Marcin Gortat Polish Hammer appreciation thread.

[Hypnotizer]

Gortat wants 5 year contract, 4 year is a minimum. So I expect $10 mln per year like nate wrote, but one season more. Or 4 year $12-13 mln per year.

[nate33]

Gortat wants 5 year contract, 4 year is a minimum. So I expect $10 mln per year like nate wrote, but one season more. Or 4 year $12-13 mln per year.

This could be an interesting avenue to explore. We are the only team eligible to offer him a 5-year deal. Everyone else can only offer 4 years.

So if it is assumed that the best offer on the table is something like 4-years, $48M, would he instead sign with us for 5 years, $50M? If so, we could structure the contract as follows:

$9,709,000
$8,980,825
$9,709,000
$10,437,175
$11,165,350

It's a long term risk, but that really opens up some cap room possibilities in 2015. It's much nicer to be paying him $9M and not $12M. Also, when you think about it, the long term risk may not be such a big deal. With the way NBA revenues are going, an $11M a contract for a modestly over-the-hill center in 2018 might not be such an anchor.

Dare we also make the same type of proposal to Ariza? Instead of 4-years, $32M, give him 5-years $34M

$6,600,000
$6,105,000
$6,600,000
$7,095,000
$7,590,000

With those two guys locked into contracts like this, the team would have max cap room in 2015 if we just managed to dump Nene. We wouldn't even have to dump Webster.

This is important because I'm extremely skeptical of EG having the cajones to dump both Nene and Webster this year, but I think it's definitely possible for him to dump just Nene. After all, Gortat wants a bigger role, Booker has played pretty well, and we still have Gooden, who is "found money" at this point. EG wouldn't be wrecking our continuity if he kept Miller, Gooden, Webster, Booker, Ariza and Gortat, and only let one "core guy" (Nene) go.

[Nivek]

The Wizards already used their 5-year contract on Wall. They can't offer another 5-year contract while Wall is on the roster.

[nate33]

The Wizards already used their 5-year contract on Wall. They can't offer another 5-year contract while Wall is on the roster.

I'm pretty sure that only applies to extensions for players coming off rookie scale contracts. Standard Larry Bird Exception resignings can be five years.

[fishercob]

The Wizards already used their 5-year contract on Wall. They can't offer another 5-year contract while Wall is on the roster.

Is the rule only one 5-year contract or only one five year contract to a guy coming off his rookie deal? I guess it must be the former given that Howard only got 4 years from Houston.

[nate33]

The Wizards already used their 5-year contract on Wall. They can't offer another 5-year contract while Wall is on the roster.

Is the rule only one 5-year contract or only one five year contract to a guy coming off his rookie deal? I guess it must be the former given that Howard only got 4 years from Houston.

IIRC, Howard was a free agency signing, not a Larry Bird Exception resigning. Thus, he could only get 4 years and 4.5% raises. LA could have offered 5 years and 7.5% raises.

[Hypnotizer]

The Wizards already used their 5-year contract on Wall. They can't offer another 5-year contract while Wall is on the roster.

Oh, that changes everything. More migraine pills for Ernie:

[verbal8]

The Wizards already used their 5-year contract on Wall. They can't offer another 5-year contract while Wall is on the roster.

Is the rule only one 5-year contract or only one five year contract to a guy coming off his rookie deal? I guess it must be the former given that Howard only got 4 years from Houston.

IIRC, Howard was a free agency signing, not a Larry Bird Exception resigning. Thus, he could only get 4 years and 4.5% raises. LA could have offered 5 years and 7.5% raises.

The limit is on 5 year extensions. Ariza and Gortat could sign "4 year" extensions which would add 3 years to their current deals. However the starting salary is limited to 7.5% more than their current salary. This means Gortat will not sign an extension. Ariza would likely not due to contract length(wanting a 4 or 5 year deal).

Gory details on extensions:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

Once they hit free agency. They become "Bird Free Agents" and can be signed to contracts that are of any allowable salary and up to 5 years in length. If they sign with another team they are limited to 4 year contracts.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

[Nivek]

nate and fish are correct -- I misread that thing in Larry Coon's FAQ. Five year contracts are possible for Bird exception free agents. The rule I was thinking of is indeed for extensions of ROOKIE contracts. So, this could theoretically affect Beal down the road, but isn't relevant to the Gortat discussion.

[barelyawake]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Well you KNOW that whatever EG does won't be with the future in mind. Historically, he responds in unimaginative, myopic, fearful, reflexively self - protective ways to keep his favorites on the roster. He will pay too much, not even consider the possibility of better options, and in so doing close doors and burn bridges that might have led to many brighter future opportunities. Ernie rolls in the right now, not the what could be. He is an able tactician but at the same time an inept strategic thinker. He is pretty good at checkers but he really sucks at chess. He can only go one move at a time and he does not have the end game in mind.

