Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[driese0824]

K guys I know this will probably be a how dare u suggest this such a question,but here it goes.
What position does T Young play from Philly.I ask this cause all I know bout him is that he's young, n plays really good D n can score ok.If he's a Sg would this board b so against trading with Philly.

[driese0824]

Then trading knight and ersan and 31st to Lakers for there 7th.With that pick draft a smart or vonleh.
A starting 5 with smart,young,Giannis,Parker and Sanders doesn't seem that shabby.If anything its a great D lineup

[paulpressey25]

Did anyone post this on Embiid's Cav's visit?

Not sure its accurate or not of course.

That story got discredited yesterday. The guy who tweeted is a Cleveland sports talker named Rizzo. I believe the guy eventually deleted the tweet. Rizzo has apparently been railing on his show the past two weeks for the Cav's NOT to take Embiid. He even said on his show last week that he'd "jump off a bridge" if the Cav's drafted Embiid.

Some have speculated the tweet was a joke or was a clumsy plant by Dan Gilbert to try and cause some chaos and get the Sixers to trade with Cleveland to get Wiggins.

BTW--here is Rizzo's mug shot from his domestic violence arrest six-months ago.

[Frank Nova]

Then trading knight and ersan and 31st to Lakers for there 7th.With that pick draft a smart or vonleh.
A starting 5 with smart,young,Giannis,Parker and Sanders doesn't seem that shabby.If anything its a great D lineup

If we were to bring in Thad and draft Parker still, the starting 5 would all slide up a position;

Smart/Giannis/Parker/Thad/Larry.

Thad is more of a hybrid forward that can guard out to the perimeter. He is an excellent defender like u said, extremely athletic, he gets out and can run the floor. He also can stretch the floor because he has 3pt range but that's an aspect of his game u want to keep under control.

I'm a huge fan of Thad, I would love to bring him in.

[bebopdeluxe]

^^^^^You only do it if you see little difference in Wiggins and Parker, since you may end up with Parker if you trade w/Philly. But then you've bluffed Philly out of pick 10.

What in Sam Hinkie's background or history (either last year with the Sixers or before that with Houston) leads you to believe that there is ANY shot that he will give up the numbe 10 pick in this draft to move up one slot? Was it the deal he did last summer with the Pelicans that tells you that he is an idiot?

I see pages and pages of posts from people who are convinced that Hinkie is this reckless, impulsive GM...but I have yet to see any posts that can show - either in media reports now or in past coverage of his draft activity - that would suggest that he would make a trade like that...while there ar lots of historical examples of the exact oppsite - hoarding draft picks...moving DOWN instead of up to acquire more picks (which makes more likely the strategy - if Embiid and Wiggins are both off the board at 3 - of him taking Parker and seeing if he can pick up Exum and 23 from Utah if ORL takes Smart).

[driese0824]

Then trading knight and ersan and 31st to Lakers for there 7th.With that pick draft a smart or vonleh.
A starting 5 with smart,young,Giannis,Parker and Sanders doesn't seem that shabby.If anything its a great D lineup

If we were to bring in Thad and draft Parker still, the starting 5 would all slide up a position;

Smart/Giannis/Parker/Thad/Larry.

Thad is more of a err I hybrid forward that can guard out to the perimeter. He is an excellent defender like u said, extremely athletic, he gets out and can run the floor. He also can stretch the floor because he has 3pt range but that's an aspect of his game u want to keep under control.

I'm a huge fan of Thad, I would love to bring him in.

Your lineup is nice,imagine how much better if Giannis gets his jump shot down.It would be nice to have a Shooting guard who can actually shoot

[bebopdeluxe]

Then trading knight and ersan and 31st to Lakers for there 7th.With that pick draft a smart or vonleh.
A starting 5 with smart,young,Giannis,Parker and Sanders doesn't seem that shabby.If anything its a great D lineup

If we were to bring in Thad and draft Parker still, the starting 5 would all slide up a position;

Smart/Giannis/Parker/Thad/Larry.

