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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#101 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 3, 2014 3:19 am

I'd still draft Stauskas and acquire Afflalo. If Lance accepted 2 years I'd pass on Monroe and flip Afflalo to SF.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#102 » by Eoghan » Tue Jun 3, 2014 3:27 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I'd still draft Stauskas and acquire Afflalo. If Lance accepted 2 years I'd pass on Monroe and flip Afflalo to SF.

It's a shame there isn't a glut of good Pf prospects around 12th pick b/c with Lance at Sg and Afflalo at Sf I think a wing would unfairly get pine time when Pf needs more depth.

Kemba, Lance, Afflalo, Saric, and Al would be an interesting lineup. Likely murdered on defense but they'd have way more offense.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#103 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jun 3, 2014 3:32 am

Sign Lance, draft McDermott, and ill be thrilled.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#104 » by ARHornet » Tue Jun 3, 2014 3:38 am

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MasterIchiro wrote:I'd still draft Stauskas and acquire Afflalo. If Lance accepted 2 years I'd pass on Monroe and flip Afflalo to SF.

It's a shame there isn't a glut of good Pf prospects around 12th pick b/c with Lance at Sg and Afflalo at Sf I think a wing would unfairly get pine time when Pf needs more depth.

Kemba, Lance, Afflalo, Saric, and Al would be an interesting lineup. Likely murdered on defense but they'd have way more offense.

Agreed. I don't really see any viable long term PF options in free agency while we seemingly have lots of wing options there. But unless we want to gamble on Saric, then we'd have to reach for a guy like Payne if we want a PF at 9. So that is unfortunate. Saric I think will be a good player and would be a good fit, but with him potentially not coming over I say it's way to risky to take him at 9.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#105 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 3, 2014 3:41 am

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MasterIchiro wrote:I'd still draft Stauskas and acquire Afflalo. If Lance accepted 2 years I'd pass on Monroe and flip Afflalo to SF.

It's a shame there isn't a glut of good Pf prospects around 12th pick b/c with Lance at Sg and Afflalo at Sf I think a wing would unfairly get pine time when Pf needs more depth.

Kemba, Lance, Afflalo, Saric, and Al would be an interesting lineup. Likely murdered on defense but they'd have way more offense.


I like Zeller on defense a little more than you do. He's got quick lateral movement and he contests shots in the paint. I know he's getting bullied right now but I think he's competitive enough to take his mobility on defense to another level and get more aggressive.

At any rate, I think to avoid one wing getting pine time unfairly, you draft Stauskas (or comparable SG) and bring in Afflalo, dump Hendo and rotate Stauskas, Afflalo and MKG at the wings.

I know you don't like Afflalo and I agree and I like Stephenson far more but I like the guarantee of maybe knowing we can dump Hendo and bring in his replacement before leaving the draft and I don't trust a 50/50 proposition.

If you can guarantee me Afflalo + Stauskas I'm very satisfied.

Still plenty of $$ afterwards.

So take that savings Afflalo offers (in dumping Hendo) and apply it to trades for $$ players at SF or PF or for free agents at SF or PF.

Upgrading 2 positions is very exciting to me.

One falls short.

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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#106 » by Eoghan » Tue Jun 3, 2014 3:47 am

I just don't see us dumping Hendo in an Afflalo deal. Orlando can't be that desperate to move up three spaces. They'd just assume keep Afflalo, it's not like they're swimming in good 3 point shooters either.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#107 » by willywazza » Tue Jun 3, 2014 9:04 am

This team needs more TALENT.

Adding Stephenson would be a terrific upgrade on the wing and give this team an injection of toughness/nastiness.

He may have his issues but he is a young guy and I'm sure he'll be able to improve considerably with time. Plus, you will probably have MJ mentoring him and keeping him in check.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#108 » by Bassman » Tue Jun 3, 2014 11:53 am

willywazza wrote:This team needs more TALENT.

Adding Stephenson would be a terrific upgrade on the wing and give this team an injection of toughness/nastiness.

He may have his issues but he is a young guy and I'm sure he'll be able to improve considerably with time. Plus, you will probably have MJ mentoring him and keeping him in check.


Indeed. For those scared of Lance, I can understand your wariness. Reality is he will be highly sought after by numerous teams, including Indy. His talent is undeniable, and he's not a bad character guy. Lance represents our best chance to add a star performer to this roster. Our big 3 would be Al, Lance & Kemba. By moving up to draft a big (Noah or Randle) with star potential, we lock in our future. Neither of those bigs is ready to make us a champion next season, but I bet they become a major part of the run the following year.

