The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

[JamesConway]

Love and Noah wold absolutely dominate the boards, then use Love's outlet passing to get into transition with Rose and Butler leaking out. Hopefully we could add one more athletic wing down the line.

*A wing that could shoot the ball, 'cause you always need at least two 40%-threats from three to space the floor. Especially with a guy like Rose on the floor driving to the rim like crazy. But that's assuming he can get healthy...

Overall I'd really love to see Love play next to Noah. Could be a bit like Dirk/Chandler back in '11 and complement each other perfectly. Such a frontcourt would have huge positive effects on both ends of the floor given Noah's ability to protect the rim/block guards trying to drive to the rim (and cover up KLove on defense) and Love being able to stretch the floor + work in the post.

Love would finally be used/covered properly. Pek is simply not the guy to play next to him. Reminds me also a lot about Dirk once again - but last year when he had to play next to Kaman who's also mediocre on defense and needs tons of plays run for him on offense.

Gotta stick with the stretch 4 + defensive-minded Center-formula. That's the perfect recipe to succeed.

[nitetrain8603]

All of these deals depend on Niko. If he won't go to MIN then it has to be Taj.

If NIko won't play for anyone but the Bulls then he needs to be signed now so he could be used in a future trade as an asset. I don't want him here if Love is coming though. I'd prefer to trade him to NYK with Boozer for Melo. Which IMO is plenty to get Melo.

Taj, Butler, MDJ, Sac Pick for Love, Brewer

Boozer, NIko for Melo

16 - Hood

19 McGary


I know it won't happen but it could.

You're not keeping those draft picks if you plan on dealing for both.

[tony36]

These Love threads remind me so much of the old KG ones. Right down to outraged Twolves fans coming in thinking they are going to gut every asset a team has for a player that no longer wants to be there - good luck, not happening. Nor does it jive with historical return of players in similar positions. You aren't getting full value due to the circumstances, so prepare to be outraged when a Love deal does finally happen, to whatever team.

And on the Bulls fan side, no one should be eager for a trade at all costs. The team is not done just upon getting Love. We cannot give up Mirotic, Gibson, Butler, and all our picks, how do you make the team better going forward with absolutely no assets?

The hardline has to be keeping one of Gibson or Mirotic (Nikola even if to use to get a wing later on). Or if those two are in then keeping the picks.

I'm not a Wolves fan. I just think it hilarious that some of you think you can give peanuts and get Love. Gibson and two mid round firsts is not nearly enough. That's not enough to get into the top 5, let alone get Love. The Wolves would have asked for a top 5 pick PLUS MORE.

You're right and wrong. It's bad business to empty the farm for a player, but you're wrong in thinking because it would take you less than your full assets. Just because the Bulls don't have more assets to trade does NOT mean that you can get away with trading less. It just means the Bulls don't have enough to trade for Love.

[Rerisen]

You're right and wrong. It's bad business to empty the farm for a player, but you're wrong in thinking because it would take you less than your full assets. Just because the Bulls don't have more assets to trade does NOT mean that you can get away with trading less. It just means the Bulls don't have enough to trade for Love.

Maybe no team has enough by that measure? What then if you are Minny, lose him for nothing?

In reality then you take the best offer. Apparently not even Boston's offer is high enough so far, so most likely they won't gut their team either.

That's the problem when your superstar is letting it be known he is leaving, it just sucks and sometimes you have to settle.

Doesn't mean the settle will be with the Bulls at all, but my bet whoever it ends up being, Minny fans will be mad and think they didn't get enough. Because 'enough' is always going to be fair value in fans minds and that is just unlikely in this circumstance.

[mysticbb]

I just think it hilarious that some of you think you can give peanuts and get Love.

Well, such statement sounds weird, because in reality Gibson alone should not be considered "peanuts".

The Wolves would have asked for a top 5 pick PLUS MORE.

Mirotic would be that Top5 pick. Boozer+Mirotic+#16+#19#Kings pick would be "Top5 pick PLUS MORE". ;)

It just means the Bulls don't have enough to trade for Love.

