The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

[FirmBizBws]

IMO GSW trumps our offer with Klay, Lee, Barnes and taking back Martin and maybe another bad salary. The W's get their replacement for Klay and the TWolves make the playoffs next year along with future assets in Dieng and their pick this year.


As I've said since the Love rumor broke.... HE WILL BE TRADED BY DRAFT DAY. No way Flip holds onto him and loses even more value. Love has stated he doesn't want to go to training camp as a Twolve.

Why on earth would the Warriors give up that much for love? Lol.

Barnes, Lee, filler and picks would probably be as high as they go

[Olliez Bullz]

The Bulls have Nikola Mirotic who they can offer in a trade and he gets comparisons to Dirk Nowitski. He is what makes Chicago a very competitive offer and they also own all their future picks and have one owed to them by Sacramento.

What most people don't realize is Mirotic only wants to play for the Bulls or the Lakers. All teams know this and is the primary reason why he isn't included in the trade proposal to the Wolves. It is also the reason why we traded the Wolves pick in order to draft Mirotic.

[greenl]

IMO GSW trumps our offer with Klay, Lee, Barnes and taking back Martin and maybe another bad salary. The W's get their replacement for Klay and the TWolves make the playoffs next year along with future assets in Dieng and their pick this year.


As I've said since the Love rumor broke.... HE WILL BE TRADED BY DRAFT DAY. No way Flip holds onto him and loses even more value. Love has stated he doesn't want to go to training camp as a Twolve.

Why on earth would the Warriors give up that much for love? Lol.

Barnes, Lee, filler and picks would probably be as high as they go

Why on Earth would the Wolves accept Barnes and Lee as the center pieces to a deal for Kevin Love? That's like us offering Boozer and Jimmy. If the Warriors want him- Klay has to be in the package. At least- that's what I would insist if I was Flip Saunders.

[D_GoLow]

Mirotic would totally be intrigued by playing in NYC.

[Chi town]

I don't think its going to take much to get Melo. I think Boozer, 16, 19 gets it done. PJ's alternative is nothing. No way Melo opts in and loses one more year of his prime, risks injury, and maybe doesn't get the big contract the following year in FA.

I think Taj, Jimmy, Sac pick, and fillers while taking back a bad contract gets it done for Love. That may be trumped by Klay from GSW but I don't know if GSW wants to break up the best 3pt shooting backcourt of all time.


This leaves us with Niko. I this scenario I trade him to the Lakers for their 7th pick which IMO they would do as they get something more proven, cheap, and can play right away with a resigned Gasol.

With the 7th pick we draft a wing or move back, grab two picks, draft a wing and McGary.

No matter what if Love comes Niko has to be traded.

[dice]

two of which are well past their primes, one of which will be in the HOF because he was on the spurs

The Spurs have arguably the best power forward to ever step on a basketball court, along with one of the best point guards of this generation and a legendary international talent in Ginobili. They have a big time championship nucleus.

you completely missed the point. it's not about what they once were

The 04 Pistons aren't a championship model.

did they win a championship or didn't they?

Miami was flat out better than us

certainly. but not by much is my point. they pulled out some wins at the ends of games

and they beat us with three superstars outplaying one superstar. Rose played poorly because he had no other player to take the scoring pressure off him

rose was missing open jumpers that he had knocked down all season long. on a sprained ankle

the heat is not significantly better than they were in 2011 (wade's health, primarily). and it's downhill from here

How aren't they?

see bold

LeBron is a better player and they basically exchanged Bibby, Ilgauskas, Anthony, and House for Cole, Allen, Birdman, and Battier.

how did they only win 54 games this year?

i dunno about this 100 games stuff. they just have to play well when it counts

They aren't talented enough to do so.

derrick rose is certainly talented enough to play better than he did in 2011

overpaying for free agents (clearing cap room for melo) isn't a championship model either. not sure gutting the roster in a trade for a big name is either. but if you've got examples of either i'm all ears

Boston gut their team for Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. How did that end? Basketball is always going to be about quality over quantity. We don't have enough quality.

speaking of all-time greats...

and refresh my memory: who did the celtics trade for those two guys? seems to me they didn't have much of a team before they acquired those two. not so of this bulls team

[HomoSapien]

The Bulls have Nikola Mirotic who they can offer in a trade and he gets comparisons to Dirk Nowitski. He is what makes Chicago a very competitive offer and they also own all their future picks and have one owed to them by Sacramento.

