Marcin Gortat Polish Hammer appreciation thread.

[stevemcqueen1]

It's not so much that we're afraid of playing Porter IMO.

It's that we're afraid of losing Ariza. He's one of the most important guys in the locker room. He's been nothing but team first, he's got the championship pedigree, he's earned his money and his place on the team. Letting all of that go is dangerous.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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There is no chance at all that Gasol comes here. Why would he? We would only be able to offer the MLE and he can surely get a lot more on the market. And why would we tie up our cap room on a 34-year-old big man? We already have an aging front court. We need to get younger there, not older.

Nothing is impossible. Have you ever pulled a stunning woman who you thought no way can I get her? Or, have you denied yourself with a defeatist mindset by saying, "It's impossible. I won't even ask her." Nate, I am shy but I have lived in a women's dorm for three semesters. Free room and board and all the other good stuff including showering in community bathroom. Me and two women just like Jack Tripper on Three's Company . And the roommates didn't argue. Oh, and turning down sex from girls I dream about what if I had thirty years later. Don't tell me something is impossible....

You can dream. Prayers work miracles some time things fall in your lap. Mo Almond he's a guy you make fun of me about but I had a dream and he was on the team.

Pau can be a Wizard.

Why would he want to? First, he's already earned hundreds of millions. He don't need money!!! Others will offer him more money. Can anyone offer him Washington DC? Aren't there other veterans who only receive the mid level exception?

Pau moved to a new town and won a championship once before. He would make the Wizards championship caliber if he just accepted the veteran minimum or the mid level exception.

It is better to give than receieve. Playing for free id sacrificial. He would also receive tremendous good karma in return.

Wins fame good publicity adulation appreciation excellent press no more career stress ever hed be mayor of d_c or the president someday....

Stream of conscience unconscious thoughts as to why, nate.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

I just had to stop right there. OK, we all know Nene has issues but even given all that,
Kendrick Perkins/Josh Smith? Really? Perkins is downright awful. Smith has talent but
no apparent sense of what to do with it. No thank you to either of those guys.

I am looking autographed Morris Almond you sent me, Jim. Thanks!

I don't like those 2 guys either. But I have seen too many guys turn it around to discount anyone. Years ago we hated Rashard Lewis. Blatche was a bum. Remember Metta World Peace right after the brawl?

I met Zach Randolph right after he broke a teammate's face. It was at Pete Newells' Big Man Camp. The media portrayed him as a thug. Nobody thought he had that much game. God has given me obvious gifts. I told Zach he would be an all star.

Jim, I am intuitive. Perkins or Smith or Pau Gasol could hoist a championship Wizards banner. Or not.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I have a tremendous set of gifts and a tremendous set of challenges. I am destined to be world-renowned and Rich. The person smart enough to pay me will benefit from my gifts.

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[Dat2U]

It's not so much that we're afraid of playing Porter IMO.

It's that we're afraid of losing Ariza. He's one of the most important guys in the locker room. He's been nothing but team first, he's got the championship pedigree, he's earned his money and his place on the team. Letting all of that go is dangerous.

And I'd like to point out that spending over $100 million to maintain status quo is also quite dangerous as well.

[Hidden Eye]

It's not so much that we're afraid of playing Porter IMO.

It's that we're afraid of losing Ariza. He's one of the most important guys in the locker room. He's been nothing but team first, he's got the championship pedigree, he's earned his money and his place on the team. Letting all of that go is dangerous.

Ariza is replaceable let him walk and get Sanders.

[barelyawake]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

barelyawake, You and I both know that there is absolutely no chance that EG and Ted decide to blow it all up, let Gortat and Ariza walk, and then wait a year or two until the good free agents are available. Frankly, I can even understand their stance. They don't want a severe backslide now that Wall and Beal have tasted playoff success, they want to keep building. If nothing else, for the sake of Wall and Beal's development.

I'm trying to put together a realistic plan that can keep us reasonably competitive over the next year or two, while also putting us in position to grab a big name free agent. (And in some ways, those two goals go hand in hand. You can't attract a good free agent unless you're already a pretty good team.)

The primary component of the plan is to keep Gortat at a reasonable per-year salary, and dump Nene. I would prefer to also keep Ariza and dump Webster. The goal is to put together a roster with Wall, Beal, Porter, Ariza and Gortat and max cap room in 2015. Doing so would make us an attractive free agent destination, and it would maintain us as a viable playoff team in the interim.

I just don't think any other plan is workable. If a top tier free agent big man was available right now, then maybe EG would let Gortat and Ariza walk and go get him, but the problem is there aren't any franchise bigs available. We have to wait a year or two. EG just isn't going to risk missing the playoffs for a year or two just to maintain flexibility.

It's just ridiculous that were forced to spend money to retain Ariza because were afraid of the alternative of having to start the 3rd pick of the 2013 draft.

