Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[chonestown]

Just posted this in the other thread:

Ginobli/Parker --> Exum
Kawhi --> Wiggins
??? --> Parker

Diaw

Diaw with Parker's personality and work ethic would be a pretty great player

If nothing else, Parker and Diaw share body types and intense longing for pastries [allegedly]

[cinematographer]

Yeah let's not draft a player because you can't envision him operating in an already filled role on the Spurs. It takes an unbelievable amount of bias to even fathom that a great Coach like Pop would not only not want but wouldn't be able to find a starting role for and to get the most out of a talented 19 year old player like Parker.

If you don't pass or defend you don't play for Pop, Parker would need to get with the program, could easily see him coming off the bench to start, playing for the best NBA team.

Pop and his coaching staff would actually Coach him up and help him adjust to playing in his system, which Parker would be able to adapt his game to fit just like Kawhi, Danny Green and just about everyone else the Spurs Organization has brought in.

A) Kawhi and Green are perimeter players
B) Both can actually play defense
C) They can actually pass, too
D) Parker's style of game has no place on the Spurs.

Edit) Pop isn't going to change his system because of a shooting-happy, passing-starved, tepidly efficient stretch-4.

[Frank Nova]

Getting them to Milwaukee for a workout is great, but, I'd be much more excited if Wiggins and Parker came in for a workout to go against eachother.

I'd also like to bring in Embiid to go against Jusuf Nurkic 1on1 or really any other big in this class. Bring in Isaiah Austin to go against him. I could really care less who the player is but I'd feel much better about the situation seeing what they can do against competition rather than running them through drills against chairs and assistant coaches.

If Parker and Wiggins came in together and 1 dominated the other, would it change anyone's stance if "their guy" was the 1 that got dominated? I mean I realize u could just as easily say "that's a small sample that doesn't prove enough" but can't u say the same exact thing if they come in for individual workouts?

[JayMKE]

here's a funny tidbit about Diaw from Marc Stein's article on him

"Boris walks into the gym one day wearing flip-flops and holding his customary cappuccino, which was a staple for him every morning," Griffin recalled. "It was during pre-draft workouts, so he sees the Vertec [machine] and asks what it is.

"We tell him it measures your vertical leap by determining how many of the bars you can touch. He asks what's the highest anyone has ever gone, and we tell him Amare' [Stoudemire] cleared the entire rack.

"Boris puts down the cappuccino, takes off his flip-flops and clears the entire rack on the first try. Then he calmly puts his flip-flops back on, picks up his cappuccino and walks away, saying, 'That was not difficult."

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11084748/boris-diaw-dishes-san-antonio-spurs

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

here's a funny tidbit about Diaw from Marc Stein's article on him

"Boris walks into the gym one day wearing flip-flops and holding his customary cappuccino, which was a staple for him every morning," Griffin recalled. "It was during pre-draft workouts, so he sees the Vertec [machine] and asks what it is.

"We tell him it measures your vertical leap by determining how many of the bars you can touch. He asks what's the highest anyone has ever gone, and we tell him Amare' [Stoudemire] cleared the entire rack.

"Boris puts down the cappuccino, takes off his flip-flops and clears the entire rack on the first try. Then he calmly puts his flip-flops back on, picks up his cappuccino and walks away, saying, 'That was not difficult."

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/11084748/boris-diaw-dishes-san-antonio-spurs

[DanoMac]

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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

So we know Parker is tomorrow and Wiggins is Friday...is Embiid Wednesday?

[RRyder823]

Yeah let's not draft a player because you can't envision him operating in an already filled role on the Spurs. It takes an unbelievable amount of bias to even fathom that a great Coach like Pop would not only not want but wouldn't be able to find a starting role for and to get the most out of a talented 19 year old player like Parker.

It is true that you do not simply seek to copy the current Champ, but it is much easier to imagine a player succeeding when it has been before. What player in a prominent role from any NBA Champ has a game that is similar to Parker or Melo?

Off the top of my head the only 1 in the last 25 years or so is Paul Pierce...which means then we would just need to have 2 Hall of Famers traded to us.

Who else fits that profile, would he be our version of Mark Aguirre from those Pistons teams (not too familiar with teams from that long ago)

You could also ask the question which is the last team to win a chip when their best wing player didn't have the offencive ability to create for others and make his teammates better ie:Wiggins. Not trying to bash Wiggins but to say Parker can't ever become a good defender and Pop wouldn't even be able to find a prominent role for him is like saying Wiggins is going to be Darvin Ham. None of these guys are finished products and they all have weakness's in their game that wont be there in even 2 years. We just don't know what each of them will be able to improve on during that time till they actually do it

As for people trying to use the Spurs as a basis by weather they'd come right in and play even 25-30 minutes a game for that team on weather or not to take a player i'll just say this..... NO rookie...... Not Embiid, Not Parker, Not Wiggins is going to come in and start for that team next year or even be the top guy off the bench.

