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Post#21 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:08 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I think the concept is cool, but I think having more categories would likely give you a more accurate read on where guys stand. As it is now it seems to overrated the smart, jumpshooter because they ace two of the three categories. Guys like JJ Redick or even someone like Andy Rautins would score really well here because they shoot the lights out and have a very good feel for the game.

Also, defense doesn't seem to get weighted in anywhere.

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A JJ like player fits in pretty well to me. First off JJ is really great as a shooting/skill talent and feel for the game categories but he is not near-maxing out like Steph Curry in either category. I only give 10s and 11s to transcendent talents in their categories. I would rate JJ as a 9 and 8 respectively in the skill impact and feel for the game talent categories. Add in a 1 or 2 in the physical impact category and he's around 18 or 19 which is about right for a legitimate starting SG talent who's not a star (I rate 19-22 as "blue chip starter" talent, then 23-24 as fringe star talent, then 25 and above it gets to clearcut star talent). An inverse version of JJ would be MKG who is also probably around a 9, 8, and 2, just with physical talents, feel for the game and skill level respectively

Re: defense. Well to me the talents that lead to defense are physical tools and feel for the game, which I feel my system covers. The 3rd major element in defense is effort level. Since my system is only rating talent and not whether they'll reach it, I don't grade that in. I generally think something like 5% of the established players in the league are underperforming their talent (ruling out young players in their first handful of years, conceivably struggling because they're young), which I figured out just by counting how many established players I called true enigmas. And there's probably a 5% on the top end, take freak competitors like RWB and Noah, who are packing on a little extra beyond their talent level.

So when it comes to a prospect like eg Stauskas, admittedly the ways I could be wrong about rating him so high could be

- He falls into the 5% enigma club
- I do his grades badly, such as against all the evidence now he turns into a mediocre shooter - AND/OR my above average rating of him in the athleticism/ballhandling/size category ends up a mistake
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Post#22 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:00 am

03/28/14:

1. Milwaukee Bucks - SF Andrew Wiggins
2. Philadelphia 76ers - C Joel Embiid
3. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
4. Utah Jazz - PF Julius Randle
5. Boston Celtics - PF Aaron Gordon
6. L.A. Lakers - SF/PF Jabari Parker
7. Sacramento Kings - PF/C Noah Vonleh
8. Detroit Pistons - SF/PF Doug McDermott
9. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Willie Cauley-Stein
10. Denver Nuggets (from New York) - PG/SG Marcus Smart
11. Orlando Magic (from Denver) - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
12. Philadelphia 76ers (from New Orleans) - SG Jordan Adams
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SF Cleanthony Early
14. Dallas Mavericks - SF K.J. McDaniels
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Post#23 » by brackdan70 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:40 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:03/28/14:

1. Milwaukee Bucks - SF Andrew Wiggins
2. Philadelphia 76ers - C Joel Embiid
3. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
4. Utah Jazz - PF Julius Randle
5. Boston Celtics - PF Aaron Gordon
6. L.A. Lakers - SF/PF Jabari Parker
7. Sacramento Kings - PF/C Noah Vonleh
8. Detroit Pistons - SF/PF Doug McDermott
9. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Willie Cauley-Stein
10. Denver Nuggets (from New York) - PG/SG Marcus Smart
11. Orlando Magic (from Denver) - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
12. Philadelphia 76ers (from New Orleans) - SG Jordan Adams
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SF Cleanthony Early
14. Dallas Mavericks - SF K.J. McDaniels


pretty interesting Lotto there...really think Jabari drops to 6?, below Gordon? if Jazz are in 4 they would certainly ale him, and I can't see magic passing either
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Post#24 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:11 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:03/28/14:

1. Milwaukee Bucks - SF Andrew Wiggins
2. Philadelphia 76ers - C Joel Embiid
3. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
4. Utah Jazz - PF Julius Randle
5. Boston Celtics - PF Aaron Gordon
6. L.A. Lakers - SF/PF Jabari Parker
7. Sacramento Kings - PF/C Noah Vonleh
8. Detroit Pistons - SF/PF Doug McDermott
9. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Willie Cauley-Stein
10. Denver Nuggets (from New York) - PG/SG Marcus Smart
11. Orlando Magic (from Denver) - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
12. Philadelphia 76ers (from New Orleans) - SG Jordan Adams
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SF Cleanthony Early
14. Dallas Mavericks - SF K.J. McDaniels


pretty interesting Lotto there...really think Jabari drops to 6?, below Gordon? if Jazz are in 4 they would certainly ale him, and I can't see magic passing either