Thad is more of a hybrid forward that can guard out to the perimeter. He is an excellent defender like u said, extremely athletic, he gets out and can run the floor. He also can stretch the floor because he has 3pt range but that's an aspect of his game u want to keep under control.

I'm a huge fan of Thad, I would love to bring him in.

I still believe that Thad is more in play in a package with 10 to see if we can get 7 from LAL (as Chad Ford suggested in his chat this week) to take Vonleh/Gordon/Randle...which is why all of this talk of trading 3 and 10 to move up to 2 makes ZERO sense. However, I think that it would probably be more likely that Hinkie would trade 3 and Thad to get to 2. To Hinkie, that 10 pick has insane value...and theree is NOTHING to suggest that he will just give it away to move up from 3 to 2.

I can provide links to Hinkie's comments where he tals about the value of 10 as a PLAYER, if the board wants.

[Mr Anonymous]

I see pages and pages of posts from people who are convinced that Hinkie is this reckless, impulsive GM

No you don't. This is getting ridiculous. Again, why do you care so much about what people are saying here? Are you that afraid it's true? That potentially Hinkie might package assets for once in his life to get a player he values significantly above others?

No one has said he's definitely going to package 3 and 10 to move up, just that it's possible. You're the one with the extreme position saying there is no way he'd do it. There sure as hell are scenarios where he'd do it. Oh, and if it will comfort you some, understand there's no guarantee that Mil or Cle have any interest in swapping 1 or 2 for 3 and 10.

[paulpressey25]

I can provide links to Hinkie's comments where he tals about the value of 10 as a PLAYER, if the board wants.

At the end of the day, if you believe Wiggins to be a transcendent talent over Jabari, you are parting with that #10 pick to get him, regardless of what smokescreen you might be saying publicly.

As has been disussed, this isn't the NFL draft where more picks have great value. The NBA is all about the picks in the top 1, 2 or 3 and in many years only about the top 1. When the Bucks got shafted in the lottery in 2007 and got pushed down from pick 3 to pick 6, they offered #6 (Yi), Charlie V. (who had some value back then) and a future first to Atlanta for pick #3 so they could take Horford. Atlanta rejected them. And we all know how Yi (who was damn hyped in his own right back then) v. Horford turned out. Moving up one slot in the NBA draft is sometimes impossible even if you offer the other team a King's ransom.

None of us have any idea where the Sixers rank Jabari v. Wiggins. Maybe they see them as equal, in which case the discussion is moot.

[Mr Anonymous]

I can provide links to Hinkie's comments where he tals about the value of 10 as a PLAYER, if the board wants.

Please save yourself the hassle. You actually put weight into public comments made by GM's this time of year? Really?

[bebopdeluxe]

I can provide links to Hinkie's comments where he tals about the value of 10 as a PLAYER, if the board wants.

Please save yourself the hassle. You actually put weight into public comments made by GM's this time of year? Really?

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot? Huh?

I have not seen a SINGLE credible report from any reputable Sixers insider that suggests that the Sixers have this laser-like focus on Wiggins and no one else....while there are MULTIPLE actual real-life examples of Hinkie trading DOWN to stockpile assets.

(to reference, do a Google search for "Nate Wolters Sixers Trade 2013 draft")

[trwi7]

^rattled

[paulpressey25]

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot?

We don't believe that the Sixers have a hard-on for Wiggins.

All we know is that for the last three years, scouts, GM and the media have been proclaiming this the "Wiggins draft" For that reason, he's been viewed as a transcendent talent and the clear #1 overall pick, up until about six-months ago when Joel Embiid came on the scene and Jabari started doing some "moves" that got people all jizzed up.

The bottom line is the Sixers are going to get a great prospect in Jabari with pick #3.

[Mr Anonymous]

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot? Huh?

Honestly, I have no strong feeling that they want to move up at all. Just not ruling it out. Not even sure the "hard-on" would be for Wiggins. Could be Embiid, could be Parker?

