What will the Cavs do/What should the Cavs do?

[jbk1234]

Obviously the Cavs are in a great position going forward. Depending on what the FO does, they could come out of this off season with a roster that contends in the East.

I am concerned that the Cavs are going to overpay for Love first, and then try to build around Love and Kyrie with the assets they have left. Griifins comments regarding everyone and everything being available for immediate and drastic improvement concern me. So I will lay out some of their big decisions and my fellow Cavs fans can tell me what they think will happen.

Keep or trade the No. 1 pick? I think they should keep it even if it means being a .500 club next year with a more promising future. I suspect they are going to trade it.

Keep or trade Dion? I think they should keep Dion as I don't think he's reached his ceiling, he has more fight in him than anyone on the roster, and he is already a good player. I suspect they are going to move him because Kyrie is the bigger "star."

Keep or trade Kyrie? I suspect that they are going keep Kyrie because of the star factor and be obligated to pay him considerable money for the next three five years? I think they should still see what trade offers are available for him, or a minimum, slide him over to the 2 where he can be hidden on defense. If Orlando is willing to trade No. 4 for Kyrie, the Cavs should consider that trade.

Keep or trade TT? I think they should trade TT and I think they will. Rather than overpay for Love, I would trade him for David Lee straight up. I suspect he's one of the .25 cent pieces we use in a trade for Love. I suspect that the ultimate cost of the Love trade will be like $2.00 of good/great assets for $1.00 of Love.

Make moves with an eye toward LBJ coming back? I suspect they will try to lure James back and build an immediate big 3 with Kyrie, Love and James. I think that is too much of a long shot and we cannot continue to build around a player who isn't here.

Thoughts.

[Brovva Blaqq]

Are you serious?

[wadelebronbosh]

Obviously the Cavs are in a great position going forward. Depending on what the FO does, they could come out of this off season with a roster that contends in the East.

I am concerned that the Cavs are going to overpay for Love first, and then try to build around Love and Kyrie with the assets they have left. Griifins comments regarding everyone and everything being available for immediate and drastic improvement concern me. So I will lay out some of their big decisions and my fellow Cavs fans can tell me what they think will happen.

Keep or trade the No. 1 pick? I think they should keep it even if it means being a .500 club next year with a more promising future. I suspect they are going to trade it.

Keep or trade Dion? I think they should keep Dion as I don't think he's reached his ceiling, he has more fight in him than anyone on the roster, and he is already a good player. I suspect they are going to move him because Kyrie is the bigger "star."

Keep or trade Kyrie? I suspect that they are going keep Kyrie because of the star factor and be obligated to pay him considerable money for the next three five years? I think they should still see what trade offers are available for him, or a minimum, slide him over to the 2 where he can be hidden on defense. If Orlando is willing to trade No. 4 for Kyrie, the Cavs should consider that trade.

Keep or trade TT? I think they should trade TT and I think they will. Rather than overpay for Love, I would trade him for David Lee straight up. I suspect he's one of the .25 cent pieces we use in a trade for Love. I suspect that the ultimate cost of the Love trade will be like $2.00 of good/great assets for $1.00 of Love.

Make moves with an eye toward LBJ coming back? I suspect they will try to lure James back and build an immediate big 3 with Kyrie, Love and James. I think that is too much of a long shot and we cannot continue to build around a player who isn't here.

Thoughts.

Interesting post. Personally, I'd do:

1. Trade #1 + #Thompson for Love
2. Sign Bron/Melo

PG: Irving
SG: Waiters
SF: Bron/Melo
PF: Love
C: Hawes

Looks like a dynasty to me. How about a totally different direction:

1. Draft Wiggins
2. Trade Kyrie + Zeller for #4 + #12 + NIcholson (Magic get their PG)
3. Trade #4 + Varajeo for #6 and Olynyk (Ainge gets Exum)
4. Trade #6 + Waiters for #7 + Nash + Sacre (Lakers get some offense)
5. Draft Ennis @ 7 and Stauskas @ 12
6. Hire Jay Triano
7. Sign Cory Joseph in 2015
8. Championship 2018+ (Nash as assistant coach)