:crazy: :lol: there is no chance in HE double hockey sticks that the Magic pick Exum before Parker.
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Post#25 » by brackdan70 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:20 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:03/28/14:

1. Milwaukee Bucks - SF Andrew Wiggins
2. Philadelphia 76ers - C Joel Embiid
3. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
4. Utah Jazz - PF Julius Randle
5. Boston Celtics - PF Aaron Gordon
6. L.A. Lakers - SF/PF Jabari Parker
7. Sacramento Kings - PF/C Noah Vonleh
8. Detroit Pistons - SF/PF Doug McDermott
9. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Willie Cauley-Stein
10. Denver Nuggets (from New York) - PG/SG Marcus Smart
11. Orlando Magic (from Denver) - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
12. Philadelphia 76ers (from New Orleans) - SG Jordan Adams
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SF Cleanthony Early
14. Dallas Mavericks - SF K.J. McDaniels


pretty interesting Lotto there...really think Jabari drops to 6?, below Gordon? if Jazz are in 4 they would certainly ale him, and I can't see magic passing either


:crazy: :lol: there is no chance in HE double hockey sticks that the Magic pick Exum before Parker.


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Post#26 » by Dr Positivity » Wed May 28, 2014 8:36 pm

05/28/14

1. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Joel Embiid
2. Milwaukee Bucks - SF/PF Jabari Parker
3. Philadelphia 76ers - PF Noah Vonleh
4. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
5. Utah Jazz - SG/SF Andrew Wiggins
6. Boston Celtics - PF Julius Randle
7. Los Angeles Lakers - SF/PF Aaron Gordon
8. Sacramento Kings - PG Marcus Smart
9. Charlotte Hornets - SG Nik Stauskas
10. Philadelphia 76ers - SG Jordan Adams
11. Denver Nuggets - PF/C Adriean Payne
12. Orlando Magic - SF/PF Dario Saric
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SG/SF James Young
14. Phoenix Suns - PG/SG Zach LaVine
15. Atlanta Hawks - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
16. Chicago Bulls - PG Elfrid Payton
17. Boston Celtics - C Jusuf Nurkic
18. Phoenix Suns - PF/C Kristaps Porzingis
19. Chicago Bulls - SF/PF Doug McDermott
20. Toronto Raptors - SF/PF Jerami Grant
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - SG/SF Rodney Hood
22. Memphis Grizzlies - PG Shabazz Napier
23. Utah Jazz - PG/SG Gary Harris
24. Charlotte Hornets - SF Deandre Daniels
25. Houston Rockets - PF Clint Capela
26. Miami Heat - SF Cleanthony Early
27. Phoenix Suns - SG/SF K.J. McDaniels
28. L.A. Clippers - PG Tyler Ennis
29. Oklahoma City Thunder - SF/PF Damien Inglis
30. San Antonio Spurs - SG/SF Bogdan Bogdanovic
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Post#27 » by MountainDrew » Wed May 28, 2014 8:46 pm

I will kill a baby if the sixers end up with Vonleh and Adams.
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Post#28 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed May 28, 2014 8:56 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:05/28/14

1. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Joel Embiid
2. Milwaukee Bucks - SF/PF Jabari Parker
3. Philadelphia 76ers - PF Noah Vonleh
4. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
5. Utah Jazz - SG/SF Andrew Wiggins
6. Boston Celtics - PF Julius Randle
7. Los Angeles Lakers - SF/PF Aaron Gordon
8. Sacramento Kings - PG Marcus Smart
9. Charlotte Hornets - SG Nik Stauskas
10. Philadelphia 76ers - SG Jordan Adams
11. Denver Nuggets - PF/C Adriean Payne
12. Orlando Magic - SF/PF Dario Saric
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SG/SF James Young
14. Phoenix Suns - PG/SG Zach LaVine
15. Atlanta Hawks - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
16. Chicago Bulls - PG Elfrid Payton
17. Boston Celtics - C Jusuf Nurkic
18. Phoenix Suns - PF/C Kristaps Porzingis
19. Chicago Bulls - SF/PF Doug McDermott
20. Toronto Raptors - SF/PF Jerami Grant
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - SG/SF Rodney Hood
22. Memphis Grizzlies - PG Shabazz Napier
23. Utah Jazz - PG/SG Gary Harris
24. Charlotte Hornets - SF Deandre Daniels
25. Houston Rockets - PF Clint Capela
26. Miami Heat - SF Cleanthony Early
27. Phoenix Suns - SG/SF K.J. McDaniels
28. L.A. Clippers - PG Tyler Ennis
29. Oklahoma City Thunder - SF/PF Damien Inglis
30. San Antonio Spurs - SG/SF Bogdan Bogdanovic


