Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[skones]

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first off, embiid is not a better off prospect than oden was. that's silly.

secondly, i love how everyone acts like dwight was an amazing can't miss prospect in hindsight. there was HUGE debate on howard vs okafor (i would've taken howard first at the time ). it's always funny how things are so easy when looking back.

also lol at "consensus #1 status" for wiggins

I don't think it's silly at all. As good as Oden was, I think he was overrated as a prospect. I think Embiid, with a clean bill of health, is the better of the two with his skill set.

[fansinceforever]

I've gotten to the point where I really like Jabari too but at this point it's Wiggins or I'm a little disappointed.

He just has too many attributes that are unteachable.

[Bucks7rules]

I am okay with Jabari Parker if Embiid is gone, he is a good player and dude.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb-ghooJsBk[/youtube]

[JayMKE]

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first off, embiid is not a better off prospect than oden was. that's silly.

secondly, i love how everyone acts like dwight was an amazing can't miss prospect in hindsight. there was HUGE debate on howard vs okafor (i would've taken howard first at the time ). it's always funny how things are so easy when looking back.

also lol at "consensus #1 status" for wiggins

I don't think it's silly at all. As good as Oden was, I think he was overrated as a prospect. I think Embiid, with a clean bill of health, is the better of the two with his skill set.

Oden was a monster, his one year in college pretty much speaks for itself. He took his team to the championship game and this was all with his shooting hand busted up. Oden is the best center in the league right now and probably a future HOFer if he didnt' succumb to injuries.

[Treebeard]

I'll duck and cover after this.....

I lived in Minneapolis for several years in the 90's, when the Wolves were gawd awful, so they perpetually had lower number picks. However, they seemed to routinely fall one spot below the cut-off for the top-tier players. i.e. they'd pick 3rd in a top 2 draft - Laettner vs Shaq & Mourning, or Donyell Marshall vs Big Dog, Kidd, & Grant Hill. They had to make the great leap of faith in drafting Garnett to get out of the swamp, at least for a while. Drafting an unproven Garnett was a great leap of faith then....

We have the good spot to be picking 2nd in what appears to be a 3-4 man top tier.

[Zeezprah]

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first off, embiid is not a better off prospect than oden was. that's silly.

secondly, i love how everyone acts like dwight was an amazing can't miss prospect in hindsight. there was HUGE debate on howard vs okafor (i would've taken howard first at the time ). it's always funny how things are so easy when looking back.

also lol at "consensus #1 status" for wiggins

I don't think it's silly at all. As good as Oden was, I think he was overrated as a prospect. I think Embiid, with a clean bill of health, is the better of the two with his skill set.

i'm sorry, but oden was not overrated. he was the best high school prospect since lebron james, and imo there hasn't been one better since. he almost led his team to a national championship with basically a worthless right hand because of the wrist. he shot 63% from the line with his off hand.

when he was in the nba actually on the floor, he had the best rebound rate in the nba iirc.

it's just sad that the world thinks he was some big bust. he was something else to watch when healthy. unfortunate we'll never get to see what he was fully capable of.

i'd take a healthy oden over a healthy embiid any day.

[skones]

Oden was a monster, his one year in college pretty much speaks for itself. He took his team to the championship game and this was all with his shooting hand busted up. Oden is the best center in the league right now and probably a future HOFer if he didnt' succumb to injuries.

Despite going with his off hand, Oden was extremely mechanical on offense relying on his physicality to score. At the NBA level, that didn't translate to the degree it did in college. With that being said, I think that limits him the same way it does Howard. You can't necessarily dump the ball into him and ask for a bucket when you need it late in the game. I don't question his defense and rebounding.

I think Embiid has the ability to dominate on the defensive end and BE that guy who can get you that bucket which I think is the deciding factor between the two.

[Badgerlander]

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[DarvinHam]

Oden was a monster, his one year in college pretty much speaks for itself. He took his team to the championship game and this was all with his shooting hand busted up. Oden is the best center in the league right now and probably a future HOFer if he didnt' succumb to injuries.

Despite going with his off hand, Oden was extremely mechanical on offense relying on his physicality to score. At the NBA level, that didn't translate to the degree it did in college. With that being said, I think that limits him the same way it does Howard. You can't necessarily dump the ball into him and ask for a bucket when you need it late in the game. I don't question his defense and rebounding.

I think Embiid has the ability to dominate on the defensive end and BE that guy who can get you that bucket which I think is the deciding factor between the two.

So, Shaq?

[MrPerfect1]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but a team that is as bereft of talent as the Sixers are right now is in NO position to give up a top 10 pick in a LOADED draft just to move up a slot or two. In addition, giving up the #10 pick in this draft to simply be able to choose ANY of the four players mentioned goes against EVERYTHING that Hinkie has said since he has been Sixers GM and much of what he did when he was in HOU.

You are greatly overrating the #10 pick and undervaluing the difference between #1 and #3. Calling moving up from 3 to 1 as "just a slot or two" is incredible. The difference between #1 and #3 is generally HUGE in the NBA. On the other hand, the #10 pick is usually a soso type player. This is not the NFL where teams get value by moving down the draft board to build a well balanced team.

