Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[verbal8]

Is there any serious interest from the Wiz in Sacramento's 8th pick that's being shopped around? A great chance to pick up a solid back up big man while opening up future cap space.

The only potential straight up trade for the pick would be Porter for the 8th pick. Looking at the DraftExpress mock, it looks like it would be a choice between McDermott and Aaron Gordon. I would rather keep Porter in that scenario(who is actually younger than McDermott). Stauskas wouldn't make much sense with Beal on the team.

If Exum or Randle slip, dealing Porter might be a little more tempting. Exum is not a fit at all need wise, but his physical profile is very intriguing. I think he is long enough that you could do enough 3 guard line-ups to get him enough minutes.

The Sacramento deal is likely the pick, Landry and probably Thompson for an expiring contract. If they will take Nene, I would do the deal in a second. If they are looking for Miller and filler, I would be more hesitant.

[dckingsfan]

Is there any serious interest from the Wiz in Sacramento's 8th pick that's being shopped around? A great chance to pick up a solid back up big man while opening up future cap space.

The only potential straight up trade for the pick would be Porter for the 8th pick. Looking at the DraftExpress mock, it looks like it would be a choice between McDermott and Aaron Gordon. I would rather keep Porter in that scenario(who is actually younger than McDermott). Stauskas wouldn't make much sense with Beal on the team.

If Exum or Randle slip, dealing Porter might be a little more tempting. Exum is not a fit at all need wise, but his physical profile is very intriguing. I think he is long enough that you could do enough 3 guard line-ups to get him enough minutes.

The Sacramento deal is likely the pick, Landry and probably Thompson for an expiring contract. If they will take Nene, I would do the deal in a second. If they are looking for Miller and filler, I would be more hesitant.

So would you do a Nene for Thompson/Landry trade straight up?
Or
Thompson, Landry, Evans for Nene/Porter?

Then if you bring Gooden back you have

Landry/Thompson/Evans
Gortat/Gooden

Or is it crazy to give up on Porter this early?

[verbal8]

Is there any serious interest from the Wiz in Sacramento's 8th pick that's being shopped around? A great chance to pick up a solid back up big man while opening up future cap space.

The only potential straight up trade for the pick would be Porter for the 8th pick. Looking at the DraftExpress mock, it looks like it would be a choice between McDermott and Aaron Gordon. I would rather keep Porter in that scenario(who is actually younger than McDermott). Stauskas wouldn't make much sense with Beal on the team.

If Exum or Randle slip, dealing Porter might be a little more tempting. Exum is not a fit at all need wise, but his physical profile is very intriguing. I think he is long enough that you could do enough 3 guard line-ups to get him enough minutes.

The Sacramento deal is likely the pick, Landry and probably Thompson for an expiring contract. If they will take Nene, I would do the deal in a second. If they are looking for Miller and filler, I would be more hesitant.

So would you do a Nene for Thompson/Landry trade straight up?

I can think of 13 million reasons(2016-7 salary) not to do that deal.

Or
Thompson, Landry, Evans for Nene/Porter?

Adding a role player in his mid-30s for the 3rd pick in the last draft makes the deal even worse

Then if you bring Gooden back you have

Landry/Thompson/Evans
Gortat/Gooden

Not much of a downgrade this season, but being stuck with the declines of Landry and Gortat could get pretty ugly.

[dckingsfan]

Verbal, that your logic makes sense. You don't want to trade Nene for deals that expire after his. For the same reason, other teams won't trade for Nene with deals that expire before his - at least that is the thinking.

So it would have to be something like:

Thompson, Landry, Evans and #8 for Nene/Porter?

Conversely, we would need to do

Nene + Asset for earlier expiring contracts.

Hence why it is improbable that Nene gets moved - too bad the Knicks GM still isn't there.

[LyricalRico]

Thompson, Landry, Evans and #8 for Nene/Porter?

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

[dckingsfan]

Thompson, Landry, Evans and #8 for Nene/Porter?

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

Hmmm, wonder if the Kings go for that? Saves them roughly $7.5M in 16-17. I don't think I would do that deal if I were Sac.

[LyricalRico]

Thompson, Landry, Evans and #8 for Nene/Porter?

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

Hmmm, wonder if the Kings go for that? Saves them roughly $7.5M in 16-17. I don't think I would do that deal if I were Sac.

Well, the longterm savings, plus the upgrade over the next two seasons of getting a legit 2-way vet big to pair with Cousins/Gay to try to make a playoff run. Of course, that assumes that they rate Nene pretty highly.

[dckingsfan]

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

Hmmm, wonder if the Kings go for that? Saves them roughly $7.5M in 16-17. I don't think I would do that deal if I were Sac.

Well, the longterm savings, plus the upgrade over the next two seasons of getting a legit 2-way vet big to pair with Cousins/Gay to try to make a playoff run. Of course, that assumes that they rate Nene pretty highly.

That's the question right - does everyone seem him as a broken down player that can only log 1500 min/gm maybe or do they see him as a piece to get to the playoffs (or both). If I was Sacramento, I would be chasing guard/wing help vs. FC help.

Edit: probably no deal here.

[Aussie22]

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

Hmmm, wonder if the Kings go for that? Saves them roughly $7.5M in 16-17. I don't think I would do that deal if I were Sac.

Well, the longterm savings, plus the upgrade over the next two seasons of getting a legit 2-way vet big to pair with Cousins/Gay to try to make a playoff run. Of course, that assumes that they rate Nene pretty highly.