I highly doubt Ennis will drop past the Toronto Raptors at 20.
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Post#29 » by Flight33 » Thu May 29, 2014 12:47 am

Dr Positivity wrote:05/28/14

1. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Joel Embiid
2. Milwaukee Bucks - SF/PF Jabari Parker
3. Philadelphia 76ers - PF Noah Vonleh
4. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
5. Utah Jazz - SG/SF Andrew Wiggins
6. Boston Celtics - PF Julius Randle
7. Los Angeles Lakers - SF/PF Aaron Gordon
8. Sacramento Kings - PG Marcus Smart
9. Charlotte Hornets - SG Nik Stauskas
10. Philadelphia 76ers - SG Jordan Adams
11. Denver Nuggets - PF/C Adriean Payne
12. Orlando Magic - SF/PF Dario Saric
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SG/SF James Young
14. Phoenix Suns - PG/SG Zach LaVine
15. Atlanta Hawks - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
16. Chicago Bulls - PG Elfrid Payton
17. Boston Celtics - C Jusuf Nurkic
18. Phoenix Suns - PF/C Kristaps Porzingis
19. Chicago Bulls - SF/PF Doug McDermott
20. Toronto Raptors - SF/PF Jerami Grant
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - SG/SF Rodney Hood
22. Memphis Grizzlies - PG Shabazz Napier
23. Utah Jazz - PG/SG Gary Harris
24. Charlotte Hornets - SF Deandre Daniels
25. Houston Rockets - PF Clint Capela
26. Miami Heat - SF Cleanthony Early
27. Phoenix Suns - SG/SF K.J. McDaniels
28. L.A. Clippers - PG Tyler Ennis
29. Oklahoma City Thunder - SF/PF Damien Inglis
30. San Antonio Spurs - SG/SF Bogdan Bogdanovic


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post#30 » by KGboss » Fri May 30, 2014 8:46 pm

Wiggins dropping to 5. HAAAAA. I know teams are dumb but thats a big leap.
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Post#31 » by LloydFree » Fri May 30, 2014 10:00 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:05/28/14

1. Cleveland Cavaliers - C Joel Embiid
2. Milwaukee Bucks - SF/PF Jabari Parker
3. Philadelphia 76ers - PF Noah Vonleh
4. Orlando Magic - PG Dante Exum
5. Utah Jazz - SG/SF Andrew Wiggins
6. Boston Celtics - PF Julius Randle
7. Los Angeles Lakers - SF/PF Aaron Gordon
8. Sacramento Kings - PG Marcus Smart
9. Charlotte Hornets - SG Nik Stauskas
10. Philadelphia 76ers - SG Jordan Adams
11. Denver Nuggets - PF/C Adriean Payne
12. Orlando Magic - SF/PF Dario Saric
13. Minnesota Timberwolves - SG/SF James Young
14. Phoenix Suns - PG/SG Zach LaVine
15. Atlanta Hawks - SF/PF Kyle Anderson
16. Chicago Bulls - PG Elfrid Payton
17. Boston Celtics - C Jusuf Nurkic
18. Phoenix Suns - PF/C Kristaps Porzingis
19. Chicago Bulls - SF/PF Doug McDermott
20. Toronto Raptors - SF/PF Jerami Grant
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - SG/SF Rodney Hood
22. Memphis Grizzlies - PG Shabazz Napier
23. Utah Jazz - PG/SG Gary Harris
24. Charlotte Hornets - SF Deandre Daniels
25. Houston Rockets - PF Clint Capela
26. Miami Heat - SF Cleanthony Early
27. Phoenix Suns - SG/SF K.J. McDaniels
28. L.A. Clippers - PG Tyler Ennis
29. Oklahoma City Thunder - SF/PF Damien Inglis
30. San Antonio Spurs - SG/SF Bogdan Bogdanovic


I like Noah Vonleh quite a bit and have him 4th on my personal board, but the 76ers aren't going to pick him #3. After tanking the season, they have to get the fans back. The immediate backlash would be too much.

