2014 Official FA Thread

WeekapaugGroove · Post #901 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:24 pm

Both fry and tucker are nice players and contribute to wins but if the ultimate goal is to compete for a ring not the 8 seed it might be best to let them walk. I think McDonough is hell bent on adding another star type player in the next 18 months and investing multi yr contracts in these two limits their financial flexibility.

I think it was evident that this front office is taking the patient approach when they didn't deal any picks at the deadline to chase the 8 seed. I hope they keep this strategy and don't make any short sited moves if they strike out on adding a star this summer. Keep adding young assets and wait for the opportunity to make a big splash move at the deadline or next summer.

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gaspar · Post #902 » by **gaspar** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:24 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Because Boozer has more of a post game and presence than Kief and Frye.

Sunsdeuce wrote:I have to agree. The ability to post up in today's NBA is dying skill yet super important. Players that can post up are becoming very hard to find. I hate that about today's game it's all about the three point shot. Boozer has that skill. I won't mind having that on the suns. You all have seen the disaster when tucker tries to post up. Boozer would be an upgrade. Hate to say this but this is the pansy era of basketball. I would welcome boozer.

Honestly, how many Bulls games have you seen last year?

Some stats for you:

PPP on post-ups last year
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

Also, HERE you can find where Boozer ranked in RPM amongst all power forwards in the league last year.

No further comment needed.

gaspar · Post #903 » by **gaspar** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:32 pm

DarkHawk wrote:Not sure why people are suddenly forgetting how important Tucker is to our team.

Fo-Real · Post #904 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:52 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
BobbieL wrote:The thing with Melo is both Houston (Asik and Lin) and Chicago (a guy like Gibson) would need to be moved. Personally, Gibson is the best player of the three.

Is Gibson's contract an asset? Is there any way we could squeeze a draft pick out of helping them clear cap space? As in, we take Dunleavy, pass Gibson off to a third team by taking back a second unwanted contract, and get the #16 in the deal? I do this if we have a plan to use #14 and #18 to move up: there are a lot of prospects in our range I like.

Fo-Real wrote:If Golden State is interested in him, maybe we can work out something around Barnes and Frye?

Not interested. Barnes was a ghost last year.

jcsunsfan wrote:
Cutter wrote:I was listening to Gambo on the radio yesterday and he was openly rosterbating about the Suns and Warriors being the top teams to get KLove. He also said Suns should sign Pau Gasol to help entice Love here. If we did get Love and Gasol as the starting 4/5, I think we would need a strong defensive SF to help offset their defensive liabilities. Enter PJ Tucker. With Goran, Bledsoe, love and Gasol we will have no trouble scoring. This team needs defense, and lots of it. As a matter of fact, the lack of crunch time defense is what will prevent us from contending deeply in the playoffs. If we do trade Tucker, I want to get a defensive SF back.

How about, in this scenario, trading up for Aaron Gordon. I know he is projected as a pf, but he can guard both positions and he would be a perfect match with Love.

Agreed. But the only way he drops into our range (8th pick and below, IMO) is if Randle and Smart go ahead of him. A lot of chatter about how good he's been in workouts, which casts doubt, in my mind, on our ability to get him.

You call a guy in his second year on his rookie contract, playing a high priced iggy a ghost, a d in the same post contemplate trying to acquire the contract of.... Mike Dunleavy..............YEAH...CHECK!?!?

Fo-Real · Post #905 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:55 pm

gaspar wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Because Boozer has more of a post game and presence than Kief and Frye.
Sunsdeuce wrote:I have to agree. The ability to post up in today's NBA is dying skill yet super important. Players that can post up are becoming very hard to find. I hate that about today's game it's all about the three point shot. Boozer has that skill. I won't mind having that on the suns. You all have seen the disaster when tucker tries to post up. Boozer would be an upgrade. Hate to say this but this is the pansy era of basketball. I would welcome boozer.

Honestly, how many Bulls games have you seen last year?

Some stats for you:

PPP on post-ups last year
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

Also, HERE you can find where Boozer ranked in RPM amongst all power forwards in the league last year.

No further comment needed.

You put Boozer in this system on this team and give him the role you give Frye and Kief and he is better at everything except the three ball. I mean everything.... PASSING... SETTING SCREENS.... EVERYTHING!!! Comment was needed!!!

gaspar · Post #906 » by **gaspar** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 6:58 pm

Fo-Real wrote:You putput Boozer on this team in this system and give him the role of Frye and Kief..... and he is better at everything except the 3 ball. HE IS EVEN BETTER AT SETTING DAMN SCREENS..... I mean everything!!!