Look, I like Stauskas also, but the guy will never be a good defender in the NBA. If it's not Lance, I'd like Afflalo as the alternative. I just think my suggestion of Lance + 5th pick PF is the best win now, win big later strategy. Next best option? Trade for Afflalo and use 12th pick on either a future SG or McDermott if he should fall to 12th. I like McDermott but fear his limitations will keep him a 6th man at best. Either option is better than a straight draft of any available SG at 9. Seriously...you'd have to think our 9th pick is a star of the future to NOT pursue either trade strategy outlined above. To take a real next step, WE NEED STARS WITH IMPACT, NOT MORE ROLE PLAYERS.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#109 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 3, 2014 12:16 pm

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willywazza wrote:This team needs more TALENT.

Adding Stephenson would be a terrific upgrade on the wing and give this team an injection of toughness/nastiness.

He may have his issues but he is a young guy and I'm sure he'll be able to improve considerably with time. Plus, you will probably have MJ mentoring him and keeping him in check.


Indeed. For those scared of Lance, I can understand your wariness. Reality is he will be highly sought after by numerous teams, including Indy. His talent is undeniable, and he's not a bad character guy. Lance represents our best chance to add a star performer to this roster. Our big 3 would be Al, Lance & Kemba. By moving up to draft a big (Noah or Randle) with star potential, we lock in our future. Neither of those bigs is ready to make us a champion next season, but I bet they become a major part of the run the following year.

Look, I like Stauskas also, but the guy will never be a good defender in the NBA. If it's not Lance, I'd like Afflalo as the alternative. I just think my suggestion of Lance + 5th pick PF is the best win now, win big later strategy. Next best option? Trade for Afflalo and use 12th pick on either a future SG or McDermott if he should fall to 12th. I like McDermott but fear his limitations will keep him a 6th man at best. Either option is better than a straight draft of any available SG at 9. Seriously...you'd have to think our 9th pick is a star of the future to NOT pursue either trade strategy outlined above. To take a real next step, WE NEED STARS WITH IMPACT, NOT MORE ROLE PLAYERS.


It's enticing but I don't want to draft PF assuming Lance is a guarantee. I don't like the risk of getting stuck with Hendo.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#110 » by willywazza » Tue Jun 3, 2014 12:29 pm

Bassman wrote:
willywazza wrote:This team needs more TALENT.

Adding Stephenson would be a terrific upgrade on the wing and give this team an injection of toughness/nastiness.

He may have his issues but he is a young guy and I'm sure he'll be able to improve considerably with time. Plus, you will probably have MJ mentoring him and keeping him in check.


Indeed. For those scared of Lance, I can understand your wariness. Reality is he will be highly sought after by numerous teams, including Indy. His talent is undeniable, and he's not a bad character guy. Lance represents our best chance to add a star performer to this roster. Our big 3 would be Al, Lance & Kemba. By moving up to draft a big (Noah or Randle) with star potential, we lock in our future. Neither of those bigs is ready to make us a champion next season, but I bet they become a major part of the run the following year.

Look, I like Stauskas also, but the guy will never be a good defender in the NBA. If it's not Lance, I'd like Afflalo as the alternative. I just think my suggestion of Lance + 5th pick PF is the best win now, win big later strategy. Next best option? Trade for Afflalo and use 12th pick on either a future SG or McDermott if he should fall to 12th. I like McDermott but fear his limitations will keep him a 6th man at best. Either option is better than a straight draft of any available SG at 9. Seriously...you'd have to think our 9th pick is a star of the future to NOT pursue either trade strategy outlined above. To take a real next step, WE NEED STARS WITH IMPACT, NOT MORE ROLE PLAYERS.


Agree with not getting more role players, especially if management ends up drafting another one in the lottery. I don't want to give up on MKG just yet but I think this guy does not seem to have the makings of an offensive contributor. Right now, he projects to be a larger Tony Allen.

It's certainly time to make a run at Lance!
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#111 » by dmutombo321 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 2:03 pm

Slide show of possible landing spots for Stephenson. Has Charlotte listed #1:

" At this moment the Hornets make the most sense for Stephenson, and it's not even close. MJ's team needs scorers and there's also plenty of cap space to bring the talented SG on board. Stephenson could be a star in Charlotte, if he gets his head on straight. The GOAT would be just the person to mentor the 23-year old."

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/0 ... 1Kww3SX.99
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#112 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 3, 2014 6:55 pm

dmutombo321 wrote:Slide show of possible landing spots for Stephenson. Has Charlotte listed #1:

" At this moment the Hornets make the most sense for Stephenson, and it's not even close. MJ's team needs scorers and there's also plenty of cap space to bring the talented SG on board. Stephenson could be a star in Charlotte, if he gets his head on straight. The GOAT would be just the person to mentor the 23-year old."

