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Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

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Assuming Embiid goes #1, who is your guy at #2?

Wiggins
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Parker
126
35%
Exum
33
9%
Vonleh
1
0%
Randle
8
2%
 
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1281 » by Badgerlander » Fri Jun 6, 2014 3:36 pm

Bernman wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:I like Locke, has does a good job at breaking down the strengths and weaknesses. He tends to concentrate on the bigger games where guys play against NBA caliber talent. I've always liked his stuff as much as Dx in the past and I think he is spot on in these, just my 2 cents. If you follow him on twitter he spends weeks on each one watching the games over and over breaking them down.


Oh, I think he does a good, fair job evaluating what he sees. It's still 5 games, though.

I think Schmitz is somewhat more accurate, probably because it's his job rather than a hobby, thus he commits to watching more games throughout the season. I find myself agreeing with his assessments, from what I've seen myself, a high majority of the time. That's just my 2 cents.


Locke is the Ted Davis of the Jazz but he has his own website and does a ton of film study and breaks down rookies games every year, and the playoffs etc. I suppose you could call that a hobby if you wanted I guess.
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1282 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 6, 2014 3:49 pm

DocHoliday wrote:Locke is the Ted Davis of the Jazz but he has his own website and does a ton of film study and breaks down rookies games every year, and the playoffs etc. I suppose you could call that a hobby if you wanted I guess.


In the interest of full disclosure, I didn't know his main job, so that explains why he'd have a trained eye.

But at the same time, he's not a professional scout in any capacity (if he had much input with the Jazz he wouldn't be releasing videos of his breakdowns), so it is more or less a hobby even though he works in the same industry.
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1283 » by Bernman » Fri Jun 6, 2014 4:07 pm

On_Wisconsin wrote:If we do trade Sanders/Knight for #7 and take Parker and Smart couldn't we start Wolters/Smart/Giannis/Parker/Henson?


The NBA didn't ban that starting lineup, but I wouldn't recommend it.

I think we can do better short and long-term when it comes to starters in Wolters' and Henson's spots. Wolters has sub-standard physical tools and doesn't standout in any one area, while Henson has awkward movement, and a role player mentality. I'd just relegate Wolters to a back up spot from the beginning, and deal Henson while he still has perceived core player potential. We should take our chances with Payne instead, who has a more consistent shot, reliable personality, and quicker first step.

Besides, I'm in the group who thinks Smart is a point guard, and that backcourt duo without him playing one would create spacing issues.

Zaza or Payne
Parker/Ersan
Giannis/Delfino
Middleton/Adams (move up with both 2nds) or Ray Ray as a swan song
Smart/Nash or Wolters

I'd inquire about Dieng or Asik for Ersan (replacement for Love, complement to Howard), as the main trade pieces. But if I couldn't make the move, that's what I'd run with, along with a hail mary for Moussa Diagne with our final 2nd rounder.

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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1284 » by sidney lanier » Fri Jun 6, 2014 4:11 pm

chonestown wrote:
Flap Jackson wrote:I heard about Andrew Wiggins from an article when he was being recruited by Florida State. Anytime talk of him afterward had my attention, "who is this guy?" I wondered. I kept hearing about his crazy athleticism. Coming into this season, I tried to watch every video I could, "man, that kid can jump" I thought to myself. I also thought, "what a cool name!"

NCAA season takes starts, I tune in intently. Meanwhile I am curious about these other kids Julius Randle and Jabari Parker, so I tune into their games eagerly as well. The first Kansas game I watch is against a nobody. I watch Wiggins every move, waiting ... however, there is this tall dude named Joel Embiid that keeps distracting me. "Holy crap who is this guy?" I start saying to myself. I continue to tune into all Kansas, Duke, and Kentucky games. Parker looks like a pro, Randle looks like a pro, but still I focus mainly on Kansas, because this Wiggins guy can jump high and they tell me he is the next big time player.