A) Nate, my post was in no way directed at you.
B) I don't think we have to resign everyone from last year to bloated contracts to maintain or improve. I think we will be better as a team merely because we went to the playoffs.
C) Why do we never employ methods, like signing and trading or trading for draft picks, like other orgs do? That way, we maintain our assets, but also don't clog our cap with overinflated contracts.
D) I have never suggested that we merely let everyone walk and not have temporary replacements (especially for two years). I think there are several avenues to do both. If Gortat is such a valuable asset, why can't we sign and trade him for a big with a shorter contract? Or an Ariza replacement on a shorter contract?
E) I don't understand why people think that we can trade Nene for nothing, but must resign Gortat. I don't understand that logic at all, especially when Gortat will become a liability once resigned and Nene becomes a bigger asset the longer we hold him (because of his expiring contract).
F) Gortat is not a core piece to a championship team. He doesn't get enough foul calls to run the offense through, in a playoff situation. And he isn't a game changing defensive player. And since we built a team without a core, young big (which I've been screaming to draft for half a decade), we need to focus not on backsliding, but how to acquire a key missing component. Because the backsliding will occur as teams pass us because they got better, and we overspent to stay the same (and locked ourselves in for the next four years).

[verbal8]

It's not so much that we're afraid of playing Porter IMO.

It's that we're afraid of losing Ariza. He's one of the most important guys in the locker room. He's been nothing but team first, he's got the championship pedigree, he's earned his money and his place on the team. Letting all of that go is dangerous.

On a long term deal, you can't pay a player for what they have produced. You have to factor in what you expect them to produce. Probably the next 2 years will be close to the his past 2 years, however it is reasonable to expect him start to have a decline in production the last 2 years of his contract.

[nate33]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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There is no chance at all that Gasol comes here. Why would he? We would only be able to offer the MLE and he can surely get a lot more on the market. And why would we tie up our cap room on a 34-year-old big man? We already have an aging front court. We need to get younger there, not older.

Nothing is impossible. Have you ever pulled a stunning woman who you thought no way can I get her? Or, have you denied yourself with a defeatist mindset by saying, "It's impossible. I won't even ask her." Nate, I am shy but I have lived in a women's dorm for three semesters. Free room and board and all the other good stuff including showering in community bathroom. Me and two women just like Jack Tripper on Three's Company . And the roommates didn't argue. Oh, and turning down sex from girls I dream about what if I had thirty years later. Don't tell me something is impossible....

While I appreciate the inspirational speech, that doesn't change the fact that Gasol has lots more options available to him where he would make more money and/or have a better chance of winning.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Could Ernie's package score Pau?

[Induveca]

I have a tremendous set of gifts and a tremendous set of challenges. I am destined to be world-renowned and Rich. The person smart enough to pay me will benefit from my gifts.

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Having a little rum last eve CCJ?

[Hypnotizer]

Top 25 NBA Free Agents' Player Impact Estimate by nba.com:

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#   Name              PIE%  Team

1.  LeBron James      20.0  MIA
2.  Carmelo Anthony   16.2  NYK
3.  Dirk Nowitzki     16.1  DAL
4.  Tim Duncan        15.4  SAS
5.  Dwyane Wade       14.4  MIA
6.  Eric Bledsoe      14.1  PHX
7.  Kyle Lowry        13.8  TOR
8.  Isaiah Thomas     13.6  SAC
9.  Pau Gasol         13.6  LAL
10. Kris Humphries    13.2  BOS



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#   Name              PIE%  Team

11. Jordan Hill       12.9  LAL
12. Zach Randolph     12.8  MEM
13. Lance Stephenson  12.7  IND
14. Chris Bosh        12.6  MIA
15. Marcin Gortat     12.5  WAS
16. Andray Blatche    12.4  BKN
17. Rudy Gay          12.4  TOR/SAC
18. Paul Pierce       12.0  BKN
19. Amar'e Stoudemire 12.0  NYK
20. Patty Mills       12.0  SAS



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#   Name              PIE%  Team

21. Chris Andersen    11.8  MIA
22. Greg Monroe       11.8  DET
23. D.J. Augustin     11.7  CHI
24. Ramon Sessions    11.4  MIL
25. Gordon Hayward    11.2  UTA



[dckingsfan]

Thanks for the list Hypnotizer, wonder where Ariza sits?

[payitforward]

Right so, as I said, we are going to overpay Gortat on both years and dollars. And we are going to do so BEFORE we have a young, star big on the roster, thus dramatically limiting our future options to acquire one. It sounds like the perfect storm of bad ideas.

This is why I strongly suggested we draft Adams instead of Porter last year. We would have had a decent big man with high upside on a rookie contract instead of paying through the nose for a vet.