Bulls have enough assets to trade for Love ... they sure as hell have ...

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Nobody is gutting their team for Love - if they were the trade would have already happened.

I think Minny fans are going to be disappointed and Bulls fans pissed when they see what another team traded for Love.

[Leto]

However, I'm not even sure I'd trade for him. I like Taj at the 4 spot because of his defense. That is our identity as a team.

Yeah, and Love is incredibe better offensively, where the current identity of the team is: playing way below average.

Bringing in Love disrupts that identity.

Love is better as a defensive player than Carlos Boozer, and that's the main issue here. The Bulls had their "defensive identity" when they had Boozer playing, it makes about ZERO sense to assume that this would change, if Love is replacing Boozer.

Instead, plug Melo in Dunleavy's/Deng's role and add Rose back to the mix, and I think we are contending and maintaining our team identity.

Anthony is a worse team defender than Love ... really, your argumentation makes no sense or is simply just based on false beliefs.

Two things: Offensively, we were playing with no Derrick Rose. Add Rose to the mix and all of a sudden our offense gets leagues better.

Secondly, Love isn't "better" than Boozer on defense. He flat out sucks ass on defense. He turns and rebounds. He doesn't challange shots, he can't gaurd on-ball and he can't gaurd P&R. But more importantly, Boozer did NOT play in the 4th quarter because he sucked on defense. Our identity is defense and neither Booz nor Love fit that mold.

Anthony is not a "worse" team defender than Love. Love is a PF that does not protect the rim. He's terribad. I don't think there's any question that Melo is the better fit for this team given that we have a starting PF already. We need a scoring wing which we still won't have even if Love comes.

[red222]

Minny doesn't want to rebuild the Bulls offer is more what they would be looking for imo.

[kuly1990]

for first time i agree with Friedell, that Melo should be our first choice to go for, and i really hope that we dont overpay for Love, if we can get him with our offer, than dont go for him, go other way...

Yeah, if I have the choice the between a 30yr old 27.4/8.1/3.1 at 56 TS% in 39 mpg guy and a 26yr old 26.1/12.5/4.4 at 59 TS% in 36 mpg guy, obviously the top choice should be the older player.

he is not 38 man, its not about age its about fit!

[Magilla_Gorilla]

These Love threads remind me so much of the old KG ones. Right down to outraged Twolves fans coming in thinking they are going to gut every asset a team has for a player that no longer wants to be there - good luck, not happening. Nor does it jive with historical return of players in similar positions. You aren't getting full value due to the circumstances, so prepare to be outraged when a Love deal does finally happen, to whatever team.

And on the Bulls fan side, no one should be eager for a trade at all costs. The team is not done just upon getting Love. We cannot give up Mirotic, Gibson, Butler, and all our picks, how do you make the team better going forward with absolutely no assets?

The hardline has to be keeping one of Gibson or Mirotic (Nikola even if to use to get a wing later on). Or if those two are in then keeping the picks.

I'm not a Wolves fan. I just think it hilarious that some of you think you can give peanuts and get Love. Gibson and two mid round firsts is not nearly enough. That's not enough to get into the top 5, let alone get Love. The Wolves would have asked for a top 5 pick PLUS MORE.

You're right and wrong. It's bad business to empty the farm for a player, but you're wrong in thinking because it would take you less than your full assets. Just because the Bulls don't have more assets to trade does NOT mean that you can get away with trading less. It just means the Bulls don't have enough to trade for Love.

You're not a wolves fan - but you've spent time on their board trying to convince them just how much better the Celtics offer is. Appreciate your input.

[Mattchoo]

Going to be a fun june and july



Cba experts, are there rules that disallow the bulls to sign Deng as a fa since they traded him




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[TheSuzerain]

Going to be a fun june and july



Cba experts, are there rules that disallow the bulls to sign Deng as a fa since they traded him




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No.

The only thing preventing us from re-signing Deng is rational thought.