In December, it becomes obvious the Bucks might be front runners for the lottery. My focus intensifies. The order of my nightly viewing becomes centered around the Bucks, followed by Kansas (I mean, boy, can this Wiggins kid jump, and they tell me he is amazing) then either Duke or Kentucky with a little splash of Wisconsin, Arizona and Oklahoma State, then all other things NBA. Really though, I was watching Kansas for this Embiid kid, "my goodness" I think to myself, even on his bad plays. I watch, trying to remind myself that there is guy in the game with the cool name and can really jump high. "This Wiggins kid plays such good defense" I think to myself. "Soon ... he is going to show he is a force to be reckoned with ... soon" I kept hoping. Meanwhile, I saw that the other players named Parker and Randle could really bring it. The Randle kid looks pro-ready, but a little sloppy. The Parker kid is obviously the best player on the floor in every game. Still though, that Wiggins guy, he has to be great, they told me so, and boy can he jump and now I know he can play D too! Yippie!

I realized some time ago that defense is an important part of the game, thus, this makes me a basketball genius and therefore I'm going teach the basketball world that defense is important and all will acknowledge me as a great basketball mind, "you mean there is more than scoring points?" they will shout in exclamation as I am the first person ever to notice this part of the game.

As the season goes on, I realize the Bucks have an almost certain shot at landing one of these guys. I watch every Giannis minute I can while checking out the players that might play along side him when Drew takes him out. There was crucial moment in all this. Kansas was playing a full 2.5 hours before the Bucks. Embiid was out with a knee injury. I was going to see Andrew Wiggins completely do something, I don't know what something, but I'm waiting, its going to happen. Midway through the first half I wished Embiid was playing. I was bored. However, I realized Giannis was coming up, and he was like Wiggins, a very athletic tall and long 2/3 player. That was so much more exciting than laboring through this Wiggins game. Still I did .. and I was so thankful to hear the FSN theme song as I flipped between the two games. If I recall, Perry Ellis was kick ass that night and I think I saw Wiggins jump a few times.

I keep watching, absorbing everything I can, about every single prospect who may go in the top five, rooting for the Bucks to lose, waiting for Wiggins to do something. "He has to do something right? He is still projected top 3," I tell myself. He has one, exactly one, spectacular game in an early Saturday afternoon loss. "This is it!" I tell myself, "that amazing guy from Cameroon is out. I'm certain that now Andrew Wiggins will not only jump really high and play solid D, but this is where we see the future." A few more games of watching, anticipating, dying for this kid from Canada who can jump so high to actually play basketball not deliver and suddenly KU is done. That part of the fun is over.

The Bucks finish with the worst record and I suffered through at least 70 of those games. I focus heavily on every interview, highlight real and article regarding one of these kids. Embiid and Parker are obvious ballers, this Exum kid may be the next big thing, but still, they tell me this Wiggins kid is something special and I'm still waiting, "it really could be true," I tell myself and "boy, can that kid jump."

Lottery night comes, the Bucks end up with number 2 ...


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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1285 » by MrPerfect1 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 5:22 pm

DanoMac wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muezq74LoS8&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVbtpCQHi_8[/youtube]


The fact that he describes Parker as a Ball Stopper and a bad Rebounder remains hugely troubling and further confirms why I will be highly disappointed if we draft him. The amount of times in that video where Parker either struggles to finish at the rim or misses out on a rebound due to his lack of explosiveness is quite high.

Good thing he is Elite Defensively......
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1286 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 5:33 pm

chonestown wrote:
Flap Jackson wrote:I heard about Andrew Wiggins from an article when he was being recruited by Florida State. Anytime talk of him afterward had my attention, "who is this guy?" I wondered. I kept hearing about his crazy athleticism. Coming into this season, I tried to watch every video I could, "man, that kid can jump" I thought to myself. I also thought, "what a cool name!"

NCAA season takes starts, I tune in intently. Meanwhile I am curious about these other kids Julius Randle and Jabari Parker, so I tune into their games eagerly as well. The first Kansas game I watch is against a nobody. I watch Wiggins every move, waiting ... however, there is this tall dude named Joel Embiid that keeps distracting me. "Holy crap who is this guy?" I start saying to myself. I continue to tune into all Kansas, Duke, and Kentucky games. Parker looks like a pro, Randle looks like a pro, but still I focus mainly on Kansas, because this Wiggins guy can jump high and they tell me he is the next big time player.

