Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[Serge28]

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Guy was a defensive monster and ripped as hell. He would be insane with today's training and nutrition. Nature was all there and nurture would have been too. Defensive specialist. Monster shotblocker. "Mundane?!"

[MrPerfect1]

I think Parker and Giannis are complete opposites. Giannis is a very athletic, low usage, great vision/passer who currently lacks any time of offensive scoring polish vs Parker who projects as a high usage, highly polished jump shooter/scorer who may be a black hole on offense and a matador on defense.

[raferfenix]

For what it's worth:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/474408151534415872[/tweet]

Lakers fans speculating it'd be their #7 pick in play and that seems to have some merit.

Do we think Waiters / Thompson would beat a Sanders or Henson / Knight / #38 pick deal?

And how do we think any / all of that might impact the Cavaliers' decisions about the #1 pick?

The idea of the Bucks stealing Embiid from the short-sighted Cavs is growing on me so I'm hoping whatever Cleveland is up to helps us get there.

[breakchains]

I can't stand Waiters, and think Thompson is just a guy. Actually sort of hope Waiters gets traded so that the Bucks can't even contemplate going after him.

[TroyD92]

well greg odom was a dudue that size who could do everything embiid could do.Let me ask if odom instead of enbiid was in the draft this year would u feel the same way bout him as you do about embiid(without knowing bout odoms health concerns.)

Nope. Embiid has much better footwork, ball handling, jump shooting, and post moves. Oden was really good at dunking basketballs and not much else (ala Drummond). Oden on the other hand could have been one of the best defensive centers ever while Embiid should still be pretty damn good.

Sorry, but Oden was light years ahead of Embiid. Oden had a bum dominant wrist and still was impacting the game at an insanely high level.

[Matches Malone]

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[breakchains]

Man, I just can't see Wiggins actually going #1. I just don't see that happening at the end of the day. Personally, I'd love it, because he's my #3 guy, but then I wonder if our guys would be tempted to pass up on Embiid for Parker.

[Matches Malone]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

[sidney lanier]

You're right, Oden was not nearly as fluid and tenacious as prime Nate, but then again we never got to see prime Oden. We never got to see him properly develop into the kind of player most envisioned him becoming when Portland chose him #1 over Durant. While Nate isn't a perfect comparison by any means, I do still think that, if not for injuries, Oden's player trajectory would have been more similar to Nate than say, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Walton, Hakeem, Admiral, Ewing, Zo, Dikembe, etc. I struggled coming up with a proper comparison and thought Thurmond as a ceiling was fairly realistic.

Mr. Robinson seems to me to be a pretty good embodiment of what a healthy Oden might have become. To me they had the same upright, relatively stiff but physically dominant offensive presence.

[Serge28]

You're right, Oden was not nearly as fluid and tenacious as prime Nate, but then again we never got to see prime Oden. We never got to see him properly develop into the kind of player most envisioned him becoming when Portland chose him #1 over Durant. While Nate isn't a perfect comparison by any means, I do still think that, if not for injuries, Oden's player trajectory would have been more similar to Nate than say, Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Walton, Hakeem, Admiral, Ewing, Zo, Dikembe, etc. I struggled coming up with a proper comparison and thought Thurmond as a ceiling was fairly realistic.

Mr. Robinson seems to me to be a pretty good embodiment of what a healthy Oden might have become. To me they had the same upright, relatively stiff but physically dominant offensive presence.

Yes, except for Robinson's huge athletic advantages in agility, quickness, and speed. Robinson is one of my favorite players of all time and I can tell you that he was in a different world from young Oden in those aspects. He could do a handstand and walk like that from one end of the court to the other. The long way. Oden is more of a bruiser. He didn't have Admiral's jumper, his scoring ability. Could you ever imagine Oden topping 70 in a game?

[DanoMac]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

we still would have been comfortable," Hammond told 620 WTMJ's Greg Matzek. "But obviously the higher you are, the better you're going to feel

[Serge28]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

we still would have been comfortable," Hammond told 620 WTMJ's Greg Matzek. "But obviously the higher you are, the better you're going to feel

I finally agree with Hammond on something!

[Wonka]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

we still would have been comfortable," Hammond told 620 WTMJ's Greg Matzek. "But obviously the higher you are, the better you're going to feel

I finally agree with Hammond on something!

Hammond too high to be doing press without stuttering constantly.

