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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#241 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:00 am

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Tell us how you really feel.

OK. Greg Monroe is on the same plane as Jordan Hill. I bet they have similar per 36 numbers. Hill is a better defender though and Monroe is a slightly better scorer, just barely.


Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

Per 36 numbers do favor Hill. He plays as a backup which boosts his numbers by playing against backups but his numbers would give him the edge in per 36.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#242 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:01 am

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catch20two wrote:OK. Greg Monroe is on the same plane as Jordan Hill. I bet they have similar per 36 numbers. Hill is a better defender though and Monroe is a slightly better scorer, just barely.


Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

Per 36 numbers do favor Hill. He plays as a backup which boosts his numbers by playing against backups but his numbers would give him the edge in per 36.


I know that his per 36 numbers are better than Monroes, but going by the eye test obviously Monroe is better.

And I do not want Monroe anywhere near this team right now, at least not while Jefferson is here.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#243 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:03 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

Per 36 numbers do favor Hill. He plays as a backup which boosts his numbers by playing against backups but his numbers would give him the edge in per 36.


I know that his per 36 numbers are better than Monroes, but going by the eye test obviously Monroe is better.

And I do not want Monroe anywhere near this team right now, at least not while Jefferson is here.

He is but I don't think it is by as much as the salaries would suggest.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#244 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:04 am

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jdm3 wrote:Then drop Waiters. Your team can't defend anyone you are starting to many terrible defenders. Parker starts at SF and MKG stars at SG in your lineup.


I don't like MKG at SG any more than I like Jabari at PF. Maybe I'd sign Ariza.

Well in that case I don't like your trade at all because we become such a terrible defensive team. I would not make the trade you did at all. Downgrade from MKG to Waiters to get an upgrade from Henderson to Parker and fall off a cliff from Jefferson to Monroe. Then you downgraded to Zeller from McRoberts. That team is a huge step backwards that has just changed from massive offensive holes to massive defensive ones.


You don't have to like it.

The bottom line is I prefer Jabari Parker on the roster to MKG, not both, and not MKG.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#245 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:07 am

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I don't like MKG at SG any more than I like Jabari at PF. Maybe I'd sign Ariza.

Well in that case I don't like your trade at all because we become such a terrible defensive team. I would not make the trade you did at all. Downgrade from MKG to Waiters to get an upgrade from Henderson to Parker and fall off a cliff from Jefferson to Monroe. Then you downgraded to Zeller from McRoberts. That team is a huge step backwards that has just changed from massive offensive holes to massive defensive ones.


You don't have to like it.

The bottom line is I prefer Jabari Parker on the roster to MKG, not both, and not MKG.

Well by all means lets drive the team into the ground to get rid of a player you don't like. Why not trade away Kemba in that deal just to make sure we can get rid of MKG and downgrade our talent level.

At least with your team we would get another high pick next season to try to pair with Parker.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#246 » by catch20two » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:10 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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Tell us how you really feel.

OK. Greg Monroe is on the same plane as Jordan Hill. I bet they have similar per 36 numbers. Hill is a better defender though and Monroe is a slightly better scorer, just barely.


Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

I looked it up and Monroe average 16/10 per 36 while Hill average 15/12 per 36. Monroe has a career average of 31 minutes per game at 14/9 while looking at the career splits Hill average 16/11 whenever he get over 30 minutes in a game averaging out at 32 minutes. They are very similar players, just Monroe has a name coming out of high school being in magazines and such.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#247 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:11 am

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catch20two wrote:OK. Greg Monroe is on the same plane as Jordan Hill. I bet they have similar per 36 numbers. Hill is a better defender though and Monroe is a slightly better scorer, just barely.


Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

I looked it up and Monroe average 16/10 per 36 while Hill average 15/12 per 36. Monroe has a career average of 31 minutes per game at 14/9 while looking at the career splits Hill average 16/11 whenever he get over 30 minutes in a game averaging out at 32 minutes. They are very similar players, just Monroe has a name coming out of high school being in magazines and such.


So if Hill and Monroe were paid the exact same amount you would choose Hill over Monroe?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#248 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:13 am

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Lol. Im not a big Monroe fan, but thats kind of extreme. Monroe is obviously better, but I feel ya.

I looked it up and Monroe average 16/10 per 36 while Hill average 15/12 per 36. Monroe has a career average of 31 minutes per game at 14/9 while looking at the career splits Hill average 16/11 whenever he get over 30 minutes in a game averaging out at 32 minutes. They are very similar players, just Monroe has a name coming out of high school being in magazines and such.


So if Hill and Monroe were paid the exact same amount you would choose Hill over Monroe?