In December, it becomes obvious the Bucks might be front runners for the lottery. My focus intensifies. The order of my nightly viewing becomes centered around the Bucks, followed by Kansas (I mean, boy, can this Wiggins kid jump, and they tell me he is amazing) then either Duke or Kentucky with a little splash of Wisconsin, Arizona and Oklahoma State, then all other things NBA. Really though, I was watching Kansas for this Embiid kid, "my goodness" I think to myself, even on his bad plays. I watch, trying to remind myself that there is guy in the game with the cool name and can really jump high. "This Wiggins kid plays such good defense" I think to myself. "Soon ... he is going to show he is a force to be reckoned with ... soon" I kept hoping. Meanwhile, I saw that the other players named Parker and Randle could really bring it. The Randle kid looks pro-ready, but a little sloppy. The Parker kid is obviously the best player on the floor in every game. Still though, that Wiggins guy, he has to be great, they told me so, and boy can he jump and now I know he can play D too! Yippie!

I realized some time ago that defense is an important part of the game, thus, this makes me a basketball genius and therefore I'm going teach the basketball world that defense is important and all will acknowledge me as a great basketball mind, "you mean there is more than scoring points?" they will shout in exclamation as I am the first person ever to notice this part of the game.

As the season goes on, I realize the Bucks have an almost certain shot at landing one of these guys. I watch every Giannis minute I can while checking out the players that might play along side him when Drew takes him out. There was crucial moment in all this. Kansas was playing a full 2.5 hours before the Bucks. Embiid was out with a knee injury. I was going to see Andrew Wiggins completely do something, I don't know what something, but I'm waiting, its going to happen. Midway through the first half I wished Embiid was playing. I was bored. However, I realized Giannis was coming up, and he was like Wiggins, a very athletic tall and long 2/3 player. That was so much more exciting than laboring through this Wiggins game. Still I did .. and I was so thankful to hear the FSN theme song as I flipped between the two games. If I recall, Perry Ellis was kick ass that night and I think I saw Wiggins jump a few times.

I keep watching, absorbing everything I can, about every single prospect who may go in the top five, rooting for the Bucks to lose, waiting for Wiggins to do something. "He has to do something right? He is still projected top 3," I tell myself. He has one, exactly one, spectacular game in an early Saturday afternoon loss. "This is it!" I tell myself, "that amazing guy from Cameroon is out. I'm certain that now Andrew Wiggins will not only jump really high and play solid D, but this is where we see the future." A few more games of watching, anticipating, dying for this kid from Canada who can jump so high to actually play basketball not deliver and suddenly KU is done. That part of the fun is over.

The Bucks finish with the worst record and I suffered through at least 70 of those games. I focus heavily on every interview, highlight real and article regarding one of these kids. Embiid and Parker are obvious ballers, this Exum kid may be the next big thing, but still, they tell me this Wiggins kid is something special and I'm still waiting, "it really could be true," I tell myself and "boy, can that kid jump."

Lottery night comes, the Bucks end up with number 2 ...


We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Give me five bees for a quarter," you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...


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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1287 » by Badgerlander » Fri Jun 6, 2014 5:46 pm

1. Who's the better player in five years? Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins?

Jay Bilas: I like Wiggins to be better, but it is a really close call. Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised either way. Wiggins has the higher ceiling as an athlete and prospect. He excels in transition and has a lightning quick first step. His shooting stroke is very good, and he is a good free throw shooter that gets to the line. Wiggins is also the superior defender. Parker is ahead of Wiggins on the offensive end, and has more of a hunger to score right now. Parker is more versatile, and comfortable inside or out. He is bigger, stronger, better in the post, and the better and more physical rebounder. Parker is behind Wiggins on the defensive end, both on and off the ball. The one thing that sticks out on Wiggins is he doesn't yet show a killer instinct, or the proclivity to take over. Parker has displayed that more often, but if Wiggins develops that trait, he is the better prospect.

Chad Ford: I agree with Jay on this one. I do really like Parker. I think he's as close to a sure thing as you get in this draft for all the reasons Jay mentioned. Yes, I have questions about his defense -- as do scouts -- but I think he'll ultimately be able to guard 4s in the NBA and even if he can't, he'll be able to score enough to justify being on the floor. He won't be the only NBA All-Star who can't or doesn't guard anyone. Wiggins is more of a risk. While I don't see any way he's a bust, I do think there's a chance Parker has the better career. But there's also a chance that Wiggins' career far outshines Parker. The reason, for me has to do with the physical and athletic advantages he possesses. Most of the elite players in the NBA have freakish physical or athletic characteristics that give them an inherent advantage that other players can't get ... no matter how hard they train. Skill wise, Wiggins is still a work in progress, but I think he'll work hard, polish the areas that need polish and when he catches up with Parker in the skills department, he'll be the better player.
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1288 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 6:09 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
1. Who's the better player in five years? Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins?