WizardDynasty and you were so right about Adams. In hindsight he would have been the best pick by a mile

It certainly could turn out that way -- but, we do have to wait on e.g. what Nerlens Noel does. And... lets give Otto Porter a chance too!

Oh, and not to mention Giannis Alottaletters! And Mason Plumlee had a terrific rookie year as well.

Both the Thunder and the Wolves might have traded their 2 later R1 picks for our #3 -- had it been the Wolves we'd have been able to grab Giannis and Dieng/Plumlee. If the Thunder, then Adams/Giannis and... Rudy Gobert(?).

But this is pure hindsight and not to the point. But it does illustrate that, if you are good at evaluating talent, trading down from a high pick can be a great move.

[payitforward]

Seems to me EG's best moves would be to pay to retain both Gortat and Ariza, and to trade Nene for either Josh Smith or Kendrick Perkins. If neither deal is available try to sign Pau Gasol on the cheap.

If EG can secure Ariza and Gortat plus either of Smith, Perkins, or Gasol; then he could possibly be executive of the year next season.

The Wizards need to contact Gasol for sure. Gortat + Gasol + Ariza = Greater Possible Success for Washington. Pau and Trevor Ariza already won a championship together.

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There is no chance at all that Gasol comes here. Why would he? We would only be able to offer the MLE and he can surely get a lot more on the market. And why would we tie up our cap room on a 34-year-old big man? We already have an aging front court. We need to get younger there, not older.

Nothing is impossible. Have you ever pulled a stunning woman who you thought no way can I get her? Or, have you denied yourself with a defeatist mindset by saying, "It's impossible. I won't even ask her." Nate, I am shy but I have lived in a women's dorm for three semesters. Free room and board and all the other good stuff including showering in community bathroom. Me and two women just like Jack Tripper on Three's Company . And the roommates didn't argue. Oh, and turning down sex from girls I dream about what if I had thirty years later. Don't tell me something is impossible....

You can dream. Prayers work miracles some time things fall in your lap. Mo Almond he's a guy you make fun of me about but I had a dream and he was on the team.

Pau can be a Wizard. /quote]
But CCJ... we don't have a women's dorm for him to live in!

[payitforward]

I have a tremendous set of gifts and a tremendous set of challenges. I am destined to be world-renowned and Rich.

Who's "Rich?"

[payitforward]

This...

...B) I don't think we have to resign everyone from last year to bloated contracts to maintain or improve. I think we will be better as a team merely because we went to the playoffs.

...is known as "magical thinking." Better at what? Better rebounding because we went to the playoffs? Better FT% ? Or... what?

This, on the other hand...

F) ...since we built a team without a core, young big (which I've been screaming to draft for half a decade), we need to focus not on backsliding, but how to acquire a key missing component. Because the backsliding will occur as teams pass us because they got better, and we overspent to stay the same (and locked ourselves in for the next four years).

...makes a lot of sense.

[dobrojim]

to my friend CCJ, no one here or anywhere else would be more appropriate
than you to have a Wizards Mo Almond autographed picture. From the moment
I came across it in the clutter of my house, there was only one possible thing
to do with it.

[Dat2U]

Top 25 NBA Free Agents' Player Impact Estimate by nba.com:

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#   Name              PIE%  Team

1.  LeBron James      20.0  MIA
2.  Carmelo Anthony   16.2  NYK
3.  Dirk Nowitzki     16.1  DAL
4.  Tim Duncan        15.4  SAS
5.  Dwyane Wade       14.4  MIA
6.  Eric Bledsoe      14.1  PHX
7.  Kyle Lowry        13.8  TOR
8.  Isaiah Thomas     13.6  SAC
9.  Pau Gasol         13.6  LAL
10. Kris Humphries    13.2  BOS



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#   Name              PIE%  Team

11. Jordan Hill       12.9  LAL
12. Zach Randolph     12.8  MEM
13. Lance Stephenson  12.7  IND
14. Chris Bosh        12.6  MIA
15. Marcin Gortat     12.5  WAS
16. Andray Blatche    12.4  BKN
17. Rudy Gay          12.4  TOR/SAC
18. Paul Pierce       12.0  BKN
19. Amar'e Stoudemire 12.0  NYK
20. Patty Mills       12.0  SAS



Code: Select all

#   Name              PIE%  Team

21. Chris Andersen    11.8  MIA
22. Greg Monroe       11.8  DET
23. D.J. Augustin     11.7  CHI
24. Ramon Sessions    11.4  MIL
25. Gordon Hayward    11.2  UTA



Turrible list though. Humphries higher than Bosh? Blatche better than Monroe or Andersen. Sessions ahead of Hayward? Ariza no where to be found?

[fishercob]

I have a tremendous set of gifts and a tremendous set of challenges. I am destined to be world-renowned and Rich.

Who's "Rich?"

I say we all fulfill our good friend CCJ's destiny and start calling him Rich.