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/0 ... 1Kww3SX.99


That is interesting. If Hornets players (ahem Kemba) text him, is that considered tampering?
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#113 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 3, 2014 7:51 pm

Depending on where Melo goes, I think Chicago is best fit. Obviously they can't have both.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#114 » by LofJ » Tue Jun 3, 2014 8:08 pm

After July 1st it's open season. We can talk to Lance as much as we want.
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#115 » by JDR720 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 8:15 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:Slide show of possible landing spots for Stephenson. Has Charlotte listed #1:

" At this moment the Hornets make the most sense for Stephenson, and it's not even close. MJ's team needs scorers and there's also plenty of cap space to bring the talented SG on board. Stephenson could be a star in Charlotte, if he gets his head on straight. The GOAT would be just the person to mentor the 23-year old."

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/0 ... 1Kww3SX.99


That is interesting. If Hornets players (ahem Kemba) text him, is that considered tampering?

well if so then Kemba tampered with Al, as long as they're not on a team i dont think so tho
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Post#116 » by LofJ » Tue Jun 3, 2014 8:17 pm

JDR720 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
dmutombo321 wrote:Slide show of possible landing spots for Stephenson. Has Charlotte listed #1:

" At this moment the Hornets make the most sense for Stephenson, and it's not even close. MJ's team needs scorers and there's also plenty of cap space to bring the talented SG on board. Stephenson could be a star in Charlotte, if he gets his head on straight. The GOAT would be just the person to mentor the 23-year old."

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/06/0 ... 1Kww3SX.99


That is interesting. If Hornets players (ahem Kemba) text him, is that considered tampering?

well if so then Kemba tampered with Al, as long as they're not on a team i dont think so tho


The free agency moratorium ends on July 1st. Up until then you're still considered to be part of the team you ended the previous season with, even if you're unrestricted.
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Post#117 » by BobsBuddy » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:14 pm

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: Muto321 and Pooty must be smokin the same stuff. :banghead: I've said it over and over again that Stephenson is a locker room cancer and headcase. Thats why I started this post. Last Night on NBA TV
rumor has it that Larry Bird will resign him. How, I don't know without trading West, Hibbert and/or Hill but I sure hope the rumor is true. The shot Stephenson took in the neck/head area on Norris Cole was a flagrant 2,but the refs did nothing. Maybe it takes LS breaking somebodys neck and ending their carreer for the NBA to wake up.

I am telling you we want no part of this guy because he will flop the minute we give him 10-12 million.
Houston needs cap space to buy Mello and we have it to provide. Maybe we can do a sign and trade with Parsons and Asik giving them all our cap space. Then move down from 9 to 12 with Orlando,trade Henderson and pick up Afflalo :nod:

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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#118 » by BlackOutBuzz » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:17 pm

Of course, this is Chris Sheridan:

"Sources say the Charlotte Hornets and Chicago Bulls are two teams to keep an eye on in the Stephenson sweepstakes.

The Hornets could offer Stephenson a lucrative contract, with the franchise only on the books for $42.6 million, in an effort to upgrade at shooting guard over Gerald Henderson.

Coach Steve Clifford molded the Hornets into a defensive force. Stephenson would enhance that force and provide another playmaker capable of getting his own shot off the dribble or creating for others, taking pressure off Kemba Walker in the process."

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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#119 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jun 4, 2014 9:39 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:Of course, this is Chris Sheridan:

"Sources say the Charlotte Hornets and Chicago Bulls are two teams to keep an eye on in the Stephenson sweepstakes.

The Hornets could offer Stephenson a lucrative contract, with the franchise only on the books for $42.6 million, in an effort to upgrade at shooting guard over Gerald Henderson.

Coach Steve Clifford molded the Hornets into a defensive force. Stephenson would enhance that force and provide another playmaker capable of getting his own shot off the dribble or creating for others, taking pressure off Kemba Walker in the process."

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Then no Stauskas at 9. If the plan is to sign Stephenson, who should be pick 9? McDermott?
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Re: Why we do not want Lance Stephenson to be a Hornet? 

Post#120 » by ARHornet » Wed Jun 4, 2014 9:46 pm

If Chris Sheridan said it, then it's probably wrong...

But seriously, Stephenson does make a lot of sense here. Him and MKG would be a dynamic defensive wing duo. Then add a guy like McDermott or Stauskas at 9 and then you've got your offensive minded 6th man.

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