Jay Bilas: I like Wiggins to be better, but it is a really close call. Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised either way. Wiggins has the higher ceiling as an athlete and prospect. He excels in transition and has a lightning quick first step. His shooting stroke is very good, and he is a good free throw shooter that gets to the line. Wiggins is also the superior defender. Parker is ahead of Wiggins on the offensive end, and has more of a hunger to score right now. Parker is more versatile, and comfortable inside or out. He is bigger, stronger, better in the post, and the better and more physical rebounder. Parker is behind Wiggins on the defensive end, both on and off the ball. The one thing that sticks out on Wiggins is he doesn't yet show a killer instinct, or the proclivity to take over. Parker has displayed that more often, but if Wiggins develops that trait, he is the better prospect.

Chad Ford: I agree with Jay on this one. I do really like Parker. I think he's as close to a sure thing as you get in this draft for all the reasons Jay mentioned. Yes, I have questions about his defense -- as do scouts -- but I think he'll ultimately be able to guard 4s in the NBA and even if he can't, he'll be able to score enough to justify being on the floor. He won't be the only NBA All-Star who can't or doesn't guard anyone. Wiggins is more of a risk. While I don't see any way he's a bust, I do think there's a chance Parker has the better career. But there's also a chance that Wiggins' career far outshines Parker. The reason, for me has to do with the physical and athletic advantages he possesses. Most of the elite players in the NBA have freakish physical or athletic characteristics that give them an inherent advantage that other players can't get ... no matter how hard they train. Skill wise, Wiggins is still a work in progress, but I think he'll work hard, polish the areas that need polish and when he catches up with Parker in the skills department, he'll be the better player.


I tried to be open minded during this draft season, but man oh man it's so obvious to me that Wiggins should be our guy if he's there at 2. You could talk me into the upside of JoJo but Parker over Wiggins would leave me flabbergasted.

My realgm brethren and I have wanted a Wiggins level athlete for years. A potential two way superstar. We finally get ourselves in a position to get one, and people want to throw it away because of a couple months of a guy playing hero ball for America's most hated college basketball team?

Stay the course. The only thing holding Wiggins back is his demeanor and confidence. Call me crazy but I think there is a pretty good chance that a 19 year old may be able to develop that. He has no physical limitations. I think his floor is Paul George with elite defense. His ceiling is as high as anyone this side of Lebron or Durant. Slightly more "risky" if you want to put it that way, but we're chasing a championship here guys, not a few all star teams.

Good friends who have salivated along with me for two years at the thought of Wiggins have turned because "well, Parker can score, and the Bucks couldn't score last year." I hear things like this and I'm all..

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Post#1289 » by M-C-G » Fri Jun 6, 2014 6:29 pm

I've been a Parker guy since the beginning, but I'll still be ecstatic to grab a guy like Wiggins at 2 as well.

If we did, I think we could still do a deal to grab the 8th pick from Sac around Henson/Delfino for 8/Landry...Assuming the top 5 are;

Embiid
Wiggins
Parker
Exum
Vonleh

That leaves you with one of Saric, Gordon, Smart at the 8th pick. You'd have to feel pretty good about a core of

Knight, Wolters (Micic)
(Wiggins), (Bogdan), Mayo
Giannis, Middleton
(Saric/Gordon), Ersan, Landry
Sanders, ZaZa, Slav

Man, that would be exciting.
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1290 » by pe_it72 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:05 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
1. Who's the better player in five years? Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins?

Jay Bilas: I like Wiggins to be better, but it is a really close call. Truthfully, I wouldn't be surprised either way. Wiggins has the higher ceiling as an athlete and prospect. He excels in transition and has a lightning quick first step. His shooting stroke is very good, and he is a good free throw shooter that gets to the line. Wiggins is also the superior defender. Parker is ahead of Wiggins on the offensive end, and has more of a hunger to score right now. Parker is more versatile, and comfortable inside or out. He is bigger, stronger, better in the post, and the better and more physical rebounder. Parker is behind Wiggins on the defensive end, both on and off the ball. The one thing that sticks out on Wiggins is he doesn't yet show a killer instinct, or the proclivity to take over. Parker has displayed that more often, but if Wiggins develops that trait, he is the better prospect.

