Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[DanoMac]

jussssst mayyyy nottttt

Did you watch too many Embiid highlights and make your keyboard sticky again?

I keed, I keed

[buckboy]

Maybe do some research on Smart and why nobody has him at the top of their draft mocks.

I'm not advocating taking Smart at #2 or saying that he'll be better than the undisputed top 3 in this draft. My question is asking how anybody could rank Exum above Smart let alone rank him above any of the top 3.

Appealing to authority is a fallacy, saying that he's a top pick because mock drafts and "scouts" say so is a laughable argument. What does he do better than Smart?

Pretty much everything on offense, including getting to the rack, which is Smart's best trait. Smart is not a good offensive player.

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

I like Marcus Smart (not at 2) --but I see his downside as a Marcus Banks type.

[DanoMac]

I like Marcus Smart (not at 2) --but I see his downside as a Marcus Banks type.

That's a pretty great comparison for his floor. And wow...I haven't heard that name in a good 6-7 years.

[theFireBlanket]

The Bucks wouldn't be going thru the workout process if that was the definite case. The media would be all over that, too, ala Joakim Noah. It was reported that Wiggins camp prefers Philly. There's been nothing about him not wanting to go to Milwaukee.

I know what's been reported, that it isn't even necessarily true that he prefers Philadelphia. But presuming he does prefer Philly, and in actuality doesn't want to goto Milwaukee. These players don't want to hurt their credibility at this stage of the game by coming out and saying that they don't want to be with a particular team, in the open.

They'll convey their lack of desire with their language and actions. See what Exum had to say at the combine, if his agent and he decided that team's didn't fit their needs, then they would create a strategy to make that team avoid picking them. Not coming to Milwaukee for the workout will appear more of a red flag if he goes to Philly for their workout and Cleveland for the Cavs.

I don't like the idea of passing on Wiggins if he indeed sends mixed messages to the organization. I don't want any of these players to do that. It's annoying when they do. But it's a potential reality, whether I like it or not.

[breakchains]

The Bucks wouldn't be going thru the workout process if that was the definite case. The media would be all over that, too, ala Joakim Noah. It was reported that Wiggins camp prefers Philly. There's been nothing about him not wanting to go to Milwaukee.

I know what's been reported, that it isn't even necessarily true that he prefers Philadelphia. But presuming he does prefer Philly, and in actuality doesn't want to goto Milwaukee. These players don't want to hurt their credibility at this stage of the game by coming out and saying that they don't want to be with a particular team, in the open.

They'll convey their lack of desire with their language and actions. See what Exum had to say at the combine, if his agent and he decided that team's didn't fit their needs, then they would create a strategy to make that team avoid picking them. Not coming to Milwaukee for the workout will appear more of a red flag if he goes to Philly for their workout and Cleveland for the Cavs.

I don't like the idea of passing on Wiggins if he indeed sends mixed messages to the organization. I don't want any of these players to do that. It's annoying when they do. But it's a potential reality, whether I like it or not.

Well he's going to Philly next week, and will likely be going to Cleveland once they hire an HC.

[DanoMac]

But when you start taking things like "he doesn't want to come to Milwaukee because the Bucks had to go Santa Barbara for his workout" or "he's dogging it in his workouts" or even "he wants to go to Philly" then you start making very dangerous assumptions.

Based on everything that's been reported, including words from Wiggins' mouth himself, I don't think we have anything to worry about as far as his desire and commitment to the Bucks.

[BucksFanSD]

I recommend this read...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1822 ... t-prospect

Was written last October and talks about predictions from the main hyped players, with a focus on top prospect Andrew Wiggins. What's so awesome is hyped-up Parker & Wiggins (and Embiid to a lesser hype) had better years than most scouts predicted and we'll have a shot of one of them.

[theFireBlanket]

But when you start taking things like "he doesn't want to come to Milwaukee because the Bucks had to go Santa Barbara for his workout" or "he's dogging it in his workouts" or even "he wants to go to Philly" then you start making very dangerous assumptions.

Based on everything that's been reported, including words from Wiggins' mouth himself, I don't think we have anything to worry about as far as his desire and commitment to the Bucks.

What about bringing up a hypothetical is a dangerous assumption? There's presumption present but in no way have I implied that I think it's infallible. There's also the element of interaction between the organization and Wiggins that we'll have no contact with, which would be even more suggestive of his desire to be with the club.

All I did was present a possibility.

[breakchains]

You guys have probably already talked about this but I'm just seeing it now:

Wiggins, Parker and Embiid all are in the mix here. On lottery night, a Cavs source told me that they had Parker ranked highest on their board all year because of his ability to come in and make an immediate impact and believe Embiid has the most upside of anyone in the draft and fits a long-term need for them. However, the source felt that Wiggins in the end would be the compromise pick -- someone who has both elite upside as well as a player who can play (especially defensively) impactful minutes right out of the gate.

[theFireBlanket]

Well he's going to Philly next week, and will likely be going to Cleveland once they hire an HC.