PG: Ennis (pass first), Jack, (Cory Joseph in 2015)
SG: Wiggins (shooter and lobs), Stauskus (shooter)
SF: Bennett (3pt + banger), Nicholson, Wiggins
PF: Thompson (banger), Nicholson, Bennett
C: Olynyk (elbows + 3pt), Sacre

Remember that the Golden Generation of Argentina almost beat USA (Ginobli, Scola, Oberto, Nocioni) 10 years ago? I remember reading an article where they said they're only good cuz they grew up playing together and have built chemistry through all these years. The Golden Age of Canada is coming, these guys like each other, will play summers together, and have grown up together. While only average individually, they would be greater than the sum of their parts as a team. If they are good enough to hang with the best of USA in the future, why not make a team out of it?

[jbk1234]

Interesting post. Personally, I'd do:

1. Trade #1 + #Thompson for Love
2. Sign Bron/Melo

PG: Irving
SG: Waiters
SF: Bron/Melo
PF: Love
C: Hawes

Looks like a dynasty to me. How about a totally different direction:

1. Draft Wiggins
2. Trade Kyrie + Zeller for #4 + #12 + NIcholson (Magic get their PG)
3. Trade #4 + Varajeo for #6 and Olynyk (Ainge gets Exum)
4. Trade #6 + Waiters for #7 + Nash + Sacre (Lakers get some offense)
5. Draft Ennis @ 7 and Stauskas @ 12
6. Hire Jay Triano
7. Sign Cory Joseph in 2015
8. Championship 2018+ (Nash as assistant coach)

PG: Ennis (pass first), Jack
SG: Wiggins (shooter and lobs), Stauskus (shooter)
SF: Bennett (3pt + banger), Stauskus, Wiggins
PF: Thompson (banger), Bennett
C: Olynyk (elbows + 3pt), Sacre

Remember that the Golden Generation of Argentina almost beat USA (Ginobli, Scola, Oberto, Nocioni) 10 years ago? This is the Golden Age of Canada, these guys like each other, will play summers together, and have grown up together.

What happens if you trade the No. 1 and TT for one year of Love and LBJ doesn't sign with the Cavs? The same player just destroyed your franchise twice in a decade.

[Brovva Blaqq]

Ship Irving and Waiters to Minnesota for Rubio, Muhammad and Dieng.

Draft Wiggins.

Not gonna happen, but that would make some sense to me.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

wow at thompson and 1st for love

gettttt theeee fffffffffffff outttaa here

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

Ship Irving and Waiters to Minnesota for Rubio, Muhammad and Dieng.

Draft Wiggins.

Not gonna happen, but that would make some sense to me.

stop it.

just get out, get out of this forum & never come back.

[BossHoggin]

Keep or trade TT? I think they should trade TT and I think they will. Rather than overpay for Love, I would trade him for David Lee straight up.

[BossHoggin]

Ship Irving and Waiters to Minnesota for Rubio, Muhammad and Dieng.

Draft Wiggins.

Not gonna happen, but that would make some sense to me.

[jbk1234]

Keep or trade TT? I think they should trade TT and I think they will. Rather than overpay for Love, I would trade him for David Lee straight up.

Assuming that we drafted Embiid, is the worst thing that could happen is that we actually get some points from the PF this year? In two years, Lee's contract is finished. Do you see Bennett being ready to start before then? Are you offering TT a contract or letting the RFA market decide? It's easy to poke fun, it's a lot harder to make decisions.

[giannidemarco]

The Cavs need veterans! Personally, I'd like to see the front office do 5 major things:

1) Hire Marc Jackson as Head Coach.
2) Draft Joel Embiid.
3) Trade Tristan Thompson & a TPE for David Lee & Harrison Barnes.
4) Trade Dion Waiters & Sergey Karasev for Kevin Martin & a 2nd round pick.
5) Sign PJ Tucker for the mid-level exception.
*also pick-up the option on Anderson Varejao; decline the options on Alonzo Gee & Scotty Hopson, draft KJ McDaniels w/ the 33rd pick, and sign a few vet minimums: Beno Udrih or Steve Blake, Richard Jefferson or Francisco Garcia, and Matt Bonner.


