2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Agnostifarian]

Russ Smith just got picked. We're up in the Mock. Here are the top 7 players left via DX in order:

Klimenko
Johnny O'Bryant
CJ Wilcox
Jordan Clarkson
Deonte Burton
Jabari Brown
Dwight Powell

Who do you want?

I'm not updating right or something, wtf do I know about computers, I'm older than Tim Duncan, anyway I didn't see the Washington pick, but if Smith is gone how bout Wilcox? Like finest said, he can shoot.

The Wizards haven't posted yet. They are leaning toward Russ Smith so he's not officially picked yet.

[James40]

Russ Smith just got picked. We're up in the Mock. Here are the top 7 players left via DX in order:

Klimenko
Johnny O'Bryant
CJ Wilcox
Jordan Clarkson
Deonte Burton
Jabari Brown
Dwight Powell

Who do you want?

I'm not updating right or something, wtf do I know about computers, I'm older than Tim Duncan, anyway I didn't see the Washington pick, but if Smith is gone how bout Wilcox? Like finest said, he can shoot.

The Wizards haven't posted yet. They are leaning toward Russ Smith so he's not officially picked yet.

Oh, thought my computer was messed up.

[Kobblehead]

The biggest question Lavine is gonna have to answer is whether he wants to be a great player or whether he just wants to look cool and live the NBA life (J.R. Smith, Michael Beasley, Nick Young, James Young - yes, I'm condemning JY already).

[freshie2]

Lavine isn't broke, just looks a bit odd. Kevin Martin with athleticism...would you take that???

[HankTheTank]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

[freshie2]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

Wiggins and Vonleh...would everyone sign up for that???

[snoopdogg88]

Wiggins/Exum/Noel

I'll take that, and be the happiest man on Earth. Even if it costs us MCW

[M3]

Lavine isn't broke, just looks a bit odd. Kevin Martin with athleticism...would you take that???

Lavine is broken. Hope the Sixers pass on him. Whatever team reaches to draft this guy in the first round is going to regret it. He scored a Total of 11 points in his last five games, and averaged only 5.1 points for the month of March. He made only 5 of his last 26 three-point attempts after starting the year as a 40% shooter.

His reported 46-inch vertical is great but he didn't rebound very much for a guy with that vertical, and he hardly blocked any shots. He is also not a creator because of his limited passing ability, ranking 18th out of 22 shooting guards in the draft when it comes to passing ability.

LaVine is the next great measureables and potential player that jumps up the draft board only to ride the bench and exit the league in 3 years.

[philly262]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

Wiggins and Vonleh...would everyone sign up for that???

Yes I would definitely sign up for that, I'm hoping we end up with those two on draft night. Then maybe try to get the 16th or 19th pick from the Bulls and get someone like Hairston or Lavine with that pick, and then getting a guy like Austin in the second round.

So in the 2014 draft we get Wiggins,Vonleh, Hairston and Austin or some random 2nd round pick that would be my dream draft.

[joefrizzle]

I don't know why everybody is willing to trade Thad. I get that he is probably the only trade asset that 1) the Sixers may be willing to part with, and 2) would actually get something useful in return, but I think Thad can be an important part of this team going forward. First of all, as crazy as Hinkie may seem, he's not giving Brett Brown a team of 9 players that are either rookies/2nd year players. Thad is a hard worker and a veteran. Both are needed on the team. And while he's been in the league for what seems like a long time, he's at the early stages of his prime now.

Nobody knows how the draft will eventually work out, but Thad and Noel could be a pretty good tandem in the front court. With the possibility of adding Wiggins/Parker and Stauskas/Harris/McDermott, Thad fits in there pretty well. For sure the team will be able to get up and down the floor and pay with the kind of pace that Brown wants.

Why play all your cards now? Hinkie has a lot of flexibility. Thad is a known commodity around the league. I doubt his trade value changes dramatically in the short term. There is something to be said for waiting for the right opportunity as opposed to jumping at the first one that presents itself. Maybe Philly's cap space combined with Thad could be part of a multi team deal trade featuring Kevin Love (not saying Love necessarily lands in Philly) which would net the Sixers something really good (e.g. a couple of unprotected first rounders and several 2nd rounders like Utah got from Golden State in the Biedriens/Jefferson/Rush trade).

I just don't like the idea of throwing Thad in a trade to move up 2-3 spots from #10. Thad is an asset. Hinkie likes collecting assets. All of us, including Hinkie, would like to parlay some the assets to get better assets. I just don't think a two-for-one (Thad and a pick for one pick) to move up 2-3 picks is the right move now and I'm not sure Thad and #10 for presumably Vonleh/Randle/Gordon is a clear upgrade in assets. I'm excited about Vonleh, Gordon et al, but who is to say any of these guys will end up better than Thad. Thad is a pretty good player right now, and he fits into a team concept really well. He runs the floor, hustles, doesn't need a lot of possession to be effective on offense, plays absolutely great pick and roll defense, is versatile, and is a solid citizen. Philly can definitely use a player like that.

When you say move up a couple spots it does sound like you're not getting much in return, but its a BIG 2-3 spots. For me, the difference between Randle/Smart/Vonleh/Gordon and Stauskas/McD/Harris/Young is HUGE.

Really? Do we really know that Randle/Smart/Vonleh/Gordon are all going to be better than Stauskas/McDermott/Harris/Young? It is still a crapshoot to a certain degree. Perhaps your odds are better picking at #8 than at #10, but nobody knows whether Wiggins will be better than any of these other guys.