Fo-Real · Post #907 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:02 pm

There is a game on youtube in witch our Biggs matched up with Boozer... take a look at it and tell me witch one of Frye Kief or even Plumlee outplayed Boozer..... they were non existent. So keep your female YEAH OK! Thats so cute... what are you 12?!?!

Fo-Real · Post #908 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:19 pm

Im not trying to get your panties in a bunch, or start a girl fight gif war ( cause men dont do that...lol), this is just my personal opinion about Boozer... no offense to your opinion, and you are entitled to yours.

Sunsdeuce · Post #909 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:25 pm

Fo-Real wrote:
gaspar wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:Because Boozer has more of a post game and presence than Kief and Frye.
Sunsdeuce wrote:I have to agree. The ability to post up in today's NBA is dying skill yet super important. Players that can post up are becoming very hard to find. I hate that about today's game it's all about the three point shot. Boozer has that skill. I won't mind having that on the suns. You all have seen the disaster when tucker tries to post up. Boozer would be an upgrade. Hate to say this but this is the pansy era of basketball. I would welcome boozer.

Honestly, how many Bulls games have you seen last year?

Some stats for you:

PPP on post-ups last year
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

Also, HERE you can find where Boozer ranked in RPM amongst all power forwards in the league last year.

No further comment needed.

You put Boozer in this system on this team and give him the role you give Frye and Kief and he is better at everything except the three ball. I mean everything.... PASSING... SETTING SCREENS.... EVERYTHING!!! Comment was needed!!!

Again agree. Boozer has more talent than any of our forwards, small or power. The bulls coach hated boozer. I guarantee hornacek would get way more out of boozer than what the bulls got. Thibs is a great defensive coach but not a great offensive minded coach. Boozer was misused in Chicago. Look at how good he was in Utah. Players do get misused a lot in the nba. Example number one: Gerald Green.

Trying argue that markeiff was better last year doesn't hold weight. I mean the bulls average points per game was under 95 points. There is a reason boozer got a huge contract and markeiff will never get a huge contract.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #910 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:42 pm

Boozer? Really? Dude turns 33 this yr and is definitely in the declining phase of his career. No thanks

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #911 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:58 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
gaspar wrote:Honestly, how many Bulls games have you seen last year?

Some stats for you:

PPP on post-ups last year
Markieff 0.94 (360 plays)
Boozer 0.72 (348 plays)

Also, HERE you can find where Boozer ranked in RPM amongst all power forwards in the league last year.

No further comment needed.

You put Boozer in this system on this team and give him the role you give Frye and Kief and he is better at everything except the three ball. I mean everything.... PASSING... SETTING SCREENS.... EVERYTHING!!! Comment was needed!!!

Again agree. Boozer has more talent than any of our forwards, small or power. The bulls coach hated boozer. I guarantee hornacek would get way more out of boozer than what the bulls got. Thibs is a great defensive coach but not a great offensive minded coach. Boozer was misused in Chicago. Look at how good he was in Utah. Players do get misused a lot in the nba. Example number one: Gerald Green.

Trying argue that markeiff was better last year doesn't hold weight. I mean the bulls average points per game was under 95 points. There is a reason boozer got a huge contract and markeiff will never get a huge contract.

do you truly believe 2014 boozer is better than 2014 markeif? That's crazy. Sure boozer is his prime was the better player but those years are long gone for Carlos. If both him and markief were unrestricted free agents theres no question keif would get the larger contract, probably by a big margin.

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ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #912 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:07 pm

Fo-Real wrote:You call a guy in his second year on his rookie contract, playing a high priced iggy a ghost, and in the same post contemplate trying to acquire the contract of.... Mike Dunleavy..............YEAH...CHECK!?!?

I don't think I was being unclear that taking on Dunleavy's contract would be doing a favor to the Bulls, clearing cap space. Dunleavy isn't the asset, the draft pick is. We're not giving up something of value for Dunleavy, we're taking back something of value. Understand the difference?

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #913 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:14 pm

First, if we're talking about Boozer, we're talking about picking him up after he's cleared waivers. Presumably, Chicago's not worried about the money, so they should amnesty him rather than use their draft picks to facilitate a trade.

