German National Football Team Thread (Nationalmannschaft)

[bbms]

Arbeloa and alba...grosso and who was it zanetti? Lizarazu and sagnol. Cafu and Roberto Carlos are actually the only really strong FB pairing that have won the WC since the 3-5-2 and the wingbacks it catered to died.

Lol, Zanetti is Argentinian.

2010 - Sergio Ramos and Capdevilla. Both played great defense.
2006 - Zambrotta and Grosso. Zambrotta was great for Juve in 05/06 and got a Barcelona transfer after the WC Grosso was huge in the WC too.
2002 - Cafu and Roberto Carlos.
1998 - France D-Line was Thuram, Blanc, Desailly and Lizarazu, was called the Iron Defense. Rest your case.
1994 - Arguably the best group of FBs were available in that final game. Tasotti, Maldini, Benarrivo, Jorginho, Branco, Leonardo, Cafu. All available.
1990 - Reuter and Brehme.

Germany 90, Brazil 2002 and Italy 2006 didn't play a traditional set of FB, they played 3-men defensive lines, although, Brazil and Italy could be labeled as 5-3-2 teams.

There's absolutely 0 chance of a team winning the World Cup having a slow CB duo and Jung + Durm on the fullbacks, needing to go on against Di Maria, Ronaldo, Messi, Lavezzi, Neymar, Robben, Hazard, Griezmann, Ayew, and the list goes on.

But you have to agree - Lahm is very overrated on the defensive side of the ball.

[DD12]

Ramos was dope in 2010. Capdevilla was great defensively.

Zambrotta was the best right back at that point. Grosso was insane in that tournament. We all remember what he did to Germany lol

Cafu and Carlos. No need to talk.

Thuram and Lizarazu no need to talk.






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[bbms]

Ramos was dope in 2010. Capdevilla was great defensively.

Zambrotta was the best right back at that point. Grosso was insane in that tournament. We all remember what he did to Germany lol

Cafu and Carlos. No need to talk.

Thuram and Lizarazu no need to talk.






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Seems like you do, dude don't even remember Ramos and Capdevilla, would he remember Lizarazu? Shocked he remembers Cafu and Roberto Carlos, he probably didn't see them in their primes in 2002.

FB play has been equally important as any position in the WC and is even more important now that the world is watered down in FB quality.

[DD12]

Lizarazu was a hack of a left back though. Dude was insane.

I also agree how FB is important. It literally determines how far you can go in this tourney. Once you have a great LB and RB, you are half way there.


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[cgf]

Did you guys notice last night that Chile play exactly the way some of you want Germany to play?

Three midfielders & Valdivia a cross between a no. 10 and a false 9 & Alexis and Vargas as wing forwards who run in central very often

Bielsa may no longer manage that side but the Chileans continue to be very interesting tactically. Actually, I want them to win now cause then Jogi might try to learn from them.

To be fair, we do need Lahm in midfield. Grosskreutz, Jantschke, Jung and Durm would be more than enough at fullback with a capable coach, letting us have a strong midfield with Lahm, Sami and when of the bayern guys, Kroos/Schweini. With a good pressing scheme and the boa-hummels pairing in defense that team could win...if not for jogi.

I'm not a fan of Lahm at midfield at all.
Lahm's a world class RB or LB, but nothing more then an above average player at midfield.
He's got no physical presence and isn't ever a threat to score or even shoot at goal.
All he does is try to keep position(important) and make the easy/safety pass while being dominated/or run over by more physical guys.

BTW: Watching that Spain vs Netherlands game yesterday it once again showed that Pep's system has quite some flaws and can be beaten, if you have the right guys.
Too bad we're probably the only team on this planet that would try to play a position game with the spaniards because Jogi's stubborn enough to not adept a more defensive approach.

Let's hope that game wasn't a foreshadowing of our game against Portugal, who'll play just like the Netherlands did