The Trade Thread - v2

[dan2314]

Pistons in: SF Wilson Chandler + 25th pick (HOU)
Pistons out: SF Kyle Singler + 2 future 2nd round picks

DET Reason: Adds a solid wing player to help with our spacing issues and we also get back into the 1st rd.

Rockets in: 2 future Detroit 2nds, PF/C JJ Hickson
Rockets out: PG Jeremy Lin + 25th pick

HOU Reason: shaves around 9 mill in cap space and adds a young, talented PF to go along with Howard.

Nuggets in: SF Kyle Singler + PG Jeremy Lin
Nuggets out: SF Wilson Chandler + PF/C JJ Hickson

DEN Reason: Turns long-term salary into two expiring contracts that will help them re-sign Faried next off-season.

Denver gets raped. Not happening.

Swap Lin with Asik (since DEN needs a C MUCH more than they need another PG) and i think that could actually have some legs. Don't think we'd be able to get the pick here though. Probably would more likely just be Detroit gives up one second along with Singler for chandler and that's it. Works for me, even though we are still probably winning this trade out of everyone. Might have to give Denver a little something extra. Kind of like Hickson on the Rockets how its set up right now too, probably comes off the bench unless they're playing a massive team so they keep the floor spacing of first unit though, but would be a very nice fit.

[Kstegall21]

Pistons in: SF Wilson Chandler + 25th pick (HOU)
Pistons out: SF Kyle Singler + 2 future 2nd round picks

DET Reason: Adds a solid wing player to help with our spacing issues and we also get back into the 1st rd.

Rockets in: 2 future Detroit 2nds, PF/C JJ Hickson
Rockets out: PG Jeremy Lin + 25th pick

HOU Reason: shaves around 9 mill in cap space and adds a young, talented PF to go along with Howard.

Nuggets in: SF Kyle Singler + PG Jeremy Lin
Nuggets out: SF Wilson Chandler + PF/C JJ Hickson

DEN Reason: Turns long-term salary into two expiring contracts that will help them re-sign Faried next off-season.

Denver gets raped. Not happening.

Swap Lin with Asik (since DEN needs a C MUCH more than they need another PG) and i think that could actually have some legs. Don't think we'd be able to get the pick here though. Probably would more likely just be Detroit gives up one second along with Singler for chandler and that's it. Works for me, even though we are still probably winning this trade out of everyone. Might have to give Denver a little something extra. Kind of like Hickson on the Rockets how its set up right now too, probably comes off the bench unless they're playing a massive team so they keep the floor spacing of first unit though, but would be a very nice fit.

Yeah switching Lin for Asik makes ALOT more sense. I wouldn't mind sending them Jerekbo's expiring contract with Singler. Hickson just tore his ACL so I doubt HOU would have any interest in this trade anymore.

[rock digger]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=potfnl9

DET trades: Josh Smith, Will Bynum
BOS trades: Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass, Keith Bogans, #6 pick

Boston turns a bunch of deadweight contracts into a very talented player who's close friends with Rondo. Also, they maintain their cap flexibility, allowing them to potentially reunite Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens. If they could keep Avery Bradley too, they'd be a very interesting team to watch in the East.

We can waive Bogans since his deal isn't guaranteed and work on a buyout of Wallace. Bass, however, would be a great 3rd big to play behind Drumroe. And obviously, a draft pick that would possibly net us either Smart or Exum would be awesome.

No way Boston gives up the 6th, Maybe take out Bass and Bogans and we could do it for the 17th.

Why the hell wouldnt they? They get rid of a LOT of money that we are going to want no part of and the dip from whatever is available at #6 to Josh Smith is not that huge.

TBH i dont think i would even do this from our end. Seems like we are overrating josh smiths terribleness i little by doing something like this.
It puts 3 deadweight players on the team for 2 seasons (Bass for one) and takes up $20Million (!!!) in cap space for each of those years. This just puts a giant clamp on where the team can go for another 2 years waiting for them to expire. That's just too long.
Josh Smith and Will Bynum are god awful, and i can't stand watching them but they do not have THAT much negative value to them, and not even the #6 pick, which could just as easily be a complete bust, doesnt make up for that in my eyes.

I do think there is room for something here though. But i would love to still be able to use the space we're getting from cv + stuck on throwing a ton of money at Gordon Hayward. So if we kept it at something like Wallace, Bass and #6 for Smith, Bynum and then gave them a bit more value with Singler so we dont have to take another bad contract. I don't know why the Celtics wouldnt take that.

Think about the trade for a moment. Do you have any hesitation when you look at the trade from a Piston standpoint? No? Then it's probably not an even trade. The drop off from #6 to Smith is HUGE. Right now the league looks at Smith as literally a NEGATIVE value to his team. There's no way anything with Smith as the centerpiece would get the #6 pick - a place where players such as Noah Vonleh or even Dante Exum could be selected.

