Best realistic trades to get us in the first round?

[theBigLip]

I so miss the draft. Looking at the best prospects, wondering who is going to drop to us, making my own mock and trying to figure out who is going where. All is gone. Thanks Joe, BG and those f--king ping pong balls. This is a last ditch effort to improve my summer - if we can make a trade and get into the first round, life would be glorious again (ok, that might be a stretch, but it would certainly improve).

So what is a realistic trade to get in? What does it cost to "buy" into the first round?

I'm assuming we don't trade Drummond. And Monroe can't be signed and traded for a draft pick, unless it is a complicated two part wink-wink deal. So our options our limited.

Josh Smith and our 2nd rounder to Houston for Jeremy Lin and #25? Late first rounders are about the only thing I think we can expect. Some of the teams down there (Miami?) probably don't want a cap hold, so maybe we can swap our 2nd for their first, especially if we take on a little salary coming back.

[Southern Piston]

I think we could deal Singler and our 2nd rd pick for any sf in the draft after the 20th pick, as much as I'm not a fan of him, it seems coaches are, with his contract and another 2nd rd pick, it's as good as an late first rd sf pick. I think Kyle Anderson could be a steal in the late first rd, I think if it was there we should pull the trigger.

[MotownMadness]

It would be hard to get back into the 1st round especially in this draft. Those first round picks are like gold and nobodys going to give them up for scraps.

[Entourage27]

I've been proposing this deal for a while now but Smith and Mitchell for Lin, Jones and #25 is the perfect trade for both teams.

I am a big Terrence Jones fan because I think he can play a 6th man Taj Gibson role for our team. His style of play can fit perfectly whether he is in the lineup at PF next to Drummond or Monroe at the C spot. Lin would be an expiring and only counts for 8.5 mill against the cap and we get a 1st rounder. This deal couldn't be any more beneficial for our team.

I do not like the idea of trading Singler. He might not be our best player but he is definitely one of our smartest if not the smartest player on our roster. He is the role playing glue guy who can shoot over 40 percent from three's it would be idiotic to trade a guy like that.

Buying Miami's first (#26) or trading a future second for it would be a move SVG should definitely look into. If we can pull a move like that and grab the #25 from Houston, we can have the #25, #26, and #38 to package and move up into the teens of the draft and really net us a solid role player. Or stand pat and grab 3 rookies with the hopes of one of them breaking out into being something.

Even though we lost #8 (it kills me to type that) our options are still limitless in the draft.

[theBigLip]

I've been proposing this deal for a while now but Smith and Mitchell for Lin, Jones and #25 is the perfect trade for both teams.

I am a big Terrence Jones fan because I think he can play a 6th man Taj Gibson role for our team. His style of play can fit perfectly whether he is in the lineup at PF next to Drummond or Monroe at the C spot. Lin would be an expiring and only counts for 8.5 mill against the cap and we get a 1st rounder. This deal couldn't be any more beneficial for our team.

I do not like the idea of trading Singler. He might not be our best player but he is definitely one of our smartest if not the smartest player on our roster. He is the role playing glue guy who can shoot over 40 percent from three's it would be idiotic to trade a guy like that.

Buying Miami's first (#26) or trading a future second for it would be a move SVG should definitely look into. If we can pull a move like that and grab the #25 from Houston, we can have the #25, #26, and #38 to package and move up into the teens of the draft and really net us a solid role player. Or stand pat and grab 3 rookies with the hopes of one of them breaking out into being something.

Even though we lost #8 (it kills me to type that) our options are still limitless in the draft.

Like the trade with Houston. And agree on Singler, unless he can net us a starter, might as well keep him. He is a legit role player, and even if we were back as an elite team, I could still see him having a place in the rotation.

[Notanoob]

What do people think about using our 2015 first to trade back into the first round this year? That's basically the only way that I can see us getting a good pick, unless the Kings gift us #8 in a deal centered around Smith.

Other than that, teams looking to clear cap space might be willing to sell us their pick, like the Rockets.

And we could consider calling up the 76ers about grabbing one of their second rounders, seeing as they have too many. They'd probably be happy to turn a current 2nd rounder (or two) into a future one.

[The Penguin]

Houston doesn't want Josh Smith. They are clearing the deck for a run at Melo. If that falls through then perhaps they settle for Smith, but that's not going to happen until well after the draft is over.


Probably our best bet to move back into round 1 would be Lin + #25 for cap space. As people have mentioned we could probably flip Singler for a late 1, though I don't really share the desire to dump a smart wing who can shoot and only makes $1 mil.

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but we just need to take our medicine. Joe made a bad trade and then magnified it to use the cap room for a bad signing. He's finally gone. Now it's just time to hope whoever goes #9 busts and SVG is able to make smart moves moving forward.

