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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#221 » by catch20two » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:35 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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MasterIchiro wrote:What would you package with Al Jefferson for the #1 pick?


Hornets get: #1 and Dion Waiters

Cavs get: Al Jefferson, #24, and #45. They can even have Zeller if they want so he can come off the bench as dual PF/C with his big brother

Use #1 on Jabari Parker to play small ball PF

Use #9 on James Young or Zach Lavine for upside

Bring Waiters off the bench as a combo guard

Re-sign McBob and CDR

Sign Spencer Hawes to backup Biz

Sign Jeff "Rocky" Adrien again

Kemba/Waiters
Hendo/Young or Lavine
MKG/CDR
Parker/McBob/Adrien
Biz/Hawes/Adrien

Then Cho would have his OKC model


Yeah, doubt Cleveland would do that.

I'm not even sure if we would do that. I would only do it for Jabari. I wouldn't trade that for Wiggins or Embiid so we can stink into the next decade.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#222 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:35 am

catch20two wrote:
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Hornets get: #1 and Dion Waiters

Cavs get: Al Jefferson, #24, and #45. They can even have Zeller if they want so he can come off the bench as dual PF/C with his big brother

Use #1 on Jabari Parker to play small ball PF

Use #9 on James Young or Zach Lavine for upside

Bring Waiters off the bench as a combo guard

Re-sign McBob and CDR

Sign Spencer Hawes to backup Biz

Sign Jeff "Rocky" Adrien again

Kemba/Waiters
Hendo/Young or Lavine
MKG/CDR
Parker/McBob/Adrien
Biz/Hawes/Adrien

Then Cho would have his OKC model


Yeah, doubt Cleveland would do that.

I'm not even sure if we would do that. I would only do it for Jabari. I wouldn't trade that for Wiggins or Embiid so we can stink into the next decade.

I would do that in a nanosecond, but it would be tough.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#223 » by catch20two » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:41 am

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Yeah, doubt Cleveland would do that.

I'm not even sure if we would do that. I would only do it for Jabari. I wouldn't trade that for Wiggins or Embiid so we can stink into the next decade.

I would do that in a nanosecond, but it would be tough.

I probably would too because I think Jabari is gonna be one of my favorite players for years to come.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#224 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:42 am

I guess I would trade Al Jefferson + MKG + pick 9 for Jabari Parker + Dion Waiters + Varejao. I would sign Greg Monroe + Shaun Livingston

PG-Kemba Walker/Livingston/Waiters
SG-Shaun Livingston/Waiters
SF-Jabari Parker/Henderson
PF-Cody Zeller/McRoberts/Parker
C-Greg Monroe/Biyombo/Varejao

I don't know if that's better than the team with Al + pick 9 but at least we'd have Jabari Parker as a potential franchise star player to build around long term as opposed to Al for just 2 more years.

Livingston is an upgrade to Henderson at SG
Waiters is an upgrade over Gary Neal for 6th man
Jabari Parker is an upgrade over MKG at SF

Monroe is a big downgrade from Al Jefferson
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#225 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:43 am

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catch20two wrote:I'm not even sure if we would do that. I would only do it for Jabari. I wouldn't trade that for Wiggins or Embiid so we can stink into the next decade.

I would do that in a nanosecond, but it would be tough.

I probably would too because I think Jabari is gonna be one of my favorite players for years to come.


Parker has allegedly lost some weight and chiseled up his body after getting rid of some of that baby fat.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#226 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:44 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I guess I would trade Al Jefferson + MKG + pick 9 for Jabari Parker + Dion Waiters + Varejao. I would sign Greg Monroe + Shaun Livingston

PG-Kemba Walker/Livingston/Waiters
SG-Shaun Livingston/Waiters
SF-Jabari Parker/Henderson
PF-Cody Zeller/McRoberts/Parker
C-Greg Monroe/Biyombo/Varejao

I don't know if that's better than the team with Al + pick 9 but at least we'd have Jabari Parker as a potential franchise star player to build around long term as opposed to Al for just 2 more years.

Livingston is an upgrade to Henderson at SG
Waiters is an upgrade over Gary Neal for 6th man
Jabari Parker is an upgrade over MKG at SF

Monroe is a big downgrade from Al Jefferson


I wouldn't include MKG. We would need him on defense with that lineup.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#227 » by catch20two » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:46 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:I would do that in a nanosecond, but it would be tough.

I probably would too because I think Jabari is gonna be one of my favorite players for years to come.


Parker has allegedly lost some weight and chiseled up his body after getting rid of some of that baby fat.