[breakchains]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

"we look at him [Knight] as a keeper piece for this organization

[Wonka]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

"we look at him [Knight] as a keeper piece for this organization

No one on this board can convince me of Knight being much better than he was this year. I would trade him in a heartbeat.

[breakchains]

If you listen to Hammond since the new owners came to town, and believe that what he is saying is genuine, he's made it more than obvious that he was not on board with all of the "win now" stuff. I doubt he's cut out for the job, but I do believe that what abilities he did have were significantly impeded by Kohl and Co.

[VooDoo7]

http://www.jrn.com/wtmj/wi-sports/John-Hammond-discusses-Bucks-draft-excitement-for-future-under-new-owners-262459081.html

"we look at him [Knight] as a keeper piece for this organization

What do you expect him to say? "We're not real high on Brandon, to be honest with you", and lose any leverage they may have if they did wanna trade him down the road?

[76ciology]

After watching Lebron last night, I'm definitely leaning toward Jabari now. He's definitely closer to a Carmelo/Lebron than Wiggins is, and Jabari is just that physical and instinctual. All the limited upside stuff is still there, but the Pierce/Robinson comparisons are off considering he's that much bigger at 6 "9. Of course, tanking another year with Wiggins might get us a better third piece before the rest of the league will really take us serious. Hopefully Cleveland leaves us Embiid.

I'm a sixers fan that has Jabari second to Embiid in my big board.

I agree with what you said. I look at the top SFs in the league.. KD, LBJ, Melo, Pierce and George. I think Jabari can potentially be the third most skilled SF behind KD and LBJ, down the road. A guy you can surround your offense with because of his ability to create scoring opportunities for him and others. And if he enters the league next year, he's combination of high level skillset plus mobility and athletic ability for his almost 9' standing reach and 240lbs frame could easily make him a top 5 SF in the league.

I believe that Jabari's skillset is a gift, it's not something you can easily gain. And that's the reason why out of all the SFs in the league, there's probably only 5 guys who has his same kind of high level skillset.

Personally, I think his defense is overblown. First, no one really can individually stop guys like LBJ or KD, it takes a total team effort. Second, he's got the tools to be a good defensive player. He's mobile, athletic and has elite standing reach, bigger than most PFs. Third, with better effort and conditioning, I think he can improve his defense. It's really against all odds if he end up not improving his defense. It's rare to see a guy that mobile, athletic and that long to be that kind of a bad defensive player.

I like Wiggins for our team. I think he fits our high paced motion offense that isn't Iso heavy. I like Wiggins more of team needs than for talent. They say Wiggins' ceiling is a Paul George. Well, when Jabari enters the league next season. He'll already be breathing down Paul George's neck to move up in the top SF rankings.

[birlik54]

After watching Lebron last night, I'm definitely leaning toward Jabari now. He's definitely closer to a Carmelo/Lebron than Wiggins is, and Jabari is just that physical and instinctual. All the limited upside stuff is still there, but the Pierce/Robinson comparisons are off considering he's that much bigger at 6 "9. Of course, tanking another year with Wiggins might get us a better third piece before the rest of the league will really take us serious. Hopefully Cleveland leaves us Embiid.

Personally, I think his defense is overblown. First, no one really can individually stop guys like LBJ or KD, it takes a total team effort. Second, he's got the tools to be a good defensive player. He's mobile, athletic and has elite standing reach, bigger than most PFs. Third, with better effort and conditioning, I think he can improve his defense. It's really against all odds if he end up not improving his defense. It's rare to see a guy that mobile, athletic and that long to be that kind of a bad defensive player.

I was watching some Parker game film today and I get this feeling as well. It really seems like he has the tools to be a good defender. He's got size, athleticism, good lateral movement, and he doesn't seem too bad at keeping his man in front of him when they have the ball. It just seems to me like sometimes he gets lost a little bit when he's defending off the ball. He seems to me to look pretty apprehensive when playing defense, and it doesn't seem very natural to him at all.

But hopefully with some good coaching at the next level he can improve it, because he has the offensive instincts to be really good in that respect.

And this is based off my admittedly limited knowledge, it's just things I've picked up on.

[BucksFanSD]

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This would be huge for us. Embiid would be ours at #2.

If true, we may very well get Embiid at #2 or trade for #3 & #10. That would be great if this is accurate.