Chad Ford: I agree with Jay on this one. I do really like Parker. I think he's as close to a sure thing as you get in this draft for all the reasons Jay mentioned. Yes, I have questions about his defense -- as do scouts -- but I think he'll ultimately be able to guard 4s in the NBA and even if he can't, he'll be able to score enough to justify being on the floor. He won't be the only NBA All-Star who can't or doesn't guard anyone. Wiggins is more of a risk. While I don't see any way he's a bust, I do think there's a chance Parker has the better career. But there's also a chance that Wiggins' career far outshines Parker. The reason, for me has to do with the physical and athletic advantages he possesses. Most of the elite players in the NBA have freakish physical or athletic characteristics that give them an inherent advantage that other players can't get ... no matter how hard they train. Skill wise, Wiggins is still a work in progress, but I think he'll work hard, polish the areas that need polish and when he catches up with Parker in the skills department, he'll be the better player.


I tried to be open minded during this draft season, but man oh man it's so obvious to me that Wiggins should be our guy if he's there at 2. You could talk me into the upside of JoJo but Parker over Wiggins would leave me flabbergasted.

My realgm brethren and I have wanted a Wiggins level athlete for years. A potential two way superstar. We finally get ourselves in a position to get one, and people want to throw it away because of a couple months of a guy playing hero ball for America's most hated college basketball team?

Stay the course. The only thing holding Wiggins back is his demeanor and confidence. Call me crazy but I think there is a pretty good chance that a 19 year old may be able to develop that. He has no physical limitations. I think his floor is Paul George with elite defense. His ceiling is as high as anyone this side of Lebron or Durant. Slightly more "risky" if you want to put it that way, but we're chasing a championship here guys, not a few all star teams.

Good friends who have salivated along with me for two years at the thought of Wiggins have turned because "well, Parker can score, and the Bucks couldn't score last year." I hear things like this and I'm all..

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Amen, preach brother preach!!

We have got to swing for the fences and as a fanbase can not be affraid of it.

Everyone knows there is more risk in Wiggins than Parker. Everyone knows that there is far more reward in wiggins.

Parker can be a star.

Wiggins can be a superstar.

We all know what you need to win championships. Don't be afraid now because there is safety and security in Parker. This is why we tanked.
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1291 » by DanoMac » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:16 pm

pe_it72 wrote:
Amen, preach brother preach!!

We have got to swing for the fences and as a fanbase can not be affraid of it.

Everyone knows there is more risk in Wiggins than Parker. Everyone knows that there is far more reward in wiggins.

Parker can be a star.

Wiggins can be a superstar.

We all know what you need to win championships. Don't be afraid now because there is safety and security in Parker. This is why we tanked.


Word is bond. I literally just came here to post pretty much this exact same thing.

We've all talked about how we need to swing for the fences. "Knock this pick out of the park". Wiggins, IMO, is that home run swing.

Wiggins has answered the "why weren't you more aggressive?" questions with "we had a lot of guys who could score. We formed a brotherhood" I honestly think Wiggins didn't wanna go in there and act like the man and think he would **** things up. He became friends with those guys and I think if the limelight was on him he would have felt selfish, which is awesome for a kid at that stage. Once he gets sat down in the pros, and takes advantage of the spacing in the pro game, he'll be an entirely different player than the one at Lawrence.

In 3 or 4 years, Wiggins may be able to do everything Parker does offensively, but with that extra bounce/step due to the athleticism. That's not to mention his already stellar defense.

Wiggins has a chance to be a top 5 player in the NBA on both sides of the ball. Parker, IMO, has a chance to be top 15-20. I'm taking my chances on the top 5 guy.
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Post#1292 » by Max Green » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:28 pm

I see Wiggins-nation has whipped themselves into a frenzy this afternoon. :D
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Post#1293 » by LUKE23 » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:40 pm

If Knight refocuses defensively and Sanders removes head from ass, man could that team with Wiggins get after people. I'd still trade Ilyasova but he'd be a good fit with that team. I'd move Knight to SG but it probably won't happen. Still, Knight-Wiggins-Giannis-Ilyasova-Sanders is an interesting lineup.
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Re: Official #2 Pick Thread pt. II - New Poll 

Post#1294 » by SCourGe OF GoD » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:46 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
weezybaby856 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Hell, I'd take Nash and give you Knight.


