. But its still good somebody put that kid on the block and showed him some finesse back to the back.

[ManualRam]

thon maker

The more i see Thon, the more i see the post game and its pleasing to watch even though its backwards development. But its still good somebody put that kid on the block and showed him some finesse back to the back.

good. he'll need that. not necessarily on the low block because i think he'll get rooted out there, but he has to at least have some mid-post stuff in his game. also, playing on the block will help him process the game and learn to be strong with the ball. i think some bigs gravitate towards the perimeter because it's easier. it's a lot tougher playing in areas on the floor where there's more congestion because you have to make quicker, smarter decisions against collapsing defenses.

it's better late than never, he'll have to learn quickly if he follows up on the rumored plan to reclassify. i can't imagine his college coach would have him playing almost exclusively in space on offense.

[ManualRam]

espn's new post-early eval period 2015 rankings are out.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... order/true


biggest surprise to me is henry ellenson in their top 5 now. skill-wise he's really good, especially for his size, but i think he gets too much credit for being a big guy who shows perimeter shooting skill. maybe i just caught him on a bad game but i wasn't all that impressed. he looked kinda soft and settled for a lot of tough jumpers. i saw a kid who took perimeter shots because he could, not because they were particularly good shots. defensively he was nothing of note either.

i'll have to try to catch him again. he's good and skilled, but not better than a few of the bigs that he leapfrogged imo.

[mattg]

espn's new post-early eval period 2015 rankings are out.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/baske ... order/true


biggest surprise to me is henry ellenson in their top 5 now. skill-wise he's really good, especially for his size, but i think he gets too much credit for being a big guy who shows perimeter shooting skill. maybe i just caught him on a bad game but i wasn't all that impressed. he looked kinda soft and settled for a lot of tough jumpers. i saw a kid who took perimeter shots because he could, not because they were particularly good shots. defensively he was nothing of note either.

i'll have to try to catch him again. he's good and skilled, but not better than a few of the bigs that he leapfrogged imo.

Was going to ask you if you'd caught any of him this AAU season, I haven't seen him since wisconsin state tournament last march. You hit the nail on the head, he's really skilled and has size but I haven't seen enough of him to get a good read on his future potential. The badgers seem pretty confident they'll get him and it seems like a good fit though ellenson's family is pretty crazy so anything could happen in terms of where he commits to.

[skiz2]

one pg that i really like for next yr's draft is rysheed jordan out of st john's. his statistical profile isn't much to look at as he had a slow start, sharing the backcourt with more experienced guards, but physically he has all the tools. he's got the size, strength, length to go along with creative ball-handling, great footwork, ability to play through contact, playmaking and defensive potential. i think he has lotto potential and could challenge tyus for that 2nd pg in the draft spot. long term, i like him more than ennis.

2017 being considered a freak class

Where would you rank these players amongst each other and their long term outlook

Seventh Woods
Jayson Tatum
VJ King
Dennis Smith Jr.
Thon Maker
Josh Jackson

so i got e-mailed some footage of dennis smith from adidas gauntlet... and um, wow.
i might get into more detail later, but initial impression is really, really good, like in the mix for top 5 in his class good.

he's much better than seventh woods is right now, who played in another event this past w/e and supposedly looked passive and mediocre overall despite his athleticism. that's kinda how i described him after seeing him last summer for team usa. i think he's trying too hard to be a "pure pg."

The Woods vs. Smith debate is going to be a heated debate. I would not say he is much better, considering that the last time they went head to head Woods dropped 42 points on him, Smith had 23. Smith's HS team is much more talented and beat Woods' team handily.

I wish they were playing on the same circuit to see how they compare. I would give Smith the nod right now as he is more of a pure PG, but Woods has a better frame to put on muscle and IMHO has a higher upside. The 2016 class is loaded.

I'd rank my top 10 (in terms of 10 years from now who are the best from this class).

1. Harry Giles (if he gets back to full strength from his knee injury, watch out. He is Anthony Davis without the defensive impact)
2. Jayson Tatum (I flip back on forth with him and Jackson. Jackson is a better scorer, but Tatum can be a freak 6'10" guy when it's over with PG skills.)
3. Josh Jackson (has the potential to be a superscorer and a 20+ ppg guy the moment he steps on a college campus)
4. Thon Maker (not as high on him as others. Obviously ceiling is through the roof.)
5. Seventh Woods
6. Dennis Smith
7. VJ King
8. Malik Monk
9. Tyus Battle
10. Dedric Lawson

[skiz2]

To me the best prospects in thge 14 & 15 classes combined are

1.Rabb
2.Okafor
3.Newman
4.Diallo
5.Diamond
6.Stanley
7.Whitehead(super underrated)
8.Mundiay
9.Turner
10.Zimmerman

My sleeper is Rex Pflueger

Mudiay does have some shortcomings that disturb me. (Mainly his 14% from 3 in the EYBL last summer), but his physical gifts are special and he can be super special. That being said I would put him either 2 or 3.

What is your rationale for Whitehead? I am interested.

[Marcus]

7. VJ King

Is there something with VJ im missing? because i don't quite see what all the hype surrounding him is.

Also with Tatum i love the skillset but is he hampered by an injury of some sort or does he just lack explosion and burst? I ask about an injury because i noticed the brace/pad on one knee and not the other and his movements seem labored.