Even if you don't think Smith has negative value in the trade, you said it yourself, you think he is god awful. The Celtics don't need any cap space since they are a rebuilding team. The only situation where they would want cap space is in order to get Kevin Love, but in this trade they trade away their biggest asset AND obtain someone who blocks their cap space (Smith). The trade doesn't make sense in any realm.

[Neptune]

wow...I hope that is possible.

Biyombo is such a good fit and Henderson is a decent fit.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kotu76u

It works!

LOL! I meant that I hope it is possible for Charlotte to give a different kind of legal consent.

obligatory: "Josh Smith isn't terrible. He can flourish in _____." *slowly backs away from Neptune*

@Entouarge: Good trade idea. A trio featuring Monroe/Drummond/Biyambo would be beautiful!

@Coolness: Lol!

Josh Smith and Peyton Siva for Brandon Bass and 2018 Nets 1st round pick.

No

[princeofpalace]

Would SAS go for this; Tiago Splitter and Danny Green for Josh Smith?

[Q00]

If the Knicks can get a first round pick for Shumpert and cash, what would the Pistons have to give up to get a similar deal done? KCP?

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[tmorgan]

Would SAS go for this; Tiago Splitter and Danny Green for Josh Smith?

I don't care what we get -- seeing Pop try to coach JSmith in place of Duncan would be irresistible drama. Smith either becomes the all-star his talent has always suggested, or Pop kills himself.

[coolness]

The "punt approach." We just load up on crap to expire with Jennings. Don't worry, it's still crazy...

KCP, Singler, Smoove
for
Crash, Bass, J.Anthony, #6, #17

Why? we're punting.
Why for Boston?
* Smoove helps them more than their 3 outgoing vets.
* Smoove + KCP + Singler cost about $4m less than those 3. they save again not paying the picks.
* Singler is worth #17.
* KCP + the Smoove overage + savings can be worth #6.


2. 7 2nd's for another mid-1st. Anything from #15 - #21 would be fine...

3. JULY........ Tony Mitchell for Foye, Hickson, McGee, and the guy they pick at #11.
why? we're punting. Those 3 expire with Jennings. #11 could be just as nice as #6.
why for them? they go from over the cap to $14m under the cap. They sign Monroe. We don't.

4. July 2015....max-extension for DRUMMOND.
Bynum, Jerebko, Bass, and Anthony expire, look at FA's or buying one-year deals with future 1st's included.

5. July 2016....core = #6, #11, #17, #20?, 1st of 2015 (lotto, probly), 1st of 2016, DRUMMOND, MUCH CAP.

It would suck for 2 years. But unlike last season's suck, we would have 1st's and a slightly better than horrible fit. Also, Drummond is still improving, so now isn't our window.

[Entourage27]

How about Josh Smith to the nets for Mirza Teletovic and Marcus Thornton. Both of those guys are expiring and we'll probably grab a couple future second round picks in that deal as well. Thoughts?

EDIT: With the way our team is currently constructed, we can go into the 2015 off season with Drummond, KCP, Monroe, and Jennings (expiring) under contract. Singler would prolly get resigned and we would likely have our second round pick from this season signed as well. That would mean we would have enough money for 2 max free agents.

[MotownMadness]

How about Josh Smith to the nets for Mirza Teletovic and Marcus Thornton. Both of those guys are expiring and we'll probably grab a couple future second round picks in that deal as well. Thoughts?

Done deal

[The Penguin]

Pistons in - Harrison Barnes, Gerald Henderson, Bismack Biyombo

GSW in - Greg Monroe, Brandon Jennings (Jefferson TPE), Kyle Singler (Bazemore TPE)

Charlotte in - David Lee, Gigi Datome



GSW turn Lee/Barnes into Monroe, have to take back Jennings (who fills their Blake role as a pg who can let Curry move off the ball for stretches)

Charlotte adds their 4 to play between Jefferson-MKG

Pistons add a young 3 who may need a change of scenery, a backup big to put behind Drummond/Smith and a decent wing option while carving out an additional ~$10 mil of cap space. Easily have enough cap room to target both Stephenson & Lowry.


Lowry/Bynum/Siva
Stephenson/KCP
Barnes/Henderson/Mitchell
Smith/Jerebko
Drummond/Biyombo/Harrelson

[jakebernat]

backdoor deal time!
with the pels showing interest in monroe, let's see just how interested they are. since we can't combine anyone from our team with moose in a sign and trade, we'd have to make two separate deals to get a good return for monroe.

i first say we agree to a sign and trade of moose for jrue holiday and jeff withey. since the pels will need a PG after that deal, they'd naturally inquire about jennings. we could then turn and offer jennings and singler for ryno which would make a lot of sense for both sides with our need for shooting and their need for a PG and SF.

basically, we trade moose, jennings, and singler for holiday, ryno, and withey. i'd be floored if we could pull that off.

[Laimbeer]

Hendo and #24 for #38? Hornets looking for cap space.