That's what I thought was the case but I didn't want to state something for fact that I was unsure of without looking it up. Kind of sheisty.

Maybe it's the Buck's camp who've shown him less interest in their discussions, leading to his lack of desire to travel here. Or he's just busy in CA this week and the Bucks want to work him out sooner than later.

[Ayt]

A quick first step doesn't make an NBA player, Jennings has a quick first step too and where has that gotten him?

Well, Jennings is a huge pussy at the rim. Exum is Ginobli-like crafty at the rim. Just stop.

Comparing a 18 year old who has done nothing to one of the most unique players in NBA history means nothing to me, I'll believe that when I see it. Juking out out Australian high schoolers who can't compete with you physically just isn't that impressive to me.

[DanoMac]

But when you start taking things like "he doesn't want to come to Milwaukee because the Bucks had to go Santa Barbara for his workout" or "he's dogging it in his workouts" or even "he wants to go to Philly" then you start making very dangerous assumptions.

Based on everything that's been reported, including words from Wiggins' mouth himself, I don't think we have anything to worry about as far as his desire and commitment to the Bucks.

What about bringing up a hypothetical is a dangerous assumption? There's presumption present but in no way have I implied that I think it's infallible. There's also the element of interaction between the organization and Wiggins that we'll have no contact with, which would be even more suggestive of his desire to be with the club.

All I did was present a possibility.

That's my bad. That post did come off accusatory. By "you" I didn't technically mean YOU.

[KeyRabbit]

Well he's going to Philly next week.

Where was this reported? The poorly-worded tweet just mentioned the timing of the workouts and that MKE would be going to sunny CA.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

maybe Philly actually wants Parker and them wanting Wiggins at all costs is a smokescreen

take EVERYTHING you hear leading up to the draft with a grain of salt

I really doubt we could squeeze anything out of Philly, they need their picks. Look at their roster. They're not trading up. They basically are a d-league team outside MCW and Noel who missed a year with a blown out knee.

We pick #2, there isn't really any reason to fret about 'tipping our hand'. I have to imagine most people here that are upset about that are more upset that Lasry/Edens doesn't prefer their guy than being too open about who they like.

I disagree. It is very important for any of the top teams to not tip their hand. We have no clue how in love Philly is with a prospect. By knowing who we want they could potentially jump us to get him or we could miss out on assets if they thought we would nab their favorite at #2.

What difference does it make if Philly or Cleveland makes the pick? We still pick #2. I can almost say with certainty that Philly won't be trading up so I'm not too worried. Parker is thought of in higher regard than Wiggins anyways amongst the league's GMs, maybe keep that in mind too about possible smokescreens. There isn't anything to worry about.

As I said before no one should know what the top teams want so I think that most of the reports are going have little merit. But according to this report we might be hurting ourselves by making it "known" we want Parker. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233732/Andrew-Wiggins-Camp-Prefers-76ers If Philly doesn't make a deal with Cleveland and Embiid is #1 (both very likely) Philly takes Wiggins at three without giving up any assets.

[sherm]

I like Marcus Smart (not at 2) --but I see his downside as a Marcus Banks type.

Thats not a fair comparison, since I know Marcus personally, Smart is bigger in height and strength. But more than anything Marcus stopped putting in the work that it takes to be a pro player. I dont know Smart off the court but he seems passionate about the game and Marcus got satisfied after that 25 mil contract. Fortunately marcus is more passionate now with his AAU squads.

I like Smart alot, not at 2 but I do feel that he will be a perrienial all star.

[Nowak008]

Smart is not a good offensive player.

Smart got to the line 8 times a game, shot 65% in the paint on the season, averaged 5 asts per game, and...."Over the final eight games, Smart averaged 19.3 points, 6.2 assists, 6.6 rebounds and 4.5 steals."

Yea he sucks.

[driese0824]

Smart is not a good offensive player.

Smart got to the line 8 times a game, shot 65% in the paint on the season, averaged 5 asts per game, and...."Over the final eight games, Smart averaged 19.3 points, 6.2 assists, 6.6 rebounds and 4.5 steals."

Yea he sucks.

I'm sure exum has says like that and adding to that smart is one of the best D guys in this draft.Yet cause exam has a quicker first step he's the second coming of Jordan while smart to a lot of this board stinks wow

[jakecronus8]

Banks > Ford

I miss those days.

[driese0824]

Smart is not a good offensive player.

Smart got to the line 8 times a game, shot 65% in the paint on the season, averaged 5 asts per game, and...."Over the final eight games, Smart averaged 19.3 points, 6.2 assists, 6.6 rebounds and 4.5 steals."

Yea he sucks.

Those are impressive stats,though I'm sure they will b overlooked by the exum lovers.
For the record I would love to see exums stats




I'm sure exum has says like that and adding to that smart is one of the best D guys in this draft.Yet cause exam has a quicker first step he's the second coming of Jordan while smart to a lot of this board stinks wow