Rockets are declining Parsons Option

[Pharaoh]

Of those 4 one could actually argue Monroe is the one who deserves the most money simply because skilled bigs are harder to find

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Agreed. Luckily, he's the one we can guarantee to sign this summer.

If SVG can prod a defensive stopper out of Drummond like he did with D12, and organize a defensive system, Monroe's liabilities can be limited. He was able to do that with Rashard Lewis and Hedo in Orlando. Not to mention Jameer Nelson wasn't exactly a plus-defender.

I think that's something people haven't really touched on.

Our D last season was atrocious! Go Back and view any game and then watch how we defend PnRs - it changes constantly from one play to the next!

From what I can gather there was little or zero communication on the floor and no identifiable team structure.

SVG will certainly impact that in a major way. For all the talk of 3s SVG preaches D

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[bballnmike]

Of those 4 one could actually argue Monroe is the one who deserves the most money simply because skilled bigs are harder to find

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Agreed. Luckily, he's the one we can guarantee to sign this summer.

If SVG can prod a defensive stopper out of Drummond like he did with D12, and organize a defensive system, Monroe's liabilities can be limited. He was able to do that with Rashard Lewis and Hedo in Orlando. Not to mention Jameer Nelson wasn't exactly a plus-defender.

I think that's something people haven't really touched on.

Our D last season was atrocious! Go Back and view any game and then watch how we defend PnRs - it changes constantly from one play to the next!

From what I can gather there was little or zero communication on the floor and no identifiable team structure.

SVG will certainly impact that in a major way. For all the talk of 3s SVG preaches D

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I don't know if I've ever seen a worse PnR defense than the Pistons last season.

[Warspite]

Pretty boy Parsons would be a nice pick-up. I would offer a 4yr/30mil(flat rate 7.5mil per year) deal with the 4th year being a team option.

P. Chandler isn't great on defense for everyone who doesn't know.

I would hate to work for you. You seem to always want to pay people about half what the going rate is for any player. Like your the Lakers or Heat GM and you think players are standing in line to get to Detroit.

Are you saying Parsons is worth 15 mil/yr?

I think he's pretty close with that 7.5 number.There's a lot of players in the league right now who are just as good as Parsons only making 7-8 mil/yr, and they don't play for LA/Miami. Why is he worth twice as much as Trevor Ariza and Jeff Green?

The only thing Parsons has going for him is his age, but the only reason youth ever gets a player more money is if he projects to get better as he gets older, and the team is paying up front for what they think he's going to be later. In Parsons case age doesn't matter because he's probably not going to get much better than 17/6/4. He's just not that talented. And 17/6/4 with poor defense does not warrant 15 mil/yr when you have other guys putting up similar numbers who are great defenders and only making half that.

I don't get the Parsons hype. Why does every young player who had a couple good seasons suddenly deserve 15 mil/yr today?

Parsons, Monroe, Leonard, Hayward. These are not max players.

The law of supply and demand.

Parsons is a FA while those other players signed deals yrs ago. Are you saying that Parsons should be paid like it was 2010 during the great recession?

Im not talking about what a players value is but more along the lines of what he would cost to bring to Detroit. 8mil a yr in Detroit is less than MLE in Houston after taxes. How much do you think the Lakers would have to offer him to woo him away from Detroit? Im guessing 80% of your offer and he bolts to the Lakers. So would the Lakers offer him MLE money? Oh course they would.

How much money would you have to offer me to convince my wife to give up AZ for Detroit? Im guessing at least a 50% pay increase to compensate me for shoveling snow again. My wife would most likely still say no. She is already complaining that its too cold in Phx (60F) in the winter.

If you dont want to pay the 2014 rate for FAs and you dont want to over pay to lure people away from LA, Orlando, Houston, Phx and Dallas then Free Agency is not for you.

Nothing wrong with trades to pick up players who signed 2010-2012 contracts if thats what you want to pay. Eventually however your going to have to enter the new CBA era contract costs.

Think about this: Nobody offered Josh Smith a contract but he still only settled for 14mil to come to Detroit.

[Neptune]

^I still would like to know the type of contract you would offer P. Chandler.

[thesack12]

^Yeah Dragic is cheap in of himself, but if you throw a potential 10 mil per Bledsoe in the mix, suddenly you have a 17-18 mil per PG situation. Plus, the minutes would have to find a way of working themselves out. I know the two can play together, but that's definitely not an ideal scenario, especially on the defensive end.

I really have no idea what the Suns' view of Monroe is. But I do know that their frontcourt is pretty lackluster.

Dragic is an 2015 FA. The Suns consider Bledsoe a SG. They believe they can get a Max player or 2 by using cap space and there 6 1st rd picks in the next 2yrs. More than half the team is on a rookie contract and they could have as many as 10 players on rookie deals at one time over the next 2 yrs.

