The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

[Hans Embiid]

Hello Bulls fans. What you guys think about this deal ?

Gibson + C.Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th - Minnesota (around 26 M$)

for K.Love + C.Budinger + K.Martin - Bulls (around 26 M$)

Swap Butler for Snell and I'd do it. Other than that, nope.

You have to make a deal. Can't say we want to keep the core and get star players via trade. This doesn't happen.

[kingkirk]

FWIW for the conspiracy theorists, I heard Flip on ESPN Radio 1500...The discussion was how after the top 4 picks, all the other picks until Pick 19 were all pretty good this year. Flip mentioned a couple of times about this draft having good players until Pick 19 and never for whatever reason went beyond that number.

I would infer that the Bulls package(draft picks 16, 19) hold the some sort of similar appeal as the Boston pick if you add in other assets. And, I think if you add Mirotic..the Bulls package probably becomes much more stronger and not to mention that Love himself has hinted at Warriors/Bulls.

I won't let myself believe we have one of Melo or Love over the line (yet), but i agree with Flip and his assessment of the draft.

After the top 4 picks, it's a fairly even playing field with a deep draft.

I would honestly rather have pick 16 and take someone like Rodney Hood than taking Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon or Dario Saric at 8 or something.

This is why i believe that so many teams are being linked to trading their picks.

Trading down in this draft and turning one pick into two isn't a bad thing, especially if you land 2 picks in the top 20.

[SteelerSpartan]

There's no chance the Wolves take that trade, even if it was just Love. Forget about getting Kevin Martin also. Geez!

Any trade with the Bulls would HAVE to include Mirotic, otherwise there's no deal. Also, the 16th and 19th are not enough.

Of course the Bulls would do that. I think the Wolves would laugh at that offer though. The Wolves fans would be outraged if the Wolves took that trade.

That trade isn't happening.

Hello Bulls fans. What you guys think about this deal ?

Gibson + C.Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th - Minnesota (around 26 M$)

for K.Love + C.Budinger + K.Martin - Bulls (around 26 M$)

You provaly right, you have to include Mirotic too.
I post this trade on the Wolves thread, and everybody liked, with Mirotic also.

Hell no biatch, to that trade .....I'm sure some people would have fun with that 2k roster though.

title favorites like the spurs,heat,thunder,clippers eat up that lineups defense with ease, and people will start to blame thibs much like brooks for not getting more out of the offensive talent....a trade like that sets us back 2-3 years

[Leto]

Hello Bulls fans. What you guys think about this deal ?

Gibson + C.Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th - Minnesota (around 26 M$)

for K.Love + C.Budinger + K.Martin - Bulls (around 26 M$)

Swap Butler for Snell and I'd do it. Other than that, nope.

Tath is impossible.

Yeah, I wouldn't do it otherwise.

[Betta Bulleavit]

There's no chance the Wolves take that trade, even if it was just Love. Forget about getting Kevin Martin also. Geez!

Any trade with the Bulls would HAVE to include Mirotic, otherwise there's no deal. Also, the 16th and 19th are not enough.

Of course the Bulls would do that. I think the Wolves would laugh at that offer though. The Wolves fans would be outraged if the Wolves took that trade.

That trade isn't happening.

Hello Bulls fans. What you guys think about this deal ?

Gibson + C.Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th - Minnesota (around 26 M$)

for K.Love + C.Budinger + K.Martin - Bulls (around 26 M$)

You provaly right, you have to include Mirotic too.
I post this trade on the Wolves thread, and everybody liked, with Mirotic also.

I like Love. But here's the issue that I have with that deal if Mirotic is in it. We'd be taking two less than desirable contracts off your hands and giving you two great defensive players. Boozer's contract sucks, but it's only for one more year. So if we are going to put Mirotic in the deal (a guy that would probably go top 6 or 7 in this draft) then both of those picks would have to stay put in Chicago. That's just my thinking.

[Leto]

You guys are seriously undervaluing Gibson here. He is an elite defensive player and can score as well. I do not see Love's value at anymore than Gibson + 16 +19. You start adding everything we have and you turn us into the Timberwolves who give up 104 points a freakin game.

Screw Minny. They have no leverage anyway. If they want to trade him to a team he won't sign with let them. You don't give up all your assets for a guy who can't play both sides of the floor. If it was Lebron I'd say sure. But Kevin Love is not Lebron James.