I would consider it for the extra defense. Monroe is 3 years younger which would need to come into play as well.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#249 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:16 am

jdm3 wrote:
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catch20two wrote:I looked it up and Monroe average 16/10 per 36 while Hill average 15/12 per 36. Monroe has a career average of 31 minutes per game at 14/9 while looking at the career splits Hill average 16/11 whenever he get over 30 minutes in a game averaging out at 32 minutes. They are very similar players, just Monroe has a name coming out of high school being in magazines and such.


So if Hill and Monroe were paid the exact same amount you would choose Hill over Monroe?

I would consider it for the extra defense. Monroe is 3 years younger which would need to come into play as well.


I like Jordan Hill a lot, but the skill level isn't close. Monroe is way better off as a center.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#250 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:16 am

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jdm3 wrote:Well in that case I don't like your trade at all because we become such a terrible defensive team. I would not make the trade you did at all. Downgrade from MKG to Waiters to get an upgrade from Henderson to Parker and fall off a cliff from Jefferson to Monroe. Then you downgraded to Zeller from McRoberts. That team is a huge step backwards that has just changed from massive offensive holes to massive defensive ones.


You don't have to like it.

The bottom line is I prefer Jabari Parker on the roster to MKG, not both, and not MKG.

Well by all means lets drive the team into the ground to get rid of a player you don't like. Why not trade away Kemba in that deal just to make sure we can get rid of MKG and downgrade our talent level.

At least with your team we would get another high pick next season to try to pair with Parker.


Getting rid of MKG would not be driving the team into the ground. He can't shoot a basketball.

Jabari Parker runs circles around him.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#251 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:19 am

Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#252 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:21 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.


Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#253 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:23 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.


Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)


Well, yeah. Parker is obviously superior to MKG.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#254 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:23 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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You don't have to like it.

The bottom line is I prefer Jabari Parker on the roster to MKG, not both, and not MKG.

Well by all means lets drive the team into the ground to get rid of a player you don't like. Why not trade away Kemba in that deal just to make sure we can get rid of MKG and downgrade our talent level.

At least with your team we would get another high pick next season to try to pair with Parker.


Getting rid of MKG would not be driving the team into the ground. He can't shoot a basketball.

Jabari Parker runs circles around him.

You are getting Parker for Al and Waiters for MKG in your deal. This is a terrible downgrade in talent. Your team has taken a step backwards at 3 spots because I would consider MKG a better starter at SG than Livingston for his defense. You backtracked at SG, PF and C on your team just to add Parker and trade MKG for the fun of it. Livingston can't shoot so now you are adding a decent shooter in Parker and downgrading other positions leaving us a much much much worse team. This would be an embarrassment for fans in Charlotte. I would love to have Parker but we got screwed in this trade and everyone is laughing at us.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#255 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:25 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.


Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)

Everyone does laugh because we give up the best and third best player in your trade and land squarely in the running for the top pick next year. We take on Monroe for way to much and have a terrible season. You are correct we become the laughing stock of the league on this deal. Are you really a Cavs fan in hiding here?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#256 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:25 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.


Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)


Well, yeah. Parker is obviously superior to MKG.


Not obvious to all.

There is nothing homicidal to suggest Parker over MKG.

The #1 pick isn't going to be sent out for 2 years of Big Al.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#257 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:27 am

jdm3 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.


Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)

Everyone does laugh because we give up the best and third best player in your trade and land squarely in the running for the top pick next year. We take on Monroe for way to much and have a terrible season. You are correct we become the laughing stock of the league on this deal. Are you really a Cavs fan in hiding here?


No everyone laughs at the thought of refusing to part with MKG when you have Jabari Parker. 2 years of a 30 year old with bad knees doesn't get you Jabari Parker.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#258 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:28 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)


Well, yeah. Parker is obviously superior to MKG.


Not obvious to all.

There is nothing homicidal to suggest Parker over MKG.

The #1 pick isn't going to be sent out for 2 years of Big Al.

It is obvious. I agree Parker is better than MKG but Al and MKG > Parker and Waiters. You were the one saying we need to win next season now you want this garbage.
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Post#259 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:28 am

Waiters was drafted 2 spots after MKG. Who has more trade value around the league?
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Post#260 » by BeesWax » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:29 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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Jabari Parker over MKG though? Hardly bias.

Every GM in the league laughs in the face of that trade off except jdm and a few others here (maybe Biz and Braggins)

Everyone does laugh because we give up the best and third best player in your trade and land squarely in the running for the top pick next year. We take on Monroe for way to much and have a terrible season. You are correct we become the laughing stock of the league on this deal. Are you really a Cavs fan in hiding here?


No everyone laughs at the thought of refusing to part with MKG when you have Jabari Parker. 2 years of a 30 year old with bad knees doesn't get you Jabari Parker.

Then they can keep the pick. You said don't take a step back now you want to be a bottom of the lottery team next season. Which side are you on? Bad trades to make sure we are a 7 seed then bad trades to land a talent and be back in the lottery.
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