Jordan Adams? You must hate the 76ers. I know he is an Analytics star, but come on. I wouldn't draft him in the 1st round. He isn't an NBA athlete. If they were going that route, they would take Kyle Anderson, due to his absurd NBA length. And if they want a SG, they can wait and take CJ Wilcox, with one of the thousand 2nd round picks they have.
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Post#32 » by Wade2k6 » Sat May 31, 2014 1:54 pm

I don't understand a couple of these picks.

First, I can't see the Sixers passing on Exum or Wiggins, and if they did I'd imagine they'd attempt to trade down to #5 with Utah knowing Vonleh would still be on the board and they could pick up future assets. Either way, I think they'd much rather 1) take Wiggins / Exum or 2) use the #10 pick (+) to move up for Gordon / Vonleh / etc. And second, Adams at #10 is a ridiculous reach. No chance they do that.

Payton to the Bulls at 16? From all reports his jumper is broke, not a good fit with that team. They do make up for it with McDermott at 19, but I highly doubt he falls that low.

McDermott, Harris, Ennis all seem a bit too low
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Post#33 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jun 2, 2014 7:50 pm

I'm not sure about Phx taking LaVine. He is almost the EXACT same prospect that Archie Goodwin is and they are high on Goodwin and already have two starting combo guards likely to be around a while.
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Post#34 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Jun 5, 2014 6:23 am

I'm becoming more and more confident that if Wiggins doesn't go 1st he'll fall to 5th.

2. MIL - Wiggins to MIL is all but dead. Chad Ford said Wiggins isn't in their top 3 and apparently the owners gave a Q&A telling them they're happy to get Embiid or Parker. They don't need to GAF about smoke-screening anyone because their plan is to just chill and take whoever of those 2 falls to them.

3. PHI - I'm 90% confident the Sixers are knee deep in using analytics to draft where are anti-Wiggins. It's not just that Noel and MCW fit the stats profile so much (High stls, high stl+blk, high stl+blk+reb+ast) but that they also took Kazemi in the 2nd round. I made a list of Noel, MCW, Kazemi and the 12 non MCW or Noel lotto picks in 2013 and ordered them by stls+blks per 40 minutes. Noel was 1st, Kazemi was 2nd and MCW was 4th, with Adams 3rd. Noel, Kazemi and MCW had higher stl+blk+reb+ast than any of the 12 other lottery picks. I think Sixers go off the board with Vonleh or Smart or something here

4. ORL - I figured out years ago that everyone Rob Hennigan liked had a high feel for the game/fluidity. Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, Tobias, O'Quinn, Lamb, Oladipo all fit the profile. He passes on Noel who was one of the least fluid lotto players and it's not because Noel couldn't play last yr bc Orlando wanted to tank anyways. Anyways to me this points towards the more mechanical Wiggins not being the guy, especially when the alternative is Exum

5. UTA - They take Wiggins who fits like a glove into the Burke, Hayward, Favors, Kanter core 4

If there was odds on things like Wiggins falls to 5, I would be laying down some dough on those odds because I'm very very confident in PHI's analytics and ORL's fluidity being their poker tells
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Post#35 » by RSCD3_ » Thu Jun 5, 2014 4:09 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I'm becoming more and more confident that if Wiggins doesn't go 1st he'll fall to 5th.

2. MIL - Wiggins to MIL is all but dead. Chad Ford said Wiggins isn't in their top 3 and apparently the owners gave a Q&A telling them they're happy to get Embiid or Parker. They don't need to GAF about smoke-screening anyone because their plan is to just chill and take whoever of those 2 falls to them.