I watched his workout video and it was like graceful poetry in motion compared to the other players workout videos I've seen. He's gonna be a star as long as he don't end up with the Cavs.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#228 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:53 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I guess I would trade Al Jefferson + MKG + pick 9 for Jabari Parker + Dion Waiters + Varejao. I would sign Greg Monroe + Shaun Livingston

PG-Kemba Walker/Livingston/Waiters
SG-Shaun Livingston/Waiters
SF-Jabari Parker/Henderson
PF-Cody Zeller/McRoberts/Parker
C-Greg Monroe/Biyombo/Varejao

I don't know if that's better than the team with Al + pick 9 but at least we'd have Jabari Parker as a potential franchise star player to build around long term as opposed to Al for just 2 more years.

Livingston is an upgrade to Henderson at SG
Waiters is an upgrade over Gary Neal for 6th man
Jabari Parker is an upgrade over MKG at SF

Monroe is a big downgrade from Al Jefferson


I wouldn't include MKG. We would need him on defense with that lineup.


Well I prefer Parker at SF and I won't put him at PF.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#229 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:55 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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MasterIchiro wrote:The Cavs want to trade for an All-Star big and the names mentioned here are Aldridge, Noah, Love and Horford, the usual suspects.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ge-Horford

But what about Al Jefferson?

After all, didn't signing him block us from drafting in the top 3 and getting our superstar to build around long term?

What would you package with Al Jefferson for the #1 pick?

I would have to consider something around taking back Varejo and Jack plus the #1 for Big Al. If they want to win now it could give them the piece they need. We could fill our need for SG and a Big with the 1 and 9. We would have a good defensive center and a backup PG with some size.

I don't know at this point if I would want to do it but if they called me up and offered I would definitely consider it. It would be a different approach to branding the Hornets. Add two good names this year in the draft and spend our FA money smart and we could be just as good. If we got out and ran this team could finish close to where we were last season.


I wish. Draft Embiid first overall then package 9,24,and whomever for a real solid veteran.

Shoot draft Embiid and Stauskas and then move the 24 and. Henderson somewhere. Bring in Ed Davis to start at PF and resign some guys and our depth is talented and young.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#230 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 12:58 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I guess I would trade Al Jefferson + MKG + pick 9 for Jabari Parker + Dion Waiters + Varejao. I would sign Greg Monroe + Shaun Livingston

PG-Kemba Walker/Livingston/Waiters
SG-Shaun Livingston/Waiters
SF-Jabari Parker/Henderson
PF-Cody Zeller/McRoberts/Parker
C-Greg Monroe/Biyombo/Varejao

I don't know if that's better than the team with Al + pick 9 but at least we'd have Jabari Parker as a potential franchise star player to build around long term as opposed to Al for just 2 more years.

Livingston is an upgrade to Henderson at SG
Waiters is an upgrade over Gary Neal for 6th man
Jabari Parker is an upgrade over MKG at SF

Monroe is a big downgrade from Al Jefferson

We could put together a rec league team who could put up 100 on those guys.

Would rather keep MKG and start him at SG for defense and would keep McRoberts starting. Those would at least slow the bleeding on defense some.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#231 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:02 am

jdm3 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I guess I would trade Al Jefferson + MKG + pick 9 for Jabari Parker + Dion Waiters + Varejao. I would sign Greg Monroe + Shaun Livingston

PG-Kemba Walker/Livingston/Waiters
SG-Shaun Livingston/Waiters
SF-Jabari Parker/Henderson
PF-Cody Zeller/McRoberts/Parker
C-Greg Monroe/Biyombo/Varejao

I don't know if that's better than the team with Al + pick 9 but at least we'd have Jabari Parker as a potential franchise star player to build around long term as opposed to Al for just 2 more years.

Livingston is an upgrade to Henderson at SG
Waiters is an upgrade over Gary Neal for 6th man
Jabari Parker is an upgrade over MKG at SF

Monroe is a big downgrade from Al Jefferson

We could put together a rec league team who could put up 100 on those guys.

Would rather keep MKG and start him at SG for defense and would keep McRoberts starting. Those would at least slow the bleeding on defense some.


The Cavs would want alot for pick #1, let alone Waiters. And if we're taking Jabari Parker (he's my #1) I'm not trying to make him a project big. I want him at SF like Paul Pierce.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#232 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:05 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I guess I would trade Al Jefferson + MKG + pick 9 for Jabari Parker + Dion Waiters + Varejao. I would sign Greg Monroe + Shaun Livingston

PG-Kemba Walker/Livingston/Waiters
SG-Shaun Livingston/Waiters
SF-Jabari Parker/Henderson
PF-Cody Zeller/McRoberts/Parker
C-Greg Monroe/Biyombo/Varejao

I don't know if that's better than the team with Al + pick 9 but at least we'd have Jabari Parker as a potential franchise star player to build around long term as opposed to Al for just 2 more years.

