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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#161 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:04 am

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mattg wrote:My main concern with Anderson is that he doesn't seem to play well without the ball. He doesn't do much of anything when he's not handling the rock.


10 rebounds per 40 minutes for a guy who is supposedly a guard? Assuming he rebounds only "when he's not handling the rock", I'd say that's something.


What i also like about Anderson is that he doesn't rebound with athleticism, he rebounds like Charles Barkley, by finding position and putting his big butt where its suppose to be.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#162 » by ManualRam » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:12 am

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mattg wrote:My main concern with Anderson is that he doesn't seem to play well without the ball. He doesn't do much of anything when he's not handling the rock.


10 rebounds per 40 minutes for a guy who is supposedly a guard? Assuming he rebounds only "when he's not handling the rock", I'd say that's something.

im pretty sure he was just referring to what KA does on offense. he's very ball-dominant and when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he has a tendency to stand around. he also wasn't much of a catch and shoot shooter so that added to his ineffectiveness off the ball.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#163 » by miltk » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:01 am

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Post#164 » by miltk » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:12 am

ManualRam wrote:im pretty sure he was just referring to what KA does on offense. he's very ball-dominant and when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he has a tendency to stand around. he also wasn't much of a catch and shoot shooter so that added to his ineffectiveness off the ball.


wouldn't this be a coaching issue. he wasn't a catch and shoot but that wasn't his job. 2 years ago, he had no shot. last year he fixed that. i would think teams want to see improvement.

a bit of latest info on kyle. atl likes him @15 and appear to be the most interested. phx worked kyle out at pg and he moved the ball upcourt easily. so both phx and atl is showing love. kyle has been having great workouts and his body is changing by the week.

he's been impressing everyone with his personality and bbIQ
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#165 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:14 pm

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ManualRam wrote:im pretty sure he was just referring to what KA does on offense. he's very ball-dominant and when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he has a tendency to stand around. he also wasn't much of a catch and shoot shooter so that added to his ineffectiveness off the ball.


wouldn't this be a coaching issue. he wasn't a catch and shoot but that wasn't his job. 2 years ago, he had no shot. last year he fixed that. i would think teams want to see improvement.

a bit of latest info on kyle. atl likes him @15 and appear to be the most interested. phx worked kyle out at pg and he moved the ball upcourt easily. so both phx and atl is showing love. kyle has been having great workouts and his body is changing by the week.

he's been impressing everyone with his personality and bbIQ


What is your source?
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#166 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:19 pm

Kyle Anderson Intrigues With Size, Skill Set

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/kyle-ander ... -skill-set

There's a good video interview of McDonough talking about Anderson here.

“That’s a good question,” said Suns General Manager Ryan McDonough. “I think he’s a basketball player. He’s extremely skilled at that size. He’s very long. He has a unique passing ability and feel for the game that sets him apart. He also rebounds very well, especially for a perimeter guy.”


“What we wanted to see is the speed of him getting up and down the court,” said Head Coach Jeff Hornacek. “Can he play the one? If he’s going to play the one spot, you have some little quick guy that guards him, can he get up the court? We saw some of that today.”

Then there’s the matter of the other end of the floor.

“Defensively, if he’s playing the one spot, he’s going to get matched up on a small guy a lot,” Hornacek said. “That’s where I thought he was smart in college, watching tape. He lays off, uses his length. Because he is tall and long, you don’t necessarily need to be right up on a guy.”


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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#167 » by BoutPractice » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:39 pm

Some interesting things to keep in mind about Kyle Anderson: he used to be a top recruit. Was thought to be one of the best players in his HS class, even though athleticism and how good your dunks look on your AAU YouTube mixtape is usually what's being evaluated in young prospects.

None other than Kevin Durant thought he was the best player in his class. I have this weird theory that current (not former!) players could be underrated evaluators of draft talent: they recognize those who "belong". LeBron James, for example, saw a star in Stephen Curry when others saw just another shooting specialist. Anthony Davis got the highest marks from Olympic teammates, who saw his dominance coming from miles away, etc. (Contrast with Christian Laettner, who according to Magic didn't quite fit the Dream Team)

So you've got this 6'9 player who has the full offensive package, passes the eye test and then some as a pure basketball player, used to be considered one of the best players in his class, and averaged 18, 10 and 8 (!) per 40 to go along with 2 steals, 1 block and 48% 3P shooting in college.

Yet DraftExpress currently has him at number 25, more than 17 picks behind DougMcDermott.

So one of three possibilities:
- he secretly sucks for an as-yet-unidentified reason
- this draft is REALLY good
- he's possibly slightly underrated
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#168 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:54 pm

or d) DraftExpress
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Post#169 » by BoutPractice » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:04 pm

Or d) DraftExpress, indeed.