3. PHI - I'm 90% confident the Sixers are knee deep in using analytics to draft where are anti-Wiggins. It's not just that Noel and MCW fit the stats profile so much (High stls, high stl+blk, high stl+blk+reb+ast) but that they also took Kazemi in the 2nd round. I made a list of Noel, MCW, Kazemi and the 12 non MCW or Noel lotto picks in 2013 and ordered them by stls+blks per 40 minutes. Noel was 1st, Kazemi was 2nd and MCW was 4th, with Adams 3rd. Noel, Kazemi and MCW had higher stl+blk+reb+ast than any of the 12 other lottery picks. I think Sixers go off the board with Vonleh or Smart or something here

4. ORL - I figured out years ago that everyone Rob Hennigan liked had a high feel for the game/fluidity. Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, Tobias, O'Quinn, Lamb, Oladipo all fit the profile. He passes on Noel who was one of the least fluid lotto players and it's not because Noel couldn't play last yr bc Orlando wanted to tank anyways. Anyways to me this points towards the more mechanical Wiggins not being the guy, especially when the alternative is Exum

5. UTA - They take Wiggins who fits like a glove into the Burke, Hayward, Favors, Kanter core 4

If there was odds on things like Wiggins falls to 5, I would be laying down some dough on those odds because I'm very very confident in PHI's analytics and ORL's fluidity being their poker tells


The funny thing is that if Philly and Orlando pick vonleh and exum and Utah suprises with a left field pick than I can see wiggins falling to the lakers.

I think the Celtics stated that they want Aaron Gordon and I think a lot of GM;s think he has more upsie than wiggins

Basically just as athletic for position and a lot more skilled plus he is a hard worker and an alpha male. Wiggins does not look like a top 6 pick to me,
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Post#36 » by JB2 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 1:32 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:I'm becoming more and more confident that if Wiggins doesn't go 1st he'll fall to 5th.

2. MIL - Wiggins to MIL is all but dead. Chad Ford said Wiggins isn't in their top 3 and apparently the owners gave a Q&A telling them they're happy to get Embiid or Parker. They don't need to GAF about smoke-screening anyone because their plan is to just chill and take whoever of those 2 falls to them.

3. PHI - I'm 90% confident the Sixers are knee deep in using analytics to draft where are anti-Wiggins. It's not just that Noel and MCW fit the stats profile so much (High stls, high stl+blk, high stl+blk+reb+ast) but that they also took Kazemi in the 2nd round. I made a list of Noel, MCW, Kazemi and the 12 non MCW or Noel lotto picks in 2013 and ordered them by stls+blks per 40 minutes. Noel was 1st, Kazemi was 2nd and MCW was 4th, with Adams 3rd. Noel, Kazemi and MCW had higher stl+blk+reb+ast than any of the 12 other lottery picks. I think Sixers go off the board with Vonleh or Smart or something here

4. ORL - I figured out years ago that everyone Rob Hennigan liked had a high feel for the game/fluidity. Vucevic, Afflalo, Harkless, Tobias, O'Quinn, Lamb, Oladipo all fit the profile. He passes on Noel who was one of the least fluid lotto players and it's not because Noel couldn't play last yr bc Orlando wanted to tank anyways. Anyways to me this points towards the more mechanical Wiggins not being the guy, especially when the alternative is Exum

5. UTA - They take Wiggins who fits like a glove into the Burke, Hayward, Favors, Kanter core 4

If there was odds on things like Wiggins falls to 5, I would be laying down some dough on those odds because I'm very very confident in PHI's analytics and ORL's fluidity being their poker tells


The funny thing is that if Philly and Orlando pick vonleh and exum and Utah suprises with a left field pick than I can see wiggins falling to the lakers.

I think the Celtics stated that they want Aaron Gordon and I think a lot of GM;s think he has more upsie than wiggins

Basically just as athletic for position and a lot more skilled plus he is a hard worker and an alpha male. Wiggins does not look like a top 6 pick to me,


Okay this is getting out of hand. Wiggins is NOT falling past 4.. and IMO going 4th is highly unlikely.

As a Laker fan, I'd bust a nut if Wiggins fell to 7 but there is ZERO chance that happens. Boston is rumored to be set on Gordon because they fully expect Embiid/Parker/Wiggins/Exum to all be gone. If Wiggins is there, Silver won't even have to leave the stage to announce who they select. Utah would snatch him up in a heart beat. Orlando would take him over probably anybody in the draft. Analytics can go out the window if Wiggins is on the board, particularly anywhere outside the top 3.

All that said, I hope to god you're right and he's not top 6 but that is pretty much impossible and you're not even close to reality.
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Post#37 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:16 am

I'd do a sig bet that Wiggins is taken top 3
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