[dice]

You guys are seriously undervaluing Gibson here. He is an elite defensive player and can score as well. I do not see Love's value at anymore than Gibson + 16 +19. You start adding everything we have and you turn us into the Timberwolves who give up 104 points a freakin game.

there's a very useful and simplified way of looking at this:

-kevin love is the offensive flipside of taj gibson (love's defense is mediocre, taj's offense is mediocre)
-kevin martin is similarly the offensive flipside of jimmy butler (though calling martin's defense mediocre may be generous, and jimmy has been and still could be solid offensively)

if these are the main pieces of the deal, we're essentially swapping out elite individual defense for elite offense. now, we all know that you take offense over individual defense every day of the week. and both front offices would know that's what's happening. but what is the gap between the importance of 2 offensive players and two defensive players? what can the bulls throw in while staying AHEAD in the trade? probably not much. a mid first rounder or two? maybe. mirotic on TOP of that? unlikely. not beyond the first year of the deal anyway, where boozer's salary is efficiently replaced rather than having to amnesty him, thus trimming payroll

[BullsFTW]

FWIW for the conspiracy theorists, I heard Flip on ESPN Radio 1500...The discussion was how after the top 4 picks, all the other picks until Pick 19 were all pretty good this year. Flip mentioned a couple of times about this draft having good players until Pick 19 and never for whatever reason went beyond that number.

I would infer that the Bulls package(draft picks 16, 19) hold the some sort of similar appeal as the Boston pick if you add in other assets. And, I think if you add Mirotic..the Bulls package probably becomes much more stronger and not to mention that Love himself has hinted at Warriors/Bulls.

I won't let myself believe we have one of Melo or Love over the line (yet), but i agree with Flip and his assessment of the draft.

After the top 4 picks, it's a fairly even playing field with a deep draft.

I would honestly rather have pick 16 and take someone like Rodney Hood than taking Marcus Smart, Aaron Gordon or Dario Saric at 8 or something.

This is why i believe that so many teams are being linked to trading their picks.

Trading down in this draft and turning one pick into two isn't a bad thing, especially if you land 2 picks in the top 20.

This could be the reason the Bulls can potentially move up in the Top 8

[kingkirk]

This could be the reason the Bulls can potentially move up in the Top 8

Yes, but i don't want to move into the top 8.

If we don't land Melo or Love, i'd prefer to bank 16 & 19 this season if Mirotic doesn't come over (who we still haven't heard much on even though his season is done, no?).

[BullsFTW]

This could be the reason the Bulls can potentially move up in the Top 8

Yes, but i don't want to move into the top 8.

If we don't land Melo or Love, i'd prefer to bank 16 & 19 this season if Mirotic doesn't come over (who we still haven't heard much on even though his season is done, no?).

Yeah. I'm hoping for a clarification on Melo before the draft before clearing up cap space.

[Chitownbulls]

Hello Bulls fans. What you guys think about this deal ?

Gibson + C.Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th - Minnesota (around 26 M$)

for K.Love + C.Budinger + K.Martin - Bulls (around 26 M$)

Id probably say yes. Im a little hesitant though, because in Feb, Love will probably be much cheaper to land.

[Chitownbulls]

You guys are seriously undervaluing Gibson here. He is an elite defensive player and can score as well. I do not see Love's value at anymore than Gibson + 16 +19. You start adding everything we have and you turn us into the Timberwolves who give up 104 points a freakin game.

Screw Minny. They have no leverage anyway. If they want to trade him to a team he won't sign with let them. You don't give up all your assets for a guy who can't play both sides of the floor. If it was Lebron I'd say sure. But Kevin Love is not Lebron James.

I agree with you...in Feb, Love wont be worth anything near what we are offering now. Butler, Taj, Mirotic and picks....

[Chitownbulls]

Get me Melo while keeping Taj an Mirotic....I really want to see this team play together

Rose
Butler
Melo
Taj, Mirotic
Noah

Dump Dunleavy, Snell and all the other scrubs (package/sell them with picks?) we have and offer Melo 17-18mil a year. If we have to, bring Mirotic over next year.

[HyMay]

Assuming and only assuming Melo doesn't want to play here. Gibson, rights to Mirotic, sac pick. Or Gibson, Snell, 16, and 19. If you are going to sell the farm it better be for a 1a two way player.

