Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

mrknowitall215 · Post #421 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:37 pm

There's no logical method to these trades unless Cho has no faith in Cody Zeller, and if he does then now (as in the 2014-15 season) would be the time to make Zeller prove his worth. I think Cho still has as high of hopes for Zeller as our fellow poster 'Liver_Pooty', so I'm interested in seeing what improvements Zeller can make this offseason that could make him consistently serviceable

However, a trade of Gerald Henderson could be in play with #24 & #45. I just doubt that many if any teams see Henderson as value, and that's very unfortunate since he's supposedly Charlotte's third wheel, but 29 other teams wouldn't trade for him unless the Hornets are taking a bad contract off their hands

ARHornet · Post #422 » by **ARHornet** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:42 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:There's no logical method to these trades unless Cho has no faith in Cody Zeller, and if he does then now (as in the 2014-15 season) would be the time to make Zeller prove his worth. I think Cho still has as high of hopes for Zeller as our fellow poster 'Liver_Pooty', so I'm interested in seeing what improvements Zeller can make this offseason that could make him consistently serviceable

However, a trade of Gerald Henderson could be in play with #24 & #45. I just doubt that many if any teams see Henderson as value, and that's very unfortunate since he's supposedly Charlotte's third wheel, but 29 other teams wouldn't trade for him unless the Hornets are taking a bad contract off their hands

Agreed. I can't see Cho trading Zeller and I can't see anyone trading for Hendo unless we are giving up a lot more than we're getting. So regardless of your thoughts on Zeller, I don't really expect a situation in which he isn't a Hornet on opening night.

BeesWax · Post #423 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:51 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:There's no logical method to these trades unless Cho has no faith in Cody Zeller, and if he does then now (as in the 2014-15 season) would be the time to make Zeller prove his worth. I think Cho still has as high of hopes for Zeller as our fellow poster 'Liver_Pooty', so I'm interested in seeing what improvements Zeller can make this offseason that could make him consistently serviceable

However, a trade of Gerald Henderson could be in play with #24 & #45. I just doubt that many if any teams see Henderson as value, and that's very unfortunate since he's supposedly Charlotte's third wheel, but 29 other teams wouldn't trade for him unless the Hornets are taking a bad contract off their hands

Well we can hope on Hendo. Shoot Detroit is still talking like Smith and his terrible contract is an asset.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #424 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:59 pm

In that proposed trade, the Stepien Rule doesn't apply since we'd still have the ninth pick. This rule keeps teams from not having a pick consecutive years in a row, but they're fine as long as they have "A" pick.

So trading away 24 and a future first is allowed since we still have Detroit's pick (plus Sacramento's after the fact), but if 24 was our only pick we couldn't trade both it and a future first unless we actually use the 24 prior to trading it.

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BeesWax · Post #425 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 5:13 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:In that proposed trade, the Stepien Rule doesn't apply since we'd still have the ninth pick. This rule keeps teams from not having a pick consecutive years in a row, but they're fine as long as they have "A" pick.

So trading away 24 and a future first is allowed since we still have Detroit's pick (plus Sacramento's after the fact), but if 24 was our only pick we couldn't trade both it and a future first unless we actually use the 24 prior to trading it.

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When did they change the rule? It was only about your teams pick. I do not remember the rule undergoing a change.

HornetJail · Post #426 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 5:16 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:In that proposed trade, the Stepien Rule doesn't apply since we'd still have the ninth pick. This rule keeps teams from not having a pick consecutive years in a row, but they're fine as long as they have "A" pick.

So trading away 24 and a future first is allowed since we still have Detroit's pick (plus Sacramento's after the fact), but if 24 was our only pick we couldn't trade both it and a future first unless we actually use the 24 prior to trading it.

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True. I somehow overlooked the fact we'd still have a pick in 2014. Two, in fact. :lol:

BlackOutBuzz · Post #427 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 6:31 pm

I don't recall it ever changing, but I tracked down a link for you. From Larry Coon's CBA FAQ:

"Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their own first round pick. Teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q86

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MasterIchiro · Post #428 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 7:51 pm

Poor Pistons fans have amnesia over the Ben Gordon trade. You see when you have a bad contract on your hands (and I think Josh Smith's qualifies) you won't be likely to trade into a draft.

Smith might be a good player but that contract is widely recognized as a bad one.

They're spending their offseason concocting desperate ways to get into this draft.

Losing 9 really hurt them.

Look on the bright side Detroit, now you can tank in peace.

The other group that has been amusing to watch is the Magic and how they're going to get pick 9 by trading a player who will likely opt out at the end of the year because he's unpaid. One year of control of a player for a top 10 pick in a deep draft.

:lol:

BeesWax · Post #429 » by **BeesWax** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:22 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Poor Pistons fans have amnesia over the Ben Gordon trade. You see when you have a bad contract on your hands (and I think Josh Smith's qualifies) you won't be likely to trade into a draft.