Would the rights to Tomas Satoransky do much to sweeten this deal do you think?


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[dckingsfan]

Hmmm, wonder if the Kings go for that? Saves them roughly $7.5M in 16-17. I don't think I would do that deal if I were Sac.

Well, the longterm savings, plus the upgrade over the next two seasons of getting a legit 2-way vet big to pair with Cousins/Gay to try to make a playoff run. Of course, that assumes that they rate Nene pretty highly.

Would the rights to Tomas Satoransky do much to sweeten this deal do you think?


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I would think, they are definitely looking for guards, PGs, combo and SGs.

[stevemcqueen1]

Jason Thompson maybe has neutral trade value. He's a passable first big off the bench and his deal is probably exactly what he's worth, the big negative being the length.

Landry has totally negative value. That deal is untouchable. I wouldn't make any trade involving both him and Thompson whatsoever.

Nene does not have negative trade value. You shouldn't have to give up an asset just to get rid of him without getting any asset back in return. I repeat: Nene is actually a good player. We're a better team with Nene. Trading him wouldn't be an addition by subtraction move. It would be a pure salary dump. But if we don't then replace that salary with another good player, then we've gotten worse.

[payitforward]

Thompson, Landry, Evans and #8 for Nene/Porter?

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

Me too -- and any other Wizards fan I'm sur! -- but... they aren't going to do that....

[thricethefun]

If Randle is still on the board at #8 we desperately need to try to get that Kings pick. I'm thinking Nene + Webster for Jason Terry , Landry, and Derrick Williams + #8 might do it.

[Dat2U]

Jason Thompson maybe has neutral trade value. He's a passable first big off the bench and his deal is probably exactly what he's worth, the big negative being the length.

Landry has totally negative value. That deal is untouchable. I wouldn't make any trade involving both him and Thompson whatsoever.

Nene does not have negative trade value. You shouldn't have to give up an asset just to get rid of him without getting any asset back in return. I repeat: Nene is actually a good player. We're a better team with Nene. Trading him wouldn't be an addition by subtraction move. It would be a pure salary dump. But if we don't then replace that salary with another good player, then we've gotten worse.

I think you refuse to realize that Nene is getting worse as he ages and that his availability DOES matter. Playing for his country this summer only is going to make things worse.

At $13 mil, you need a full time player that plays well.

[verbal8]

Thompson, Landry, Evans and #8 for Nene/Porter?

Take out the Evans/Porter swap, making it Thompson+Landry+8 for Nene (and possibly something like GRJ or a 2nd), and I'm all for it.

Me too -- and any other Wizards fan I'm sur! -- but... they aren't going to do that....

Do you think the Kings are going to get someone to take on Landry and Thompson's contracts for an expiring even using the 8th pick?

It seems the teams that would be most interested in the 8th pick, don't really have the expiring contracts to send back. I really can't see a rebuilding team sending out significant cap space for 2+ years of salary commitments.

[gambitx777]

Look as vocal as I have been wanting to trade NENE, he's a good player, we should not make a deal that does not make us better, and any deal for Landry does not help us. even with that pick, we loose nene, I am all for getting draft picks, but we have two years left of nene, hes a solid big, and sure he needs moved to the bench but at this point moving him to the kings and taking landry only hurts us. If we really feel the need to move NENE, there are better options.

[verbal8]

Look as vocal as I have been wanting to trade NENE, he's a good player, we should not make a deal that does not make us better, and any deal for Landry does not help us. even with that pick, we loose nene, I am all for getting draft picks, but we have two years left of nene, hes a solid big, and sure he needs moved to the bench but at this point moving him to the kings and taking landry only hurts us. If we really feel the need to move NENE, there are better options.

Paying $6.5 million to a 33 year old Landry is painful, but so is paying $13 million to a 32 and 33 year old Nene. Landry was awful this past season, but his career numbers aren't far off from Nene.

[thricethefun]

Look as vocal as I have been wanting to trade NENE, he's a good player, we should not make a deal that does not make us better, and any deal for Landry does not help us. even with that pick, we loose nene, I am all for getting draft picks, but we have two years left of nene, hes a solid big, and sure he needs moved to the bench but at this point moving him to the kings and taking landry only hurts us. If we really feel the need to move NENE, there are better options.

Paying $6.5 million to a 33 year old Landry is painful, but so is paying $13 million to a 32 and 33 year old Nene. Landry was awful this past season, but his career numbers aren't far off from Nene.

Plus if you can get a guy like Randle with #8 he could produce at a high level even as a rookie imo.

[dckingsfan]

Look as vocal as I have been wanting to trade NENE, he's a good player, we should not make a deal that does not make us better, and any deal for Landry does not help us. even with that pick, we loose nene, I am all for getting draft picks, but we have two years left of nene, hes a solid big, and sure he needs moved to the bench but at this point moving him to the kings and taking landry only hurts us. If we really feel the need to move NENE, there are better options.

Paying $6.5 million to a 33 year old Landry is painful, but so is paying $13 million to a 32 and 33 year old Nene. Landry was awful this past season, but his career numbers aren't far off from Nene.

Plus if you can get a guy like Randle with #8 he could produce at a high level even as a rookie imo.

Then you have, Landry, Thompson, Randle and presumably Gooden and Gortat in the front court - Is that better or worse than Gortat, Seraphin, Booker, Gooden, Harrington and Nene?

[gesa2]

Better, because you have a chance that Randle becomes the third piece of the puzzle for us