[Chitownbulls]

I feel like the Bulls really want to see Mirotic in a Bulls uni....thats my gut feeling.

Small contract, good production, he should be a really solid player to have for 3-4 yrs until his next contract.

[Ben]

Hello Bulls fans. What you guys think about this deal ?

Gibson + C.Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th - Minnesota (around 26 M$)

for K.Love + C.Budinger + K.Martin - Bulls (around 26 M$)

Id probably say yes. Im a little hesitant though, because in Feb, Love will probably be much cheaper to land.

Unless he's already been traded to another team (this summer), in which case he'll either have signed long-term with them or will presumably sign with his #1 love, LAL, in 2015. So it may well be now or never with Love and the Bulls.

I would probably pull the trigger on the above deal, although not with Mirotic added in and I would try to keep one of the 1st rounders if possible. But I'd probably do it as posed. Bulls could try for a relatively cheap FA to replace Butler; for example, Wes Johnson plays pretty good defense and would probably play it better under Thibs, and he's a passable 3P shooter. Play someone like that along with Rose, KMart, Love, and Noah, and then you have 3 good defenders and 4 capable 3P shooters on the floor together.

Plus, I think we would have the full MLE to use on a wing or backup big man. Paul Pierce, Trevor Ariza (he could probably get more than the MLE, but maybe he'd come to be the starting SF on a title contender), maybe even Marvin Williams?

And bring over Mirotic in another year.

[Mech Engineer]

This could be the reason the Bulls can potentially move up in the Top 8

Yes, but i don't want to move into the top 8.

If we don't land Melo or Love, i'd prefer to bank 16 & 19 this season if Mirotic doesn't come over (who we still haven't heard much on even though his season is done, no?).

Yeah. I'm hoping for a clarification on Melo before the draft before clearing up cap space.

That's the whole point of Flip's quote. IMO, Flip probably values 16 and 19 together more than just one #8 pick in terms of future assets. If Flip is doing that, one can assume many GMs in the league think the same way.

[kingkirk]

I've seen talk about the Bulls being leveraged here to up Boston or GS offer, which may be true, but why can't we be doing something similar to Melo?

We should be saying, "Look, we like you, we want you here, but we also want Love, and he is available now. Let us know what you're planning, otherwise we're going with this dude".

Anthony doesn't have nearly the same amount of bidders that Love does, so we should be playing these situations off of each other if we can if it helps us land one of them.

[Leto]

You guys are seriously undervaluing Gibson here. He is an elite defensive player and can score as well. I do not see Love's value at anymore than Gibson + 16 +19. You start adding everything we have and you turn us into the Timberwolves who give up 104 points a freakin game.

Screw Minny. They have no leverage anyway. If they want to trade him to a team he won't sign with let them. You don't give up all your assets for a guy who can't play both sides of the floor. If it was Lebron I'd say sure. But Kevin Love is not Lebron James.

I agree with you...in Feb, Love wont be worth anything near what we are offering now. Butler, Taj, Mirotic and picks....

This is the other thing I'm tired of hearing. Where, exactly, has anyone said we are offering Gibson, Mirotic, all our picks and Butler for Love? Because that is the worst trade in history. I wouldn't offer that even if he was already signed for 5 years at 15 million dollars.

Seriously, I'm about tired of these Lebron James offers for Kevin Love. Here's what I'd offer them and tell them to stick it if they don't want it:

Boozer, Mirotic, #16 + #19 and possibly the Sac pick. He is not worth more than that. I'm sorry but the guy is way over rated.

Finally, has no one learned their lesson from recent trades? What happened to NYK when they gutted their team for Melo? How about the Lakers when they traded for Howard? Granted, Bynum turned into garbage but look at the package they had to put together to get him only to miss the playoffs. And look also at the Wolves who have never made the playoffs with Love on the team. Never.Really? Joakim Noah led us to more wins than Kevin Love. I'll keep our picks and Mirotic before I send out the farm to get Love. I like our team and we are not far away from being contenders. If Rose comes back liek Rose, we already are contenders. We don't even need Love nor Melo. But, if I had to choose between those two, I'm taking Melo every time. He fits our team way better and we won't have to destroy our identity as a defensive team to get him.

[GimmeDat]

Those who've mentioned Kevin Martin in a potential deal, I'd be more than happy to take him on.

He's already 31, which surprised me, but he still averaged 22ppg per 36 on an offensively talented T-Wolves team.