We know what Thad is. He is a good NBA player. Not a star. Not an all star. He's the only known commodity in this whole equation. To me it is hard to give up the only known commodity, and a pretty good one, for a chance that #8 is going to turn out to be better than #10. That's high price to pay.

But do you really expect Thad to be a part of this team by the time we're ready to contend? I don't, I like Thad, but by the time we are ready to contend he'll be atleast 30-31 years old.(If we even resign him). I don't think keeping him because he's a good veteran player is that important, we can sign a good veteran player to a contract much less than Thads. I would rather take that crapshoot and have a better chance of drafting an all=star caliber player at 7 or 8. Remember, this a a strong draft. Smart, Randle, Vonleh and Gordon would all likely be top 3 picks in a routine year.

[OleSchool]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

This "rumor" wouldn't surprise me, but I find it hard to believe that this would leak but the potential trade of Jrue last year did not.

The MCW rumors I thought came from a writer??

[OleSchool]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

Wiggins and Vonleh...would everyone sign up for that???

I think Wiggins and Vonleh is a dram scenario for this team. While I don't have too much faith that Wiggins will reach his ceiling, or even come close to it, I do recognize that he has a ton of talent.

I think Vonleh would be prefect next to Noel. Has the frame to play C on D and has the offense skill to play PF on O.

If Hinkie could pull off Wiggins and Vonleh on draft night I think a statue should be built of him

[OleSchool]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

Wiggins and Vonleh...would everyone sign up for that???

Yes I would definitely sign up for that, I'm hoping we end up with those two on draft night. Then maybe try to get the 16th or 19th pick from the Bulls and get someone like Hairston or Lavine with that pick, and then getting a guy like Austin in the second round.

So in the 2014 draft we get Wiggins,Vonleh, Hairston and Austin or some random 2nd round pick that would be my dream draft.

Nice plan, getting the 16 and 19 but I think moving from 10 to 5 (where Vonleh is supposed to go) would probably require us getting the 16 and 19 and then trading them with 10 to move up. At the very least 10 and 16

[joefrizzle]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

Wiggins and Vonleh...would everyone sign up for that???

I think Wiggins and Vonleh is a dram scenario for this team. While I don't have too much faith that Wiggins will reach his ceiling, or even come close to it, I do recognize that he has a ton of talent.

I think Vonleh would be prefect next to Noel. Has the frame to play C on D and has the offense skill to play PF on O.

If Hinkie could pull off Wiggins and Vonleh on draft night I think a statue should be built of him

See, my dream pair would be Wiggins and Randle.

[HankTheTank]

Hadn't seen this posted, and I normally wouldn't post stuff heard on WIP, but Gargano claims an inside source told him Hinkie loves loves loves Wiggins and will do whatever it takes to get him. Also said he is very anxious to move up from 10, and would love to get to 4, presumably for Exum. He went on to say the MCW rumors had to start somewhere, possibly for a reason... Take it for what it's worth, which is next to nothing of course.

This "rumor" wouldn't surprise me, but I find it hard to believe that this would leak but the potential trade of Jrue last year did not.

The MCW rumors I thought came from a writer??

I think the implication is Hinkie leaked the MCW rumor intentionally to a writer. I do not buy this.

Seems to me there is a good chance Wiggins falls to us anyway at 3 without any maneuvering. Also, I can't see us having the ammo to move from 10 to 4, unless it's MCW + 10 for 4. Not sure I'm a fan of that but I trust the genius.

[OleSchool]

Also, I can't see us having the ammo to move from 10 to 4, unless it's MCW + 10 for 4. Not sure I'm a fan of that but I trust the genius.

The only way I can see us moving from 10 to 4 is to include MCW. We might get to 5 IF we take Boozer from Chi (and whatever else they want to dump on us) for 16 and 19. Then give UTH 10, 16, and possibly 19 to get 5.

I don't know how much Orl values MCW as compared to Exum. If ORL values Exum more then they would just tell us to pound sand.

[Slacktard]

I don't get how those "rumors" equal Wiggins & Vonleh.

It sounds like Wiggins & Exum to me.

Wiggins at #3 and moving up to #4 for Exum(trading the 10 and MCW to do it)

But I don't believe any 'leaks' from the Sixers so it could all be the exact opposite or just trying to make teams think Hinkie is targetting a certain player when he has little interest(if the rumors were leaked by Hinkie)

[Hardcore6erFan]

Sixers don't have to trade MCW to get #4. They can acquire #8 from Kings for Thad/2nds/eating bad contracts and then trade #8 and #10 for #4.

[OleSchool]

Sixers don't have to trade MCW to get #4. They can acquire #8 from Kings for Thad/2nds/eating bad contracts and then trade #8 and #10 for #4.

Why would the King trade completely outta the 1st round? especially for Thad? I didn't see a rumor that the Kings want any potential FA's/trades like Melo or Love.

If a trade with the Kings happen I am almost sure they want to stay in the 1st or get them a player that can help them now. I love Thad but he's a locker room guy/mentor. Not exactly what the Kings are looking for

[Slacktard]

I'm not sure 8 & 10 for 4 gets it done. The Magic lose any chance at Exum/Vonleh/Smart/Randle and instead are then looking at guys like Saric/McDermott/Gordon/etc...