[sfballa13]

I wouldnt mind trying to help the Clippers sign Melo/Lebron

We could easily absorb JJ Reddick + Jared Dudley in exchange for future draft picks from the Clippers

Get our starting SG (who is familiar with SVG), a decent backup SF, and some 1st round draft picks in the process

Throw the rest of our money at Ariza and Lowry while we match whatever deal Monroe gets, we would be:

Lowry / Jennings
Reddick / Singler
Ariza / Dudley
Monroe / Smith
Drummond

We need to get in on the Lebron / Melo sweepstakes by absorbing contracts either from Houston, Clippers, Dallas in exchange for picks. I dont want to absorb Gibson and give the Bulls a shot at Melo however.

[dan2314]

Hendo and #24 for #38? Hornets looking for cap space.

Hornets aren't going to move back 14 spots just to move hendo for cap space. I'd take him straight for #38 though.

EDIT: Actually doing that trade is essentially signing him in FA but giving up a draft pick to do so. He is not valuable enough to have to try and pry him away like that with a pick. I was thinking more along the lines of 'if he was there at pick #38 in the draft would you take him', but its a little difference because its not a rookie contract. I'd rather save the cap space to sign someone hopefully better in FA tbh.

[jakebernat]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=potfnl9

DET trades: Josh Smith, Will Bynum
BOS trades: Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass, Keith Bogans, #6 pick

Boston turns a bunch of deadweight contracts into a very talented player who's close friends with Rondo. Also, they maintain their cap flexibility, allowing them to potentially reunite Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens. If they could keep Avery Bradley too, they'd be a very interesting team to watch in the East.

We can waive Bogans since his deal isn't guaranteed and work on a buyout of Wallace. Bass, however, would be a great 3rd big to play behind Drumroe. And obviously, a draft pick that would possibly net us either Smart or Exum would be awesome.

No way Boston gives up the 6th, Maybe take out Bass and Bogans and we could do it for the 17th.

Revisiting this deal, I'd definitely still do it if we swapped out the 6th for the 17th. We could draft McDaniels, who I'm very high on, and still buy out Wallace, saving us even more money on Smith's deal.

Boston drafts Smart/Exum and agrees to sign and trade Jeff Green and fillers for Hayward, leaving then plenty of money to resign Bradley. Everyone's happy.

[Neptune]

KCP, Singler, Smoove
for
Crash, Bass, J.Anthony, #6, #17

No

Would SAS go for this; Tiago Splitter and Danny Green for Josh Smith?

Spurs would love this deal. The thing is, the Pistons wouldn't offer it.

How about Josh Smith to the nets for Mirza Teletovic and Marcus Thornton.

Definitely no, Pistons aren't trading Smith for garbage. Plus we're not in cap-hell, so expiring contracts isn't attractive.

Pistons in - Harrison Barnes, Gerald Henderson, Bismack Biyombo

GSW in - Greg Monroe, Brandon Jennings (Jefferson TPE), Kyle Singler (Bazemore TPE)

Charlotte in - David Lee, Gigi Datome

We get jerked in this deal man and we're left without a starting PG.

Hendo and #24 for #38? Hornets looking for cap space.

Good trade idea. If you want me to, I'll call Dumars and suggest this idea.

[coolness]

Thought I'd start trouble again...

1. Siva/Datome/Mitchell/Jorts for Dunleavy <--- not the trouble obviously. Chicago needs reserves and they know they might win the trade by the middle of the season. Dunleavy just gives us an extra Singler.

2. Det out: Bynum/Jerebko/38th/SixFuture2nd's/Drummond
Det in: Dragic/Len/13th/14th/18th (draft G.Harris, A.Payne, and C.Capela)
Why? We become a home-court playoff team in one swoop.

Min out: 13th
Min in: 27th/38th/50th/SixFuture2nd'sDet
Why? they clearly get the value. Realgm Twoolf fans likely would not agree.

Pho out: Dragic/Len/14th/18th/27th
Pho in: Bynum/Jerebko/Drummond
Why? Drummond+ Bledsoe = Big Two. And a bench and flexibility for a Big Three.

3. Re-sign Monroe.

Dragic, KCP, Singler, Smoove, Moose
bench: Jennings, Dunleavy, Len
rooks: Harris, Payne, Capela

4. signings with other cap. look at Smennings for Nash trade too. That gives even more cap. If he retires, it gives a crap-ton of cap space. Magical things could happen. Or not. We could buy one-year deals with future 1st's if anything.

[ducler]

Huhhh


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[Kilo]

What about a future top 20 protected first rounder for the PHX - their #27? I figure they might not want three rookies from this draft and three guaranteed contracts that would come with it. With the top 20 protection, it would mean that the next time we finish with #20 or higher it would go to PHX but we'd never risk losing any better a pick. PHX would have this pick in their pocket and could use it as a trade chip or hold on to it to have a second first rounder when we're finally good enough to finish in the top 3rd of the league.