Non sense. No need to just "give you knight", sounds idiotic.

Sanders for #7 and Nash is a done deal. Where can I sign?

#2 - Embiid/Parker
#7 - Smart/Vonleh/Nurkic

Any of those combos is a grand slam and well worth the departure of Sanders. Truthfully I'm even shocked Sanders has that type of trade value.

My favorite combo for 2 and 7 and the starting 5 I'd most like to see next year would be:

Smart/Knight/Giannis/Parker/Henson.

That team would be exciting and fun to watch all the while being the worst defensive team in the NBA giving us a good shot at Jahlil Okafor.

Smart/Knight/Giannis/Parker/Okafor is a poster team for how to properly rebuild.



Sanders going postal on the Lakers can't hurt. He was arguably the player of that game in Los Angeles and he didn't play a whole lot, all of his impact came on defense, locked up the game by setting the tone in 1 quarter.

Yeah we need a rim protector...Vonleh is a nice stretch 4 but id pprefer Larry tbh.
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Post#1295 » by europa » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:49 pm

Ilyasova just needs to go. I can't think of any reason to keep him on a team that should be rebuilding with youth.
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Post#1297 » by Max Green » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:51 pm

europa wrote:Ilyasova just needs to go. I can't think of any reason to keep him on a team that should be rebuilding with youth.


Yeah, I don't want him on this team no matter who we draft.
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Post#1298 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:53 pm

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europa wrote:Ilyasova just needs to go. I can't think of any reason to keep him on a team that should be rebuilding with youth.


Yeah, I don't want him on this team no matter who we draft.

I still don't think anyone wants Ersan after last season.
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Post#1299 » by europa » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:54 pm

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Max Green wrote:
europa wrote:Ilyasova just needs to go. I can't think of any reason to keep him on a team that should be rebuilding with youth.


Yeah, I don't want him on this team no matter who we draft.

I still don't think anyone wants Ersan after last season.


Could be. That's what happens when you wait too long to deal a guy you never should've kept in the first place.
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Post#1300 » by On_Wisconsin » Fri Jun 6, 2014 7:55 pm

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On_Wisconsin wrote:If we do trade Sanders/Knight for #7 and take Parker and Smart couldn't we start Wolters/Smart/Giannis/Parker/Henson?


The NBA didn't ban that starting lineup, but I wouldn't recommend it.

I think we can do better short and long-term when it comes to starters in Wolters' and Henson's spots. Wolters has sub-standard physical tools and doesn't standout in any one area, while Henson has awkward movement, and a role player mentality. I'd just relegate Wolters to a back up spot from the beginning, and deal Henson while he still has perceived core player potential. We should take our chances with Payne instead, who has a more consistent shot, reliable personality, and quicker first step.

Besides, I'm in the group who thinks Smart is a point guard, and that backcourt duo without him playing one would create spacing issues.

Zaza or Payne
Parker/Ersan
Giannis/Delfino
Middleton/Adams (move up with both 2nds) or Ray Ray as a swan song
Smart/Nash or Wolters

I'd inquire about Dieng or Asik for Ersan (replacement for Love, complement to Howard), as the main trade pieces. But if I couldn't make the move, that's what I'd run with, along with a hail mary for Moussa Diagne with our final 2nd rounder.

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Also, just try to get OJ "Extra" Mayo out of town, be it for a guy with 1 year less on his contract, or the same but just won't be a bad influence on the young players.

And that's my draft/lineup/offseason.


That's not my ideal starting 5 either but only an idea.

I'd look to deal Henson while he still has value as well. I'd do everything I can to flip Henson for Nurkic. While I think looking at both Asik and Dieng are good ideas in theory, I would only move Ersan for Dieng. I don't think Payne can play too much 5, but if he can I'd love to be wrong. And I think Smart can play PG too

Smart/Wolters
Middleton/Bogdanovic or Adams
Giannis/Defino
Parker/Ersan(?)
Nurkic/Zaza/Miroslav

*Assuming a Sanders/Knight trade for 7 and we take Parker and Smart and Henson is dealt for Nurkic

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