I think Kieff is probably better than Boozer defensively and in terms of energy. But offensively they're pretty comparable. Boozer's better on the glass. I don't think there's a huge drop-off. But he doesn't really fill a need unless we're trading the Morrises and didn't get a PF back. I don't foresee that scenario - presumably, if we traded the Morrises, it would be because we had an opportunity to pick up a young PF better than Kieff. Such a player would, I think, probably be a traditional post-up 4, which is what Boozer is. So boozer only becomes an option for us in a fairly narrow set of circumstances, I think.

letsgosuns · Post #914 » by **letsgosuns** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:48 pm

I have no interest in Boozer at any price. I know what he can do, and I do not think he is going to help turn the Suns into a championship contender. I really have never liked him his entire career. He can get rebounds and play defense somewhat, but I would much rather watch Markieff's game grow than pick up Boozer. Plus, as already pointed earlier, Boozer is 32. I think he would get smoked by the other power forwards in the West. He benefits from playing in the Eastern conference.

Fo-Real · Post #915 » by **Fo-Real** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:09 am

Opinions........ dont care how old he is... I think he is better now and makes us better next year. Dont think there is another option aside from Gasol who you can say that about that may be available, and he would be cheaper. Not saying to sign the guy to a multi year deal... one year. If Kief is ready to be a starter and keeps getting better then yeah... but the year Frye was out... he was a joke, on the scale of us being ready to run him out of town. All just my opinion... I am not currently running the team... so its not like I will be introducing Boozer to you guys tomorrow.

letsgosuns · Post #916 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:49 am

Fo-Real wrote:Opinions........ dont care how old he is... I think he is better now and makes us better next year. Dont think there is another option aside from Gasol who you can say that about that may be available, and he would be cheaper. Not saying to sign the guy to a multi year deal... one year. If Kief is ready to be a starter and keeps getting better then yeah... but the year Frye was out... he was a joke, on the scale of us being ready to run him out of town. All just my opinion... I am not currently running the team... so its not like I will be introducing Boozer to you guys tomorrow.

I would much rather have Gasol because I do not think Boozer makes the Suns any better. Gasol is a legitimate inside presence to the point that I believe he can still dominate inside. I have never thought Boozer could dominate inside. There was a time not to long ago that Gasol was considered the best center in the league alongside Dwight Howard, and I always thought Gasol's offense was much better than Howard's. I would excited if the Suns signed Gasol and incredibly disappointed if the Suns signed Boozer.

drewsprocket · Post #917 » by **drewsprocket** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:02 am

Aaron Gordon could totally be the target of this draft...Trading up for him might cost someone but so be it. Is Frye eligible to be traded? He'd be good to go and leave minutes for Len and Plumlee and Kief to develop more.
Frye plus #14 and second rounder could do it. Keep the 18th and 27th for good development to replace any other FA's who want more money than we can afford.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #918 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:23 am

drewsprocket wrote:Aaron Gordon could totally be the target of this draft...Trading up for him might cost someone but so be it. Is Frye eligible to be traded? He'd be good to go and leave minutes for Len and Plumlee and Kief to develop more.
Frye plus #14 and second rounder could do it. Keep the 18th and 27th for good development to replace any other FA's who want more money than we can afford.

If Frye opts in, we can trade him. I don't think he opts in.

DirtyDez · Post #919 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:46 am

I'll bite for the Deng/Gasol honks:

Frye opts-out and Tucker gets overpaid. Trade #14, #27 and Plumlee for a top-7 pick...

Bledsoe, Goodwin
Dragic, Green (Harris/Young/Lavine)
Deng, MM
Kieff, Gordon/Randle
Pau, Len

How far does that team go?

drewsprocket · Post #920 » by **drewsprocket** » Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:41 am

DirtyDez wrote:I'll bite for the Deng/Gasol honks:

Frye opts-out and Tucker gets overpaid. Trade #14, #27 and Plumlee for a top-7 pick...

Bledsoe, Goodwin
Dragic, Green (Harris/Young/Lavine)
Deng, MM
Kieff, Gordon/Randle
Pau, Len

How far does that team go?

I like that squad but I think it's unlikely that we'll nab both Deng and Gasol. I think grabbing Gordon means him being the starting SF for good.

Having Pau and Gordon allows for starting Kieff at PF potentially, although Kieff would really have to work on his Pick and Pop three point shot. I was thinking how Frye would work better alongside Pau as he'd have a lot more quality open shots.

Something else to think about is who do the Suns sign if no trade brings in a star and we re-sign Bledsoe.