I have seen some "insiders" say there is little difference in this draft from picks 8-20. If you think someone is the next Franchise player, you do not simply hope they fall to you because you expect to get a decent 6th Man type or so player at #10.

It doesn't matter though because PHI likely lacks the assets to move up to #1 even if they want (assuming they do not want to trade unprotected 2015 1st Rounder). CLE would be dumb to trade #1 for only #3 + #10 (unless an unlikely scenario where they secretly want Exum or Parker).

[paulpressey25]

Guys--I'm scanning trying to catch up to this thread and saw that tweet a few pages back from the Cleveland guy "Rizzo" about Embiid's back being bad.

He may be right, but apparently he's their market's version of Woelfel and Chuck. He was the guy who tweeted out 4-5 days ago that he'd jump off a bridge if the Cav's took Embiid. So there's that.

[skones]

Oden was a monster, his one year in college pretty much speaks for itself. He took his team to the championship game and this was all with his shooting hand busted up. Oden is the best center in the league right now and probably a future HOFer if he didnt' succumb to injuries.

Despite going with his off hand, Oden was extremely mechanical on offense relying on his physicality to score. At the NBA level, that didn't translate to the degree it did in college. With that being said, I think that limits him the same way it does Howard. You can't necessarily dump the ball into him and ask for a bucket when you need it late in the game. I don't question his defense and rebounding.

I think Embiid has the ability to dominate on the defensive end and BE that guy who can get you that bucket which I think is the deciding factor between the two.

So, Shaq?

Shaq had an extremely high basketball IQ and very soft hands which Oden never demonstrated around the hoop. His physical gifts and Odens weren't on the same level either.

[bebopdeluxe]

You are greatly overrating the #10 pick and undervaluing the difference between #1 and #3. Calling moving up from 3 to 1 as "just a slot or two" is incredible. The difference between #1 and #3 is generally HUGE in the NBA. On the other hand, the #10 pick is usually a soso type player. This is not the NFL where teams get value by moving down the draft board to build a well balanced team.

I have seen some "insiders" say there is little difference in this draft from picks 8-20. If you think someone is the next Franchise player, you do not simply hope they fall to you because you expect to get a decent 6th Man type or so player at #10.

It doesn't matter though because PHI likely lacks the assets to move up to #1 even if they want (assuming they do not want to trade unprotected 2015 1st Rounder). CLE would be dumb to trade #1 for only #3 + #10 (unless an unlikely scenario where they secretly want Exum or Parker).

My only point in the whole thing - and then I will go back to the Sixers board - is that packaging 3 and 10 to move up is the anti-Hinkie...it goes against everything he says and (more importantly) does. I believe that it is WAY more likely - if the Cavs LOVE Embiid and the Bucks LOVE Wiggins - that Hinkie takes Parker (a decent consolation prize, I would say), then waits to see if ORL loves Smart as much as it sounds like they might (with the caveat that you should believe NOTHING that is in the media right now). That way, the option of moving "the Mormon" to UTA at 5 for Exum and 23 is then in play.

THAT is more like what Hinkie would do, based on his track record.

For the last time, good luck on the 26th.

[Wooderson]

I am okay with Jabari Parker if Embiid is gone, he is a good player and dude.

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Since you posted the offensive highlights from that game I figured I would post the defensive lowlights. Combination of poor awareness, positioning, quickness and in a few cases lazy getting back on D. Big part of why Perry Ellis went off for 24/9.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLxQa8wDXFc[/youtube]

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I think he can eventually become an average defender, but he was pretty brutal at times last year.

[Sixteen]

You are greatly overrating the #10 pick and undervaluing the difference between #1 and #3. Calling moving up from 3 to 1 a
as "just a slot or two" is incredible. The difference between #1 and #3 is generally HUGE in the NBA. On the other hand, the #10 pick is usually a soso type player. This is not the NFL where teams get value by moving down the draft board to build a well balanced team.

I have seen some "insiders" say there is little difference in this draft from picks 8-20. If you think someone is the next Franchise player, you do not simply hope they fall to you because you expect to get a decent 6th Man type or so player at #10.

It doesn't matter though because PHI likely lacks the assets to move up to #1 even if they want (assuming they do not want to trade unprotected 2015 1st Rounder). CLE would be dumb to trade #1 for only #3 + #10 (unless an unlikely scenario where they secretly want Exum or Parker).

How is moving 2 slots up hold an incredible difference if the 76ers may get their guy #3? You think people would be shocked if Parker, Wiggins or Embid went first? There is no difference and we are content with picking with whoever drops #3. #3 and #10>>>> having the #1 pick or the #2 pick.

[Chapter29]

I think many believe that Embiid is far superior to Wiggins or Parker. I also think there are many that believe Parker is far superior to Wiggins (I am not one of them).

If those statements are true clearly there is a big difference between 1, 2 and 3.

So 3 and 10 may not be better than #1 or #2. All depends I guess if there are 1, 2 or 3 franchise level players in this draft. If there are 0-2 franchise players in this draft....#3 sucks.