C - Joel Embiid, Anderson Varejao, Tyler Zeller
PF - David Lee, Anthony Bennett, Matt Bonner
SF - PJ Tucker, Harrison Barnes, Richard Jefferson/Francisco Garcia
SG - Kevin Martin, KJ McDaniels, Beno Udrih/Steve Blake
PG - Kyrie Irving, Jarrett Jack

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

The Cavs need veterans! Personally, I'd like to see the front office do 5 major things:

1) Hire Marc Jackson as Head Coach.
2) Draft Joel Embiid.
3) Trade Tristan Thompson & a TPE for David Lee & Harrison Barnes.
4) Trade Dion Waiters & Sergey Karasev for Kevin Martin & a 2nd round pick.
5) Sign PJ Tucker for the mid-level exception.
*also pick-up the option on Anderson Varejao; decline the options on Alonzo Gee & Scotty Hopson, draft KJ McDaniels w/ the 33rd pick, and sign a few vet minimums: Beno Udrih or Steve Blake, Richard Jefferson or Francisco Garcia, and Matt Bonner.


C - Joel Embiid, Anderson Varejao, Tyler Zeller
PF - David Lee, Anthony Bennett, Matt Bonner
SF - PJ Tucker, Harrison Barnes, Richard Jefferson/Francisco Garcia
SG - Kevin Martin, KJ McDaniels, Beno Udrih/Steve Blake
PG - Kyrie Irving, Jarrett Jack

I'm with it cept underlined, waiters will be an all star in this league

[DaddyCool19]

The Cavs need veterans! Personally, I'd like to see the front office do 5 major things:

1) Hire Marc Jackson as Head Coach.
2) Draft Joel Embiid.
3) Trade Tristan Thompson & a TPE for David Lee & Harrison Barnes.
4) Trade Dion Waiters & Sergey Karasev for Kevin Martin & a 2nd round pick.
5) Sign PJ Tucker for the mid-level exception.
*also pick-up the option on Anderson Varejao; decline the options on Alonzo Gee & Scotty Hopson, draft KJ McDaniels w/ the 33rd pick, and sign a few vet minimums: Beno Udrih or Steve Blake, Richard Jefferson or Francisco Garcia, and Matt Bonner.


C - Joel Embiid, Anderson Varejao, Tyler Zeller
PF - David Lee, Anthony Bennett, Matt Bonner
SF - PJ Tucker, Harrison Barnes, Richard Jefferson/Francisco Garcia
SG - Kevin Martin, KJ McDaniels, Beno Udrih/Steve Blake
PG - Kyrie Irving, Jarrett Jack

I'm with it cept underlined, waiters will be an all star in this league

Giving up 2 guys on a rookie scale contract for Kevin Martins 3 year contract? I wouldn't do that even if the Wolves send you guys the 2nd round pick instead of you guys doing it as he suggested.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

The Cavs need veterans! Personally, I'd like to see the front office do 5 major things:

1) Hire Marc Jackson as Head Coach.
2) Draft Joel Embiid.
3) Trade Tristan Thompson & a TPE for David Lee & Harrison Barnes.
4) Trade Dion Waiters & Sergey Karasev for Kevin Martin & a 2nd round pick.
5) Sign PJ Tucker for the mid-level exception.
*also pick-up the option on Anderson Varejao; decline the options on Alonzo Gee & Scotty Hopson, draft KJ McDaniels w/ the 33rd pick, and sign a few vet minimums: Beno Udrih or Steve Blake, Richard Jefferson or Francisco Garcia, and Matt Bonner.


C - Joel Embiid, Anderson Varejao, Tyler Zeller
PF - David Lee, Anthony Bennett, Matt Bonner
SF - PJ Tucker, Harrison Barnes, Richard Jefferson/Francisco Garcia
SG - Kevin Martin, KJ McDaniels, Beno Udrih/Steve Blake
PG - Kyrie Irving, Jarrett Jack

I'm with it cept underlined, waiters will be an all star in this league

Giving up 2 guys on a rookie scale contract for Kevin Martins 3 year contract? I wouldn't do that even if the Wolves send you guys the 2nd round pick instead of you guys doing it as he suggested.