He apparently impressed the Hawks and the Heat in workouts, too.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#170 » by LloydFree » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:02 pm

Kyle Anderson will be one of the 10 best best players from this draft when all is done. The team that gets him outside of the lottery is going to get a steal. With the 76ers likely not selecting him, I hope someone else selects him before Boston takes him at 17.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#171 » by ManualRam » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:15 pm

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ManualRam wrote:im pretty sure he was just referring to what KA does on offense. he's very ball-dominant and when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he has a tendency to stand around. he also wasn't much of a catch and shoot shooter so that added to his ineffectiveness off the ball.


wouldn't this be a coaching issue. he wasn't a catch and shoot but that wasn't his job. 2 years ago, he had no shot. last year he fixed that. i would think teams want to see improvement.


i don't think it's necessarily a coaching issue. moving off the ball is read and react. it's not always by design. it also doesn't matter if catching and shooting wasn't his role by design either. don't you think that skill should be expected for a perimeter player?
he doesn't always have to be the one making the play.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#172 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:53 pm

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i don't think it's necessarily a coaching issue. moving off the ball is read and react. it's not always by design. it also doesn't matter if catching and shooting wasn't his role by design either. don't you think that skill should be expected for a perimeter player?
he doesn't always have to be the one making the play.


He's never going to be a guy who is constantly running off screens like Klay Thompson, if that's what you're thinking.

Not many stretch 4's (which is what he will be) do that though.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#173 » by ManualRam » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:57 pm

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ManualRam wrote:
i don't think it's necessarily a coaching issue. moving off the ball is read and react. it's not always by design. it also doesn't matter if catching and shooting wasn't his role by design either. don't you think that skill should be expected for a perimeter player?
he doesn't always have to be the one making the play.


He's never going to be a guy who is constantly running off screens like Klay Thompson, if that's what you're thinking.

Not many stretch 4's (which is what he will be) do that though.

no. that's not what i was thinking. simple cuts, flashes, drifting in space to create a better passing angle, getting open instead of running to the ball, etc. if he's gonna be a 4, which i agree he will eventually be, he's gonna have to learn to set good screens too.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#174 » by EvanZ » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:25 pm

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ManualRam wrote:
i don't think it's necessarily a coaching issue. moving off the ball is read and react. it's not always by design. it also doesn't matter if catching and shooting wasn't his role by design either. don't you think that skill should be expected for a perimeter player?
he doesn't always have to be the one making the play.


He's never going to be a guy who is constantly running off screens like Klay Thompson, if that's what you're thinking.

Not many stretch 4's (which is what he will be) do that though.

no. that's not what i was thinking. simple cuts, flashes, drifting in space to create a better passing angle, getting open instead of running to the ball, etc. if he's gonna be a 4, which i agree he will eventually be, he's gonna have to learn to set good screens too.


Sure. I don't think any of these are beyond his reach (pun intended).
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#175 » by miltk » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:42 pm

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ManualRam wrote:im pretty sure he was just referring to what KA does on offense. he's very ball-dominant and when he doesn't have the ball in his hands he has a tendency to stand around. he also wasn't much of a catch and shoot shooter so that added to his ineffectiveness off the ball.


wouldn't this be a coaching issue. he wasn't a catch and shoot but that wasn't his job. 2 years ago, he had no shot. last year he fixed that. i would think teams want to see improvement.

a bit of latest info on kyle. atl likes him @15 and appear to be the most interested. phx worked kyle out at pg and he moved the ball upcourt easily. so both phx and atl is showing love. kyle has been having great workouts and his body is changing by the week.

he's been impressing everyone with his personality and bbIQ


What is your source?


someone really close to him and i pm each other on a "what's the latest" basis. like someone REALLY close who, though somewhat biased :D , would know.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#176 » by ManualRam » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:49 pm

or twitter. i read the same stuff on there.
atl brought him in twice already and he impressed.
the reports coming out of phx are strange. it sounds like they worked him out as a PG. i just read comments on how they tested his ability to bring the ball up vs pressure, how quickly he'd bring the ball up and they also commented on how he might defend smaller guards. none of those things are situations he should be put in at the next level on a consistent basis imo.
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Post#177 » by miltk » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:53 pm

ManualRam wrote:or twitter. i read the same stuff on there.
atl brought him in twice already and he impressed.
the reports coming out of phx are strange. it sounds like they worked him out as a PG. i just read comments on how they tested his ability to bring the ball up vs pressure, how quickly he'd bring the ball up and they also commented on how he might defend smaller guards. none of those things are situations he should be put in at the next level on a consistent basis imo.


well, one could at least assume it was due diligence on phx's part. they had justin cobbs on him. granted he's a rookie, but one equally motivated to impress
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#178 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:49 pm

Kyle Anderson is slow, but humans don't move faster than the basketball anyway. With him as a stretch 4, the team he plays for will have a speedy offense. He could be a beast with outlet passes and trailing 3 pointers. He has the potential to make his NBA teammates much much better. That's if his lack of defense and lack of hustle don't interfere. It's just so easy for me to envision him as a complete slob that becomes a total liability to his team in all areas that don't coincide with allowing him to dominate the basketball. Lamar Odom, Tim Thomas, and Charlie Villanueva, three immensely talented guys from the same basketball pipeline as Kyle Anderson. All three of them never became the super star players some people thought they could be and all three of them have inconsistent motors. Kyle Anderson is engaged offensively as long as he is given PG duties, what happens if he has to stand around as a stretch 4 while a more talented proven NBA player like John Wall is handling the basketball?
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#179 » by Mik317 » Sat Jun 14, 2014 9:48 pm

Boris Diaw's play could end up making Anderson a lot of money lol.
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Re: Kyle Anderson 

Post#180 » by BoutPractice » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:47 pm

You could also compare him ro Royce White, or Magic Johnson... The point is, players with his unique set of skills have been busts, superstars and literally everything in between. The range of outcomes is extremely wide, and people who'll say "I told you", no matter what happens, will be lying.

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