The Suns are after Love and then as they strike out they will move down the list. They believe they need a big3 to compete and Bledsoe is their Franchise player.

Good luck to them if they consider Bledsoe to be a 2. That is a bad elixir, especially on the defensive end. Then again Phoenix hasn't been much for emphasizing defense anyways.

But, you know the Suns a lot better than I do. So if they indeed do view Bledsoe as their franchise player, then they won't let him go under any realistic circumstances, so its moot.

[Q00]

I would hate to work for you. You seem to always want to pay people about half what the going rate is for any player. Like your the Lakers or Heat GM and you think players are standing in line to get to Detroit.

Are you saying Parsons is worth 15 mil/yr?

I think he's pretty close with that 7.5 number.There's a lot of players in the league right now who are just as good as Parsons only making 7-8 mil/yr, and they don't play for LA/Miami. Why is he worth twice as much as Trevor Ariza and Jeff Green?

The only thing Parsons has going for him is his age, but the only reason youth ever gets a player more money is if he projects to get better as he gets older, and the team is paying up front for what they think he's going to be later. In Parsons case age doesn't matter because he's probably not going to get much better than 17/6/4. He's just not that talented. And 17/6/4 with poor defense does not warrant 15 mil/yr when you have other guys putting up similar numbers who are great defenders and only making half that.

I don't get the Parsons hype. Why does every young player who had a couple good seasons suddenly deserve 15 mil/yr today?

Parsons, Monroe, Leonard, Hayward. These are not max players.

The law of supply and demand.

Parsons is a FA while those other players signed deals yrs ago. Are you saying that Parsons should be paid like it was 2010 during the great recession?

Im not talking about what a players value is but more along the lines of what he would cost to bring to Detroit. 8mil a yr in Detroit is less than MLE in Houston after taxes. How much do you think the Lakers would have to offer him to woo him away from Detroit? Im guessing 80% of your offer and he bolts to the Lakers. So would the Lakers offer him MLE money? Oh course they would.

How much money would you have to offer me to convince my wife to give up AZ for Detroit? Im guessing at least a 50% pay increase to compensate me for shoveling snow again. My wife would most likely still say no. She is already complaining that its too cold in Phx (60F) in the winter.

If you dont want to pay the 2014 rate for FAs and you dont want to over pay to lure people away from LA, Orlando, Houston, Phx and Dallas then Free Agency is not for you.

Nothing wrong with trades to pick up players who signed 2010-2012 contracts if thats what you want to pay. Eventually however your going to have to enter the new CBA era contract costs.

Think about this: Nobody offered Josh Smith a contract but he still only settled for 14mil to come to Detroit.

You are talking about two different things. We're saying how much we think he's worth based on his talent and how much we would be willing to pay for those talents. You are talking about how much he's actually going to get paid on the market, and considering there are dumb teams who overpay average talent every year, of course its always possible that a team will make him that huge offer you are implying. That doesn't mean his talent is worth that much, nor that we should want to pay that much for him just because some other dumb team decides to drive up the price.

Those players getting lesser deals in the past had nothing to do with recessions either. As your Smith example pointed out, he got pretty much the same contract in 2013 that he got in 2009.

Players like Jeff Green and Ariza got 7-8 mil/yr deals because that's all they are worth, and that's all they would get in today's market as well. For whatever reason, Chandler Parsons has gotten hyped up into being something more than he really is, and that is the only reason he may get more than that. Just because Neptune and I aren't buying the hype doesn't mean we are valuing his talent wrong.

[Warspite]

Are you saying Parsons is worth 15 mil/yr?

I think he's pretty close with that 7.5 number.There's a lot of players in the league right now who are just as good as Parsons only making 7-8 mil/yr, and they don't play for LA/Miami. Why is he worth twice as much as Trevor Ariza and Jeff Green?

The only thing Parsons has going for him is his age, but the only reason youth ever gets a player more money is if he projects to get better as he gets older, and the team is paying up front for what they think he's going to be later. In Parsons case age doesn't matter because he's probably not going to get much better than 17/6/4. He's just not that talented. And 17/6/4 with poor defense does not warrant 15 mil/yr when you have other guys putting up similar numbers who are great defenders and only making half that.

I don't get the Parsons hype. Why does every young player who had a couple good seasons suddenly deserve 15 mil/yr today?

Parsons, Monroe, Leonard, Hayward. These are not max players.

The law of supply and demand.

Parsons is a FA while those other players signed deals yrs ago. Are you saying that Parsons should be paid like it was 2010 during the great recession?