[joseph mamah]

Houston (25), Miami (26) if Lebron stays, and OKC (29) are teams I think might look to move out of the first round to avoid paying the guaranteed money a 1st rounder gets. I think if we want to we could get back into the first round by using the #38 and cash, but it'll be a mid to late 20s pick. I dont think we have anything that we can use (that we'd be willing to use) that gets us back into the top 20.

[HotelVitale]

Houston (25), Miami (26) if Lebron stays, and OKC (29) are teams I think might look to move out of the first round to avoid paying the guaranteed money a 1st rounder gets. I think if we want to we could get back into the first round by using the #38 and cash, but it'll be a mid to late 20s pick.

Those late 1sts are such minuscule amounts of guaranteed money--about $1m for two years, after which a player can be cut--and the return is potentially enormous. Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Miles Plumlee, Taj Gibson were all drafted over the last few years with the last few picks in the first, and they've all played big roles on capped out teams while costing the team next to nothing. Most picks don't end up being rotation guys, but it's a great gamble given the small cost.

In other words, I don't think smart teams will be selling picks but we should go for it if we get the chance.

[HotelVitale]

I've been proposing this deal for a while now but Smith and Mitchell for Lin, Jones and #25 is the perfect trade for both teams. I am a big Terrence Jones fan because I think he can play a 6th man Taj Gibson role for our team. His style of play can fit perfectly whether he is in the lineup at PF next to Drummond or Monroe at the C spot. Lin would be an expiring and only counts for 8.5 mill against the cap and we get a 1st rounder. This deal couldn't be any more beneficial for our team.

Would HOU consider that? Jones was pretty awesome for them last year and even if he's not a perfect fit, he's probably a better fit than Smith. The Rockets are all about spacing and movement and efficiency, and Smith is all about inefficient ball-stopping. Jones has a decent midrange game and is a very good finisher going to the cup, not to mention he's a good rebounder and team defender. He's also signed for $4m for the next two years. Why let a guy like that go if you're already giving us the less crippling of the bad contracts (Lin instead of Smith)?

I'd be happy to be wrong but I'm not sure Smith has that kind of value now. Maybe if he plays well for the first 5-6 weeks of the season but the whole league saw what we saw this year, and it wasn't pretty.

[The Penguin]

There really hasn't been a lot of selling picks anymore, especially not like there was 10 years ago when Robert Sarver was selling top 10 picks for $3 mil a pop.

The Horbobnetcats bought a 1st for $13 mil, the Jazz bought 2 later 1sts for $17 mil. The CBA has made it difficult to add talent if you are over the cap and especially if you are flirting with the lux tax. Outside of Houston wanting to trim a bunch of cap room (and thus selling their pick for $8 mil of cap and $14 mil of real dollers), I really think most other teams in the late 1st are going to hold onto theirs for the cheap controllable labor aspect.

[DocRI]

I agree that Lin & #25 for raw cap space is the most likely bet, seeing as Houston could be motivated by a Melo run.

A much longer shot that's been kicked around before — if the Celtics strike out on Kevin Love, Josh Smith & #38 for Gerald Wallace & #17?

[The Penguin]

I've been proposing this deal for a while now but Smith and Mitchell for Lin, Jones and #25 is the perfect trade for both teams. I am a big Terrence Jones fan because I think he can play a 6th man Taj Gibson role for our team. His style of play can fit perfectly whether he is in the lineup at PF next to Drummond or Monroe at the C spot. Lin would be an expiring and only counts for 8.5 mill against the cap and we get a 1st rounder. This deal couldn't be any more beneficial for our team.

Would HOU consider that? Jones was pretty awesome for them last year and even if he's not a perfect fit, he's probably a better fit than Smith. The Rockets are all about spacing and movement and efficiency, and Smith is all about inefficient ball-stopping. Jones has a decent midrange game and is a very good finisher going to the cup, not to mention he's a good rebounder and team defender. He's also signed for $4m for the next two years. Why let a guy like that go if you're already giving us the less crippling of the bad contracts (Lin instead of Smith)?

I'd be happy to be wrong but I'm not sure Smith has that kind of value now. Maybe if he plays well for the first 5-6 weeks of the season but the whole league saw what we saw this year, and it wasn't pretty.

No, they love Jones, they would laugh us off the phone

[theBigLip]

I agree that Lin & #25 for raw cap space is the most likely bet, seeing as Houston could be motivated by a Melo run.

A much longer shot that's been kicked around before — if the Celtics strike out on Kevin Love, Josh Smith & #38 for Gerald Wallace & #17?

I like the Houston trade, although maybe they take back Jerebko. I think Lin makes $14mil this year, I don't think we can (or would want to) eat that much cap space. Maybe Jerebko and Siva?