Livingston is an upgrade to Henderson at SG
Waiters is an upgrade over Gary Neal for 6th man
Jabari Parker is an upgrade over MKG at SF

Monroe is a big downgrade from Al Jefferson

We could put together a rec league team who could put up 100 on those guys.

Would rather keep MKG and start him at SG for defense and would keep McRoberts starting. Those would at least slow the bleeding on defense some.


The Cavs would want alot for pick #1, let alone Waiters. And if we're taking Jabari Parker (he's my #1) I'm not trying to make him a project big. I want him at SF like Paul Pierce.

Then drop Waiters. Your team can't defend anyone you are starting to many terrible defenders. Parker starts at SF and MKG stars at SG in your lineup.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#233 » by ARHornet » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:07 am

Give me Wiggins or Embiid over Parker.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#234 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:22 am

jdm3 wrote:
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jdm3 wrote:We could put together a rec league team who could put up 100 on those guys.

Would rather keep MKG and start him at SG for defense and would keep McRoberts starting. Those would at least slow the bleeding on defense some.


The Cavs would want alot for pick #1, let alone Waiters. And if we're taking Jabari Parker (he's my #1) I'm not trying to make him a project big. I want him at SF like Paul Pierce.

Then drop Waiters. Your team can't defend anyone you are starting to many terrible defenders. Parker starts at SF and MKG stars at SG in your lineup.


I don't like MKG at SG any more than I like Jabari at PF. Maybe I'd sign Ariza.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#235 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:34 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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The Cavs would want alot for pick #1, let alone Waiters. And if we're taking Jabari Parker (he's my #1) I'm not trying to make him a project big. I want him at SF like Paul Pierce.

Then drop Waiters. Your team can't defend anyone you are starting to many terrible defenders. Parker starts at SF and MKG stars at SG in your lineup.


I don't like MKG at SG any more than I like Jabari at PF. Maybe I'd sign Ariza.

Well in that case I don't like your trade at all because we become such a terrible defensive team. I would not make the trade you did at all. Downgrade from MKG to Waiters to get an upgrade from Henderson to Parker and fall off a cliff from Jefferson to Monroe. Then you downgraded to Zeller from McRoberts. That team is a huge step backwards that has just changed from massive offensive holes to massive defensive ones.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#236 » by catch20two » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:37 am

I wouldn't take Monroe on our team unless we could get him for 5-6 mil and use him as a backup. Ain't no team ever gonna win with him in the starting lineup. No post moves to score consistently. No defense. Slow footed. Moose as they call him is overrated and it'll become evident after he get paid and become a bad contract.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#237 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:40 am

catch20two wrote:I wouldn't take Monroe on our team unless we could get him for 5-6 mil and use him as a backup. Ain't no team ever gonna win with him in the starting lineup. No post moves to score consistently. No defense. Slow footed. Moose as they call him is overrated and it'll become evident after he get paid and become a bad contract.


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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#238 » by catch20two » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:45 am

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catch20two wrote:I wouldn't take Monroe on our team unless we could get him for 5-6 mil and use him as a backup. Ain't no team ever gonna win with him in the starting lineup. No post moves to score consistently. No defense. Slow footed. Moose as they call him is overrated and it'll become evident after he get paid and become a bad contract.


Tell us how you really feel.

OK. Greg Monroe is on the same plane as Jordan Hill. I bet they have similar per 36 numbers. Hill is a better defender though and Monroe is a slightly better scorer, just barely.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#239 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:46 am

catch20two wrote:
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catch20two wrote:I wouldn't take Monroe on our team unless we could get him for 5-6 mil and use him as a backup. Ain't no team ever gonna win with him in the starting lineup. No post moves to score consistently. No defense. Slow footed. Moose as they call him is overrated and it'll become evident after he get paid and become a bad contract.


Tell us how you really feel.

OK. Greg Monroe is on the same plane as Jordan Hill. I bet they have similar per 36 numbers. Hill is a better defender though and Monroe is a slightly better scorer, just barely.


Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#240 » by LofJ » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:53 am

Anyway you guys think we could get in on a Minny/Boston trade?

I'd love to get Boston's pick but I imagine Minnesota would require that to trade Love. Maybe they could possibly value Zeller over the 6th pick?

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