[bullslas]

Noah
Love
Deng
Martin
Rose

Mirotic, Brewer, DJ, Smith, Kirk on the bench
Championship, Thibs is happy as he gets Deng back.

[red222]

Noah
Love
Deng
Martin
Rose

Mirotic, Brewer, DJ, Smith, Kirk on the bench
Championship, Thibs is happy as he gets Deng back.

interesting

[TheStig]

These Love threads remind me so much of the old KG ones. Right down to outraged Twolves fans coming in thinking they are going to gut every asset a team has for a player that no longer wants to be there - good luck, not happening. Nor does it jive with historical return of players in similar positions. You aren't getting full value due to the circumstances, so prepare to be outraged when a Love deal does finally happen, to whatever team.

And on the Bulls fan side, no one should be eager for a trade at all costs. The team is not done just upon getting Love. We cannot give up Mirotic, Gibson, Butler, and all our picks, how do you make the team better going forward with absolutely no assets?

The hardline has to be keeping one of Gibson or Mirotic (Nikola even if to use to get a wing later on). Or if those two are in then keeping the picks.

I'm not a Wolves fan. I just think it hilarious that some of you think you can give peanuts and get Love. Gibson and two mid round firsts is not nearly enough. That's not enough to get into the top 5, let alone get Love. The Wolves would have asked for a top 5 pick PLUS MORE.

You're right and wrong. It's bad business to empty the farm for a player, but you're wrong in thinking because it would take you less than your full assets. Just because the Bulls don't have more assets to trade does NOT mean that you can get away with trading less. It just means the Bulls don't have enough to trade for Love.

Stars are very rarely traded for value. The top 10 players are worth so much more than anything outside of that. There is always a lessor return for the team trading away a star. The returns are even worse when the star says he won't resign. And has a limited list of teams he will resign with.

The only deal we could make to offer fair value for Love would be Noah and Butler. And that makes us a worse team.

[TheStig]

Noah
Love
Deng
Martin
Rose

Mirotic, Brewer, DJ, Smith, Kirk on the bench
Championship, Thibs is happy as he gets Deng back.

Are you volunteering to go and kidnap Deng in a burlap sack? Because if we are going the illegal route, I'd rather have Durant.

[MrFortune3]

Going to be a fun june and july



Cba experts, are there rules that disallow the bulls to sign Deng as a fa since they traded him




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Only time you cannot sign a FA is when you trade them and they get bought out or you amnesty them.

[Red Larrivee]

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Cba experts, are there rules that disallow the bulls to sign Deng as a fa since they traded him




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Deng still wants big money and he didn't do himself any favors in Cleveland. He's just not worth it.

[Chitownbulls]

I like Love a lot but I dont know man. Taj, Butler, Mirotic and picks......just seems like a lot. Especailly if Mirotic can be a poormans Love. I feel Mirotic is a #3 that can put up 14-16ppg 5-6reb while only making 3-4million compared to Loves 20mil or whatever he would make.

Mirotic play and contract is going to be huge for the Bulls imo. Hes 23-24yrs old ready to play solid minutes in the NBA right now. IMO hes deff going to outplay his contract for 3-4yrs. Which is huge for us so we can spend money elsewhere.

[Chi town]

All of these deals depend on Niko. If he won't go to MIN then it has to be Taj.

If NIko won't play for anyone but the Bulls then he needs to be signed now so he could be used in a future trade as an asset. I don't want him here if Love is coming though. I'd prefer to trade him to NYK with Boozer for Melo. Which IMO is plenty to get Melo.

Taj, Butler, MDJ, Sac Pick for Love, Brewer

Boozer, NIko for Melo

16 - Hood

19 McGary


I know it won't happen but it could.

You're not keeping those draft picks if you plan on dealing for both.

Leverage. NYK and MIN won't have any. 2 Starters and a vet bench shooter plus a future lottery pick is plenty for a player that wants out.

Niko is an excellent return for a player that will otherwise leave for nothing. If he wants to come here he would otherwise take less money while we amnesty boozer.

16 and 19 get us cheap depth with a great fit from winning programs.