[Frank Nova]

Well for me personally, seeing is believing. Parker is not average or even below average on defense. Plain and simple he's a bad defender. His "lapses" are pretty damn often, and they are Gadzuric level bad quite often. He and Randle have got major work to do to even become slightly below average on that end.

As far as Wiggins is concerned, he's already a tremendous on the ball defender and sky is the limit on that end of the floor. If you're taking Parker you're doing so knowing that many nights he will be a nightmare matchup for opposing teams defensively and a complete liability on the other end. Watch the draft express breakdown for a few of the lowlights on Parker. Some are tough to watch.

U say "seeing is believing" but all u saw was "A few of the lowlights on Parker" from the draft express breakdown video. That's ur big assessment? That's terrible. U just sound like a hater and nothing more.

I probably watched at least 7 Duke games this year, including their first round loss to butt f*cking Mercer. The DX video is just a reference point for those who want to just gloss over the fact that Parker is truly a terrible defender and will say baseless things like "I'm sure he'll easily be at least an average defender" without any empirical evidence to support this theory. If you want to go with blind hope that's fine, just admit it.

Parker honks need to give up this whole "hater" thing for people that don't want him at 2. It's tired and played out. I'm really sick of the term in general.

There were multiple games Wiggins and Embiid were completely non existent. 7 games in a 30 some game season is ur proof and there's still no way I'm buying into you being so right about everything your saying. It's pointless to sit here and argue back and forth with someone as narrow minded as u come off to be.

Baseless things and empirical evidence and "Parker honks", Who are you though? What scouting department writes your checks? U watched 7 games including that terrible loss to Mercer so u have to know everything. U must've blacked out when Wiggins was playing in the tourney.

Parker is an extreme talent and regarded as, brace urself, 1 of, if not the best player in this draft and it's not because he's a terrible defender like u so arrogantly insist.

[M-C-G]

Good read on Exum...he is firmly my #4 and would like him IF we traded down to collect another lottery pick, if we weren't enamored with the big 3.

I think you need to take the people interviewed in context somewhat, but great read all the same.

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Granted some of those guys were years ago...but that doesn't scream ELITE...it screams pretty damn good.

Check his agility time and his sprint time with height. It's absurd.

Before I respond, I want to just say I really like Exum...Your comment intrigued me enough to look though. A few agility comps (I will only look at within a tenth of a second on agility)

Marshon Brooks - same agility, same sprint, .25 inch shorter
Tony Wroten - just about same everything, but .25 in taller
Carlos Boozer - tenth second slower sprint, about the same agility, +50 lbs
Shaun Livingston - almost identical numbers, but 2 inches taller
Ricky Ledo - taller, same agility, tenth second slower on sprint
Chuck Hayes - taller, +30 lbs, same agility, .15 seconds slower on sprint
Matt Barnes - 2 inch taller, better agility, tenth second slower sprint

So I think this takes me back to the, he has really good speed (and agility) but none of those guys are considered elite athletes (obviously livingston we'll never know w the knee)...The boozer thing shocked me, I can't believe he was a second round pick.

[MrPerfect1]

My only point in the whole thing - and then I will go back to the Sixers board - is that packaging 3 and 10 to move up is the anti-Hinkie...it goes against everything he says and (more importantly) does.

Then you must believe that Hinkie is almost the opposite from Morey. Moreys primary Philosophy is around moving assets to acquire Superstars. If Morey saw 1 or 2 Superstars in this draft, you can be sure that he would be trying like heck to package assets to move uo.

How is moving 2 slots up hold an incredible difference if the 76ers may get their guy #3? You think people would be shocked if Parker, Wiggins or Embid went first? There is no difference and we are content with picking with whoever drops #3. #3 and #10>>>> having the #1 pick or the #2 pick.

The odds are against PHI getting their #1 Prospect at #3 since 2 teams are picking above them. Odds are very much against them valuing all 3 exactly equally. Many people have very strong preferences between the 3.

I can understand being a PHI fan that you prefer what your team has but think you would be in the vast minority if you asked Non 76ers fans what is better to have, #1 or #3 + #10

[Sixteen]

My only point in the whole thing - and then I will go back to the Sixers board - is that packaging 3 and 10 to move up is the anti-Hinkie...it goes against everything he says and (more importantly) does.

Then you must believe that Hinkie is almost the opposite from Morey. Moreys primary Philosophy is around moving assets to acquire Superstars. If Morey saw 1 or 2 Superstars in this draft, you can be sure that he would be trying like heck to package assets to move uo.

How is moving 2 slots up hold an incredible difference if the 76ers may get their guy #3? You think people would be shocked if Parker, Wiggins or Embid went first? There is no difference and we are content with picking with whoever drops #3. #3 and #10>>>> having the #1 pick or the #2 pick.

The odds are against PHI getting their #1 Prospect at #3 since 2 teams are picking above them. Odds are very much against them valuing all 3 exactly equally. Many people have very strong preferences between the 3.

I can understand being a PHI fan that you prefer what your team has but think you would be in the vast majority if you asked Non 76ers fans what is better to have, #1 or #3 + #10

I already did right after the lottery. And.the vast majority vauled what Philly has.