Smith might be a good player but that contract is widely recognized as a bad one.

They're spending their offseason concocting desperate ways to get into this draft.

Losing 9 really hurt them.

Look on the bright side Detroit, now you can tank in peace.

The other group that has been amusing to watch is the Magic and how they're going to get pick 9 by trading a player who will likely opt out at the end of the year because he's unpaid. One year of control of a player for a top 10 pick in a deep draft.

But didn't you know that AA is the best player in the east last season. He is worth the 9 pick and a future first for such a young stud SG.

What a waste. A couple of decent years on terrible teams and now he is worth a ton. I would be iffy on giving up the 24 for that joker.

Elden Payton · Post #430 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:04 pm

I don't think Hendo's contract is bad at all.

I don't think we'd get anything of real value for him but I don't think it "needs" to be moved.

League average contract for league average player who is a starter on a playoff team.

Elden Payton · Post #431 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:05 pm

Hendo is a good role player which means that he is just average in NBA terms.

I think he could have been really good but Larry knew that and had to **** on the Dookie..

Post #432 » by **Diop** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:14 pm

I'm not a Larry Brown fan but I can't blame anyone for Hendo's development, that's all on him.

If he practiced 3pointers enough to shoot them with confidence, it would greatly improve his play.

His % wasn't bad, he just hesitated to often to take them.

Elden Payton · Post #433 » by **Elden Payton** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:15 pm

True Sach but I don't think Larry really had any reason to put him completely in the doghouse!

BobsBuddy · Post #434 » by **BobsBuddy** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:09 pm

Ok lets get back on Subject here!
Here's a couple of fake trades to wet your lips on.
Trade checker 6458575 2014 #9 Hendo Biz Bwood to BOS for Green ,Olynyk, and #17 (Zack Levine)
Trade Checker 6458580 #24 and Hendo to Minn for #40(Patric Young), Martin

Both these trades woulsd better our team immensely.

BeesWax · Post #435 » by **BeesWax** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:24 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::D Ok lets get back on Subject here!
Here's a couple of fake trades to wet your lips on.
Trade checker 6458575 2014 #9 Hendo Biz Bwood to BOS for Green ,Olynyk, and #17 (Zack Levine)
Trade Checker 6458580 #24 and Hendo to Minn for #40(Patric Young), Martin

Both these trades woulsd better our team immensely.

The first one is pretty bad but then you read the second trade and it makes the first seem a whole lot better.

The first trade leaves us with no backup center and instead we get another SF and PF and drop way down in the draft.

Second trade we take on an older player with poor defense for the right to drop from 24 to 40.

HornetJail · Post #436 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:22 pm

24 for martin seems fair though

BobsBuddy · Post #437 » by **BobsBuddy** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:01 pm

HUH! JDM3 let me break down these trades for you.
Trade #1 Green's a starter at 3 that played 32mpg 16/4 6'9 235 27 year old veteran at SF.. we start him at 3 and backup with MKG. Olynyk age 23 7' 240 is a backup center giving 20mpg a night 8 points 6 boards.
Lavine is a SG 6'6" 181 19 years old out off UCLA has had great workouts and moved up teams draft boards.
He is being compared to Jamal Crawford as a shooter and could be the next NBA Dunk Champion as a rookie.
This trade is made with little or no use of our 13 million in cap space so we can still sign a superstar 2 guard.

Trade #2 Martin also is a starting 2 guard 6'7' 187 lbs 30mpg,18/4. yes he is 31years old shoots 39% from behind the arch and is a 88% free throw shooter. a much better veteran 2 than Hendo. Patric Young out of Florida is a backup PF/Center at 6'10" 247 and avereged 16/6 for the Gators. and again we still have cap $ to sign a FA 3 and backup point.

What's so awful about these trades.?

ferk · Post #438 » by **ferk** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:40 pm

Tolliver/CDR seems like great fits in memphis any type of s&t for these guys ? what kind of offers do you guys think these two get ?

mrknowitall215 · Post #439 » by **mrknowitall215** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 8:56 pm

ferk wrote:Tolliver/CDR seems like great fits in memphis any type of s&t for these guys ? what kind of offers do you guys think these two get ?

$2 million annually max, but I'd expect no more than a 1-year/$1.5 million deal or a 2-year/$3 million deal for one or the other. I hope CDR return to Charlotte, but he'd also be a good fit in Memphis where he played college ball. I don't expect Tolliver to return, but it's possible pending on how things pan out in free agency

Ironically, neither may return to the Hornets after being key pieces off the bench to their playoff run

ARHornet · Post #440 » by **ARHornet** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 9:10 pm

I really want CDR back. Tolly I'm indifferent. He's solid and I wouldn't mind him returning. But hopefully we'll have upgraded that spot.