I wouldn't do it even if kevin martin had a chandler parsons type rookie deal

[57special]

IF, and this is a big if, you can trade#1 for Love straight up and as part of the deal he exercises his PO option, THEN he ( or someone) gets on the phone behind the scenes to LBJ and he comes then you have to trade the pick. An Irving , LBJ, Love trio would be unbeatable. They all have different strengths, and have high BB IQ's. Melo I'm not so sure of. He doesn't play any D, and doesn't move the ball.

The way to sell this both to Love and LBJ would be the chance to win, and win for a long time. Love is really good, but he's a #2 on a great team, not a #1. Hopefully he's smart enough to understand that. LBJ has to know that Miami is not going to be winning in the near future. If the above deal gets done, then Cleveland is a championship team right away, whereas it's all hypothetical with draft picks.

If Bennett is redundant you can still trade him for a reasonably good player. Toronto would probably kill to get a Homegrown player like that.

Wolves are down about losing Love, no doubt, but they'd be idiots not to do the deal, and at least have a chance to get a franchise player in the future.

[Fo11ower91]

What we should do Is draft Parker. But, we'll probably take Embiid.

[TheOUTLAW]

The Cavs need veterans! Personally, I'd like to see the front office do 5 major things:

1) Hire Marc Jackson as Head Coach.
2) Draft Joel Embiid.
3) Trade Tristan Thompson & a TPE for David Lee & Harrison Barnes.
4) Trade Dion Waiters & Sergey Karasev for Kevin Martin & a 2nd round pick.
5) Sign PJ Tucker for the mid-level exception.
*also pick-up the option on Anderson Varejao; decline the options on Alonzo Gee & Scotty Hopson, draft KJ McDaniels w/ the 33rd pick, and sign a few vet minimums: Beno Udrih or Steve Blake, Richard Jefferson or Francisco Garcia, and Matt Bonner.


C - Joel Embiid, Anderson Varejao, Tyler Zeller
PF - David Lee, Anthony Bennett, Matt Bonner
SF - PJ Tucker, Harrison Barnes, Richard Jefferson/Francisco Garcia
SG - Kevin Martin, KJ McDaniels, Beno Udrih/Steve Blake
PG - Kyrie Irving, Jarrett Jack

Don't want Lee and that Waiters/Karasev trade is plainly idiotic.

[Fo11ower91]

Don't want Lee and that Waiters/Karasev trade is plainly idiotic.

Agreed. I want to keep our young guys in tact.

[Hogified05]

1. Draft Wiggins
2. Trade Kyrie + Zeller for #4 + #12 + NIcholson (Magic get their PG)
3. Trade #4 + Varajeo for #6 and Olynyk (Ainge gets Exum)
4. Trade #6 + Waiters for #7 + Nash + Sacre (Lakers get some offense)
5. Draft Ennis @ 7 and Stauskas @ 12
6. Hire Jay Triano
7. Sign Cory Joseph in 2015
8. Championship 2018+ (Nash as assistant coach)

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but as a Magic fan that isn't happening. Our GM comes from OKC/Spurs line of thinking to build through the draft. We are not trading our draft picks for veterans. He is going build through the draft if anything he will get rid of our veterans.

Also just my train of thought, you can't win with a scoring PG as your number 1 option. The only team off the top of my head that did it was the Thomas Pistons. I have no doubts Kyrie would not take us to the promise land, he needs to be the 2nd option. At least in my opinion.

Also I am in the camp for you guys trading for Love. Then trying for LeBron. If you can pry him away, Irving, Love and LeBron would win at least 2 championships. Forgive and forget, catch Bron as he descends, he will win at least 1 or 2 after 30.

[giannidemarco]

It's idiotic to want ALL the core players to only have 2-3 years experience. It's the blind leading the blind, on & off the court. Which is why Luol Deng allegedly called the team, "a mess". This ain't the Development League.