What most people don't realize is Mirotic only wants to play for the Bulls or the Lakers. All teams know this and is the primary reason why he isn't included in the trade proposal to the Wolves. It is also the reason why we traded the Wolves pick in order to draft Mirotic.

The Wolves have a great record of bringing in international players (Rubio, Pekovic, Shved, Kirilenko) -- other teams may be scared off, but I think Minny will be up for the challenge if they're high enough on Mirotic.

[ryannik09]

Bucher is TERRIBLE....I used to like the guy but man has he lost it..... Taj and Butler doesn't work salary wise Bucher, sorry. Oh and Noah he most certainly won't be traded for Love so we even mention it. The guy is **** clueless.

To be fair to Bucher, but it wont matter cuz you guys are savagaes to reporters, he flat out admitted that he has no idea what the Bulls are offering for Love...No clue.

Bucher was dragged into Jackie Mac's mess...ESPN 1000 should have had her on because she is the one with knowledge to offers apparently. Bucher is aware of the GSW offer and situation because he is their sideline reporter...Before he even got on the radio, it was mentioned by Silvy that Bucher was reporting the front runners for Loveto be GSW and Houston.

Thats fine BUT as an NBA reporter is it really that hard to know that the Bulls won't trade Noah?
Is it that difficult to find out if Taj/Jimmy is a salary match?
Why would you even suggest the T-Wolves would ask for Noah? The T-Wolves know thats a non-starter so why would they waste anyones time and why mention that?

Its not hard for him to jump on the radio, talk about what he is hearing on the GS end and then when they ask him about the Bulls its pretty easy.... "Bulls are probably offering some combination of Taj/Boozer/Jimmy and draft picks and maybe Mirotic, Bulls will probably push to include Boozer to match salaries and maybe take back a bad long term contract (Brewer, Budinger) from Minny"

How hard was that???? He knew he was going to be on the radio, that would have taken 5mins of effort before going on the show.

I apologize for thinking that people should put effort into their work and should half way decent at their job.

But this is Bucher we are talking about there is a reason he was fired from ESPN and now writes for Bleacher Report.

[coldfish]

The bulls have several non guaranteed deals. They really can trade taj, jimmy and picks for love using those non guaranteed deals as filler.

[Chi town]

Guys are getting caught up to much on the salary in these trades. Bucher is talking main players not all the other role players and filler to make salaries match.

[danzou]

I hate the Bleacher Report and the fact that it shows up on news sites (CNN!) and google searches...I wish this site would just disappear.

[Chi town]

I believe Flip wants "winners" that will put the Wolves in the playoffs next season. He prob also wants some cap flexibility.

Taj, Jimmy, Unguaranteeds, and Sac Pick for Love and Budinger or Brewer should get it done. Only GSW with Klay can top that.

[jsully84]

What most people don't realize is Mirotic only wants to play for the Bulls or the Lakers. All teams know this and is the primary reason why he isn't included in the trade proposal to the Wolves. It is also the reason why we traded the Wolves pick in order to draft Mirotic.

FWIW, the same comments were made about Ricky Rubio only wanting to play in NY or LA and that didn't stop Minnesota from drafting him.

[ryannik09]

For the Bulls to trade for Love using non-guaranteed deals with Jimmy and Taj.

They would need to send out 5 players, Taj, Jimmy, Lou, Mike James, and Ronnie Brewer and that just gets the deal done.