[Wonka]

Kawhi started 40 games for them in the lockout season during his rookie year. So I respectfully disagree.

[Max Green]

If you don't pass or defend you don't play for Pop, Parker would need to get with the program, could easily see him coming off the bench to start, playing for the best NBA team.

Pop and his coaching staff would actually Coach him up and help him adjust to playing in his system, which Parker would be able to adapt his game to fit just like Kawhi, Danny Green and just about everyone else the Spurs Organization has brought in.

A) Kawhi and Green are perimeter players
B) Both can actually play defense
C) They can actually pass, too
D) Parker's style of game has no place on the Spurs

Edit) Pop isn't going to change his system because of a shooting-happy, passing-starved, tepidly efficient stretch-4.

A) So is Parker
B) Playing for Pop, so would Parker.
C) So can Parker
D) So a guy who was able to score from all over the floor at a high rate off assisted baskets has no place on the Spurs?

I never said Pop would have to change his system, go back and actually read what wrote. Pop and his staff would actually help Parker adjust his game to their system, because you know that's what good Coaches like Pop do. If Parker is tepidly efficient I hate to see what you would call Kawhi's efficiency coming out of College.

[RRyder823]

Kawhi started 40 games for them in the lockout season during his rookie year. So I respectfully disagree.

I'll give you that but then again this is also a Spurs team coming off a dominateing championship performance. That being said I was most trying to make the point that a lot of people seem to think players cant improve any weakness to their game even with the best coach going right now then that just makes zero sense to me and was saying that if they cant then none of the big three in this draft would see significant time on next years spurs. They all have flaws that no matter who you got in this race your going to hopeing like hell they improve on

[MrPerfect1]

You could also ask the question which is the last team to win a chip when their best wing player didn't have the offencive ability to create for others and make his teammates better ie:Wiggins. Not trying to bash Wiggins but to say Parker can't ever become a good defender and Pop wouldn't even be able to find a prominent role for him is like saying Wiggins is going to be Darvin Ham. None of these guys are finished products and they all have weakness's in their game that wont be there in even 2 years. We just don't know what each of them will be able to improve on during that time till they actually do it

1 thing I like about Wiggins is that even if he does not become a Superstar, he can easily still fill a prominent role on a Champ Caliber team. Yes, we hope he becomes the next 5 Time MVP (exaggerating of course), but if not we have seen the Lenard, Prince, Fox types who are perimeter defensive stoppers and still give you 10-15ppg on good efficiency. Trying to find the Melo/Parker comp just seems tougher when looking at Champ teams. Not sure if any have that player as their Best (Garnett was BOS best player). Few, though, even seem to have that type in a secondary role. I don't know many high usage midrange shooters on champ teams (Paul Pierce, Mark Acquire maybe, ....)
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Is the idea that Parker is the Safest to be a #2 Option on a Champ team among all the draft prospects so that is why many like him?

Or do many think that you can Win a Title with a Melo/Parker as your Best Player? I could maybe follow this if people think Parker will be significantly better than Melo and will achieve Dirk caliber Offensive ability.

[cinematographer]

You could also ask the question which is the last team to win a chip when their best wing player didn't have the offencive ability to create for others and make his teammates better ie:Wiggins.

Wiggins was literally almost twice as Parker as good at creating for his teammates during conference play.

Not trying to bash Wiggins but to say Parker can't ever become a good defender and Pop wouldn't even be able to find a prominent role for him is like saying Wiggins is going to be Darvin Ham. None of these guys are finished products and they all have weakness's in their game that wont be there in even 2 years. We just don't know what each of them will be able to improve on during that time till they actually do it

The closest comp on the Spurs for Parker is Diaw. And Diaw is an orders of magnitude better creator. His vision, his passing ability, everything in that component of the game is lightyears beyond Parker, and was true of even Rookie Diaw compared to current Parker.

Manu was the last relatively high ISO guy the Spurs had before they went uptempo PnR. The difference between him and Parker should be self-evident.

If you want to consider Duncan post-ups, again, the difference there should be self-evident. On top of that, Popovich has stated they had take the keys away from Duncan and give them to TP for the team to survive. That ISO/post-up heavy play was just not suitable for today's game.

So, of course he'd find a role for Parker.

As for people trying to use the Spurs as a basis by weather they'd come right in and play even 25-30 minutes a game for that team on weather or not to take a player i'll just say this..... NO rookie...... Not Embiid, Not Parker, Not Wiggins is going to come in and start for that team next year or even be the top guy off the bench.