EG never takes the road less traveled, barely. He is extremely predictable. As sure as tomorrow's sunrise time, Ernie is going to over pay to keep Gortat at all cost.

There won't be any young star added unless he can pull one hell of a trade involving Nene/Webster, or a sign-and-trade involving Ariza.

I want Gortat back and won't be shocked if EG goes and pays 5 years $70M before another team even bids. I've come to expect the absurd from Grunfeld.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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[verbal8]

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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Ariza could produce at a similar rate to what he did that season. Unfortunately Gasol at 34 won't be nearly as good as he was at 28. Also they did have that Kobe Bryant guy who may have played a small part in their championship

[popper]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

This is why I strongly suggested we draft Adams instead of Porter last year. We would have had a decent big man with high upside on a rookie contract instead of paying through the nose for a vet.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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Ariza could produce at a similar rate to what he did that season. Unfortunately Gasol at 34 won't be nearly as good as he was at 28. Also they did have that Kobe Bryant guy who may have played a small part in their championship

Championship experience is the point, not Kobe...

Actually, Pau Gasol posted impressive stats per minute when he returned from injury the season before this one. Yes he is declining and last year's numbers fell off a cliff, but IMO he's still even better than Gortat or Nene.

I am talking about replacing Seraphin with Pau on the cheap. I don't care if you don't like Gasol or you think he's too old. He gives a greater chance for success.

Instead of focusing so much energy on acquiring long shots like Kevin Love or Greg Monroe, I think Pau as an MLE makes tons of sense. He is very available and an unrestricted free agent.

Nate, I expect you to point out that Washington can not afford Pau. I just think they should figure out a way to make him come to DC at a discount.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

This is why I strongly suggested we draft Adams instead of Porter last year. We would have had a decent big man with high upside on a rookie contract instead of paying through the nose for a vet.

WizardDynasty and you were so right about Adams. In hindsight he would have been the best pick by a mile


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[nate33]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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There is no chance at all that Gasol comes here. Why would he? We would only be able to offer the MLE and he can surely get a lot more on the market. And why would we tie up our cap room on a 34-year-old big man? We already have an aging front court. We need to get younger there, not older.

[nate33]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

barelyawake, You and I both know that there is absolutely no chance that EG and Ted decide to blow it all up, let Gortat and Ariza walk, and then wait a year or two until the good free agents are available. Frankly, I can even understand their stance. They don't want a severe backslide now that Wall and Beal have tasted playoff success, they want to keep building. If nothing else, for the sake of Wall and Beal's development.

I'm trying to put together a realistic plan that can keep us reasonably competitive over the next year or two, while also putting us in position to grab a big name free agent. (And in some ways, those two goals go hand in hand. You can't attract a good free agent unless you're already a pretty good team.)

The primary component of the plan is to keep Gortat at a reasonable per-year salary, and dump Nene. I would prefer to also keep Ariza and dump Webster. The goal is to put together a roster with Wall, Beal, Porter, Ariza and Gortat and max cap room in 2015. Doing so would make us an attractive free agent destination, and it would maintain us as a viable playoff team in the interim.

I just don't think any other plan is workable. If a top tier free agent big man was available right now, then maybe EG would let Gortat and Ariza walk and go get him, but the problem is there aren't any franchise bigs available. We have to wait a year or two. EG just isn't going to risk missing the playoffs for a year or two just to maintain flexibility.

[dobrojim]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

I just had to stop right there. OK, we all know Nene has issues but even given all that,
Kendrick Perkins/Josh Smith? Really? Perkins is downright awful. Smith has talent but
no apparent sense of what to do with it. No thank you to either of those guys.

[Dat2U]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

barelyawake, You and I both know that there is absolutely no chance that EG and Ted decide to blow it all up, let Gortat and Ariza walk, and then wait a year or two until the good free agents are available. Frankly, I can even understand their stance. They don't want a severe backslide now that Wall and Beal have tasted playoff success, they want to keep building. If nothing else, for the sake of Wall and Beal's development.

I'm trying to put together a realistic plan that can keep us reasonably competitive over the next year or two, while also putting us in position to grab a big name free agent. (And in some ways, those two goals go hand in hand. You can't attract a good free agent unless you're already a pretty good team.)

The primary component of the plan is to keep Gortat at a reasonable per-year salary, and dump Nene. I would prefer to also keep Ariza and dump Webster. The goal is to put together a roster with Wall, Beal, Porter, Ariza and Gortat and max cap room in 2015. Doing so would make us an attractive free agent destination, and it would maintain us as a viable playoff team in the interim.

I just don't think any other plan is workable. If a top tier free agent big man was available right now, then maybe EG would let Gortat and Ariza walk and go get him, but the problem is there aren't any franchise bigs available. We have to wait a year or two. EG just isn't going to risk missing the playoffs for a year or two just to maintain flexibility.

It's just ridiculous that were forced to spend money to retain Ariza because were afraid of the alternative of having to start the 3rd pick of the 2013 draft.