The T-Wolves are going to want the team (Warriors, Bulls) trading for Love to take back a bad contract (Brewer, Martin or Budinger)

So a deal with just Taj, Jimmy and non-guaranteeds won't get it done, even if you throw in Dunleavy, the trade still doesn't make it through the Trade Machine.

[kyrv]

The bulls have several non guaranteed deals. They really can trade taj, jimmy and picks for love using those non guaranteed deals as filler.

Okay so Boozer does not need to be included? Obviously his contract could be a sticking point.

[number seven]

What most people don't realize is Mirotic only wants to play for the Bulls or the Lakers. All teams know this and is the primary reason why he isn't included in the trade proposal to the Wolves. It is also the reason why we traded the Wolves pick in order to draft Mirotic.

FWIW, the same comments were made about Ricky Rubio only wanting to play in NY or LA and that didn't stop Minnesota from drafting him.

Has anyone researched or mentioned Mirotic's relationship with Pekovic? After all they are fellow countrymen.

[HomoSapien]

The bulls have several non guaranteed deals. They really can trade taj, jimmy and picks for love using those non guaranteed deals as filler.

Okay so Boozer does not need to be included? Obviously his contract could be a sticking point.

Someone suggested trading Boozer, Snell, and Sac's pick to the Sixers for a $22m trade exception. That would set us up really nicely for a Melo trade.

If we can get Love, I think Melo would follow. We'd likely have this starting lineup:

C.Noah
PF.Love
SF.Melo
SG.Hinrich
PG. Rose

If we can find cheap quality bench players, then I would really like our chances.

[coldfish]

The bulls have several non guaranteed deals. They really can trade taj, jimmy and picks for love using those non guaranteed deals as filler.

Okay so Boozer does not need to be included? Obviously his contract could be a sticking point.

Yeah, getting salaries to match up is no issue.

.....

One thing I think people need to keep in mind is that not all teams are out to be championship or bust. Owners aren't big fans of tanking and it doesn't work much anyways.

Trading Taj, Butler and a pick this year + a future pick is a really good deal for Minnesota because it creates a balanced roster.
Rubio
Martin
Butler
Gibson
Pekovic
+ #13 pick, #16 pick and MLE
is a pretty good team. One that can probably sneak into the playoffs, even in the West. For a team looking for relevance, its a great deal. Much better than the Garnett acquisition that put them in the dumpster for the last 6 years or so.

Minnesota isn't going to be looking to shed Martin or salary.

[FirmBizBws]

IMO GSW trumps our offer with Klay, Lee, Barnes and taking back Martin and maybe another bad salary. The W's get their replacement for Klay and the TWolves make the playoffs next year along with future assets in Dieng and their pick this year.


As I've said since the Love rumor broke.... HE WILL BE TRADED BY DRAFT DAY. No way Flip holds onto him and loses even more value. Love has stated he doesn't want to go to training camp as a Twolve.

Why on earth would the Warriors give up that much for love? Lol.

Barnes, Lee, filler and picks would probably be as high as they go

Why on Earth would the Wolves accept Barnes and Lee as the center pieces to a deal for Kevin Love? That's like us offering Boozer and Jimmy. If the Warriors want him- Klay has to be in the package. At least- that's what I would insist if I was Flip Saunders.

Except lee is actually a sold player and Barnes has potential all star talent?

Klaus Thomason for a player not guaranteed to resign is ridiculous


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[Chi town]

1. Get Love : Taj, Jimmy, Sac Pick, and Non Guaranteeds for Love and one of (Budinger or Barea)

2. Get Melo : Boozer, 16, and 19

3. Trade Niko for Lakers 7th pick

4. Trade 7th pick for Suns 14 and 18

5. Draft Harris (need defender to replace Butler) and McGary


Rose/Kirk/Barea
Harris/Snell
Melo/MDJ
Love/Melo
Noah/McGary

3+ in a row!