I have not seen a SINGLE credible report from any reputable Sixers insider that suggests that the Sixers have this laser-like focus on Wiggins and no one else

If anything, this probably adds to the rumor. One could conclude that it's in a GM's best interest to stay mum on whom you covet most. Or it could mean nothing. You seem to be the one to jump to such strong conclusions. The concept should be right up your alley.

Sidenote: I honestly gave two craps what Philly did until yesterday. Now I really, REALLY hope Philly does indeed package 3 and 10 to move up. Whether it's with us or Cleveland I could care less.

[mlloyd10]

Wasn't there an article that came out yesterday that hammond may go for a project "Exum"

[bizarro]

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot? Huh?

Honestly, I have no strong feeling that they want to move up at all. Just not ruling it out. Not even sure the "hard-on" would be for Wiggins. Could be Embiid, could be Parker?

It's like comparing apples and bananas, really:

[bebopdeluxe]

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot?

We don't believe that the Sixers have a hard-on for Wiggins.

All we know is that for the last three years, scouts, GM and the media have been proclaiming this the "Wiggins draft" For that reason, he's been viewed as a transcendent talent and the clear #1 overall pick, up until about six-months ago when Joel Embiid came on the scene and Jabari started doing some "moves" that got people all jizzed up.

The bottom line is the Sixers are going to get a great prospect in Jabari with pick #3.

Personally, I would take Exum over Wiggins...I am just REALLY leery of taking a wing guy who does not have a quality handle. I think that Exum could be one of the best guys out ofmthis draft, and the only reason he is not being talked about more is because of his lack of playing time this past year. Under the old rules, as a high school kid i think he would have WAY more buzz attached to him.

My dream scenario is what I mentioned...Embiid and Wiggins are gone...we take Parker...ORL takes Smart...and we get 5 and 23 from UTA for Parker and take Exum (with Hinkie doing his mad scientist thing with 23 and 32 to move up into the late teens to pick up another potential impact guy). Like I have been saying, Hinkie is an asset-gatherer...which is why trading 3 and 10 to move up one slot goes TOTALLY against the way he operates.

[trwi7]

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot? Huh?

Honestly, I have no strong feeling that they want to move up at all. Just not ruling it out. Not even sure the "hard-on" would be for Wiggins. Could be Embiid, could be Parker?

It's like comparing apples and bananas, really:

The position of the apples and bananas is just delightful.

[randy84]

If you truly believe that, then what makes you think that the Sixers have such a hard-on for Wiggins that they would trade 10 to move up one slot?

We don't believe that the Sixers have a hard-on for Wiggins.

All we know is that for the last three years, scouts, GM and the media have been proclaiming this the "Wiggins draft" For that reason, he's been viewed as a transcendent talent and the clear #1 overall pick, up until about six-months ago when Joel Embiid came on the scene and Jabari started doing some "moves" that got people all jizzed up.

The bottom line is the Sixers are going to get a great prospect in Jabari with pick #3.

Personally, I would take Exum over Wiggins...I am just REALLY leery of taking a wing guy who does not have a quality handle. I think that Exum could be one of the best guys out ofmthis draft, and the only reason he is not being talked about more is because of his lack of playing time this past year. Under the old rules, as a high school kid i think he would have WAY more buzz attached to him.

My dream scenario is what I mentioned...Embiid and Wiggins are gone...we take Parker...ORL takes Smart...and we get 5 and 23 from UTA for Parker and take Exum (with Hinkie doing his mad scientist thing with 23 and 32 to move up into the late teens to pick up another potential impact guy). Like I have been saying, Hinkie is an asset-gatherer...which is why trading 3 and 10 to move up one slot goes TOTALLY against the way he operates.

So you get Exum and a random guy at #10 over Wiggins? In a draft that is a consensus top 3 draft.

Not to mention that Exum wants to play PG and MCW would either have to be moved or you are forcing Exum to play the SG.

[breakchains]

If the Bucks had #2 and #10, I would give that up for Embiid.

Anyway, there has been a lot of smoke around the rumor that Kristaps has a promise from OKC that I believe there is a fire there. He's a guy I'd definitely look into if we got another late lotto pick.