[theBigLip]

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but we just need to take our medicine. Joe made a bad trade and then magnified it to use the cap room for a bad signing. He's finally gone. Now it's just time to hope whoever goes #9 busts and SVG is able to make smart moves moving forward.

I know you're right but I'm trying to have a fantasy right now and your brutal honesty is getting in the way.

[The Penguin]

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but we just need to take our medicine. Joe made a bad trade and then magnified it to use the cap room for a bad signing. He's finally gone. Now it's just time to hope whoever goes #9 busts and SVG is able to make smart moves moving forward.

I know you're right but I'm trying to have a fantasy right now and your brutal honesty is getting in the way.

Ahh....In that case:

#8/Derrick Williams/Jason Terry/Travis Outlaw for Josh Smith

#12/Jameer Nelson for Brandon Jennings/#38/Singler

#25/Lin for cap space


Summer of 2015 all we have committed is Drummond/Monroe/KCP/Mitchell with #8/#12/#25 from this draft and about $35 mil in cap room.

[The Penguin]

I love the draft as much as the next guy, but we just need to take our medicine. Joe made a bad trade and then magnified it to use the cap room for a bad signing. He's finally gone. Now it's just time to hope whoever goes #9 busts and SVG is able to make smart moves moving forward.

I know you're right but I'm trying to have a fantasy right now and your brutal honesty is getting in the way.

Ahh....In that case:

#8/Derrick Williams/Jason Terry/Travis Outlaw for Josh Smith

#12/Jameer Nelson for Brandon Jennings/#38/Singler

#25/Lin for cap space


Summer of 2015 all we have committed is Drummond/Monroe/KCP/Mitchell with #8/#12/#25 from this draft and about $35 mil in cap room.

The sad thing is that could be where we stand (if not better with having Knight & Middleton as well) if Gores had just fired Dumars before last year and we just sold our cap space for future picks while tanking (or more accurately not caring about winning) last year.


Going down the rabbit hole, let's just say we did the GSW-Utah cap dump trade instead of Smith and didn't do the Jennings deal. Lets say filled with lame duck salary and Cheeks awful coaching we are slightly worse than this past year (2 games puts us at pick 7). Draft Smart at #7 and Adrian Payne at GSW's pick. We could be:

Drummond
Monroe/Payne
Singler/Middleton/Mitchell
KCP
Smart/Knight/Siva

With ~$30 + million of cap room this summer

[theBigLip]

I know you're right but I'm trying to have a fantasy right now and your brutal honesty is getting in the way.

Ahh....In that case:

#8/Derrick Williams/Jason Terry/Travis Outlaw for Josh Smith

#12/Jameer Nelson for Brandon Jennings/#38/Singler

#25/Lin for cap space


Summer of 2015 all we have committed is Drummond/Monroe/KCP/Mitchell with #8/#12/#25 from this draft and about $35 mil in cap room.

The sad thing is that could be where we stand (if not better with having Knight & Middleton as well) if Gores had just fired Dumars before last year and we just sold our cap space for future picks while tanking (or more accurately not caring about winning) last year.


Going down the rabbit hole, let's just say we did the GSW-Utah cap dump trade instead of Smith and didn't do the Jennings deal. Lets say filled with lame duck salary and Cheeks awful coaching we are slightly worse than this past year (2 games puts us at pick 7). Draft Smart at #7 and Adrian Payne at GSW's pick. We could be:

Drummond
Monroe/Payne
Singler/Middleton/Mitchell
KCP
Smart/Knight/Siva

With ~$30 + million of cap room this summer

Yes, an even better fantasy No Jennings or Smith, a better pick, more cap flexibility. What's not to like? Yes, DUmars should have been gone instead of giving him one more chance. He seriously blew it last year, and we're still paying for it.

[Timmaytime]

We can probably use #38 + to get back into the late 1st. Simply for teams with money troubles that want the non guaranteed contracts and aren't in love with any of the prospects

[Pharaoh]

I agree that Lin & #25 for raw cap space is the most likely bet, seeing as Houston could be motivated by a Melo run.

A much longer shot that's been kicked around before — if the Celtics strike out on Kevin Love, Josh Smith & #38 for Gerald Wallace & #17?

I like the Houston trade, although maybe they take back Jerebko. I think Lin makes $14mil this year, I don't think we can (or would want to) eat that much cap space. Maybe Jerebko and Siva?

Lin counts for $8 mil or whatever it is but his team has to pay him $14 or $15 mil due to the balloon payment.

Cap space used would be the $8 or $8.5 mil...

And FYI: any Lin deal would have to be completed aftee we actually have our cap space...so not before the draft!

We could always do the wink wink deal on draft day though

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