Embiid and Wiggins might not play 30 minutes a night, but at least they'd have an actually defined role and one that has been shown to be viable. If Duncan isn't there, Embiid plays big minutes right away. If Kawhi isn't there, Wiggins plays big minutes right away -- and Wiggins could even steal some of Diaw's minutes if the Spurs wanted to play small with Kawhi at the 4, taking Diaw's spot, leaving wing minutes for Wiggins.

You could take everyone off the Spurs and there's still no role in the system for an iso-heavy, no-passing, kind-of-but-not-really-efficient Parker who already struggles to get space in college.

[cinematographer]

Pop and his coaching staff would actually Coach him up and help him adjust to playing in his system, which Parker would be able to adapt his game to fit just like Kawhi, Danny Green and just about everyone else the Spurs Organization has brought in.

A) Kawhi and Green are perimeter players
B) Both can actually play defense
C) They can actually pass, too
D) Parker's style of game has no place on the Spurs

Edit) Pop isn't going to change his system because of a shooting-happy, passing-starved, tepidly efficient stretch-4.

A) So is Parker
B) Playing for Pop, so would Parker.
C) So can Parker
D) So a guy who was able to score from all over the floor at a high rate off assisted baskets has no place on the Spurs?

I never said Pop would have to change his system, go back and actually read what wrote. Pop and his staff would actually help Parker adjust his game to their system, because you know that's what good Coaches like Pop do. If Parker is tepidly efficient I hate to see what you would call Kawhi's efficiency coming out of College.

A) Parker is a perimeter player? People are still beating this drum?
B) Parker does not have the prerequisites necessary to be a good NBA defender.
C) Yes, Parker's gargantuan assist-rate with a gaggle of shooters around him certainly speaks wonders to his passing acumen.
D) Thanks for making my point for me. Parker is not a franchise player and will be reliant upon his teammates at the next level to create good looks for him.

And, luckily for Kawhi, he had a much bigger bag of tricks entering the league than the one-trick, possible-lame-pony Parker. Like, for example, defense and passing, things like that.

[LUKE23]

People are really going off the deep end on Jabari, but I do agree he's not really a perimeter player in the pros. He's a 4.

[cinematographer]

I'd be really curious to see what those of you who love Parker thought of Adam Morrison coming into the league. I don't think Parker busts out of the league like Morrison because of the Stretch-4 2.0 Jabari should become, but AM is certainly a cautionary tale for players who already take a lot of contested shots and struggle to create space at the collegiate level.

[Baddy Chuck]

As someone who defends Wiggins from some ridiculous claims, a lot of these claims about Parker are pretty ridiculous.

[JayMKE]

I'd be really curious to see what those of you who love Parker thought of Adam Morrison coming into the league. I don't think Parker busts out of the league like Morrison because of the Stretch-4 2.0 Jabari should become, but AM is certainly a cautionary tale for players who already take a lot of contested shots and struggle to create space at the collegiate level.

Morrison was probably my favorite college player of all time but you can't compare him and Jabari just for the simple fact Morrison did not have an NBA body and he blew his knee out to boot. Not to mention, Adam is diabetic as well. Being an athlete just wasn't in the cards for him and what he did accomplish was pretty amazing.

[cinematographer]

What sucks about Porzingis dropping out of the draft is it pushes everyone from 21+ up a spot.

[cinematographer]

I'd be really curious to see what those of you who love Parker thought of Adam Morrison coming into the league. I don't think Parker busts out of the league like Morrison because of the Stretch-4 2.0 Jabari should become, but AM is certainly a cautionary tale for players who already take a lot of contested shots and struggle to create space at the collegiate level.

Morrison was probably my favorite college player of all time but you can't compare him and Jabari just for the simple fact Morrison did not have an NBA body and he blew his knee out to boot. Not to mention, Adam is diabetic as well. Being an athlete just wasn't in the cards for him and what he did accomplish was pretty amazing.

I think Parker is 10x better equipped to be an NBA player than AM, I agree. But Parker sharing some of Morrison's inability to create space troubles me.

[JayMKE]

I'd be really curious to see what those of you who love Parker thought of Adam Morrison coming into the league. I don't think Parker busts out of the league like Morrison because of the Stretch-4 2.0 Jabari should become, but AM is certainly a cautionary tale for players who already take a lot of contested shots and struggle to create space at the collegiate level.

Morrison was probably my favorite college player of all time but you can't compare him and Jabari just for the simple fact Morrison did not have an NBA body and he blew his knee out to boot. Not to mention, Adam is diabetic as well. Being an athlete just wasn't in the cards for him and what he did accomplish was pretty amazing.

I think Parker is 10x better equipped to be an NBA player than AM, I agree. But Parker sharing some of Morrison's inability to create space troubles me.

I don't see that as an issue with Parker