Im not talking about what a players value is but more along the lines of what he would cost to bring to Detroit. 8mil a yr in Detroit is less than MLE in Houston after taxes. How much do you think the Lakers would have to offer him to woo him away from Detroit? Im guessing 80% of your offer and he bolts to the Lakers. So would the Lakers offer him MLE money? Oh course they would.

How much money would you have to offer me to convince my wife to give up AZ for Detroit? Im guessing at least a 50% pay increase to compensate me for shoveling snow again. My wife would most likely still say no. She is already complaining that its too cold in Phx (60F) in the winter.

If you dont want to pay the 2014 rate for FAs and you dont want to over pay to lure people away from LA, Orlando, Houston, Phx and Dallas then Free Agency is not for you.

Nothing wrong with trades to pick up players who signed 2010-2012 contracts if thats what you want to pay. Eventually however your going to have to enter the new CBA era contract costs.

Think about this: Nobody offered Josh Smith a contract but he still only settled for 14mil to come to Detroit.

You are talking about two different things. We're saying how much we think he's worth based on his talent and how much we would be willing to pay for those talents. You are talking about how much he's actually going to get paid on the market, and considering there are dumb teams who overpay average talent every year, of course its always possible that a team will make him that huge offer you are implying. That doesn't mean his talent is worth that much, nor that we should want to pay that much for him just because some other dumb team decides to drive up the price.

Those players getting lesser deals in the past had nothing to do with recessions either. As your Smith example pointed out, he got pretty much the same contract in 2013 that he got in 2009.

Players like Jeff Green and Ariza got 7-8 mil/yr deals because that's all they are worth, and that's all they would get in today's market as well. For whatever reason, Chandler Parsons has gotten hyped up into being something more than he really is, and that is the only reason he may get more than that. Just because Neptune and I aren't buying the hype doesn't mean we are valuing his talent wrong.

I dont see those 2 things as separate. Most of my employees make min wage and they are all grossly overpaid. However the law says I must pay people twice what they are worth. Parsons has been offered that much money to quit the NBA and become a movie star.

Yeah I would pay LBJ 5mil a year so should I make a thread about bringing in him at that price? Of course not...

[Q00]

The law of supply and demand.

Parsons is a FA while those other players signed deals yrs ago. Are you saying that Parsons should be paid like it was 2010 during the great recession?

Im not talking about what a players value is but more along the lines of what he would cost to bring to Detroit. 8mil a yr in Detroit is less than MLE in Houston after taxes. How much do you think the Lakers would have to offer him to woo him away from Detroit? Im guessing 80% of your offer and he bolts to the Lakers. So would the Lakers offer him MLE money? Oh course they would.

How much money would you have to offer me to convince my wife to give up AZ for Detroit? Im guessing at least a 50% pay increase to compensate me for shoveling snow again. My wife would most likely still say no. She is already complaining that its too cold in Phx (60F) in the winter.

If you dont want to pay the 2014 rate for FAs and you dont want to over pay to lure people away from LA, Orlando, Houston, Phx and Dallas then Free Agency is not for you.

Nothing wrong with trades to pick up players who signed 2010-2012 contracts if thats what you want to pay. Eventually however your going to have to enter the new CBA era contract costs.

Think about this: Nobody offered Josh Smith a contract but he still only settled for 14mil to come to Detroit.

You are talking about two different things. We're saying how much we think he's worth based on his talent and how much we would be willing to pay for those talents. You are talking about how much he's actually going to get paid on the market, and considering there are dumb teams who overpay average talent every year, of course its always possible that a team will make him that huge offer you are implying. That doesn't mean his talent is worth that much, nor that we should want to pay that much for him just because some other dumb team decides to drive up the price.

Those players getting lesser deals in the past had nothing to do with recessions either. As your Smith example pointed out, he got pretty much the same contract in 2013 that he got in 2009.

Players like Jeff Green and Ariza got 7-8 mil/yr deals because that's all they are worth, and that's all they would get in today's market as well. For whatever reason, Chandler Parsons has gotten hyped up into being something more than he really is, and that is the only reason he may get more than that. Just because Neptune and I aren't buying the hype doesn't mean we are valuing his talent wrong.

I dont see those 2 things as separate. Most of my employees make min wage and they are all grossly overpaid. However the law says I must pay people twice what they are worth. Parsons has been offered that much money to quit the NBA and become a movie star.

Yeah I would pay LBJ 5mil a year so should I make a thread about bringing in him at that price? Of course not...

You can't compare minimum wage jobs in the real world to sports salaries. And just because you choose to hire crappy workers who aren't even worth minimum wage, doesn't mean the Pistons have to follow the same approach in free agency.

Also the poster who made the thread said he would offer Parsons 12 mil/yr. So I don't see how you making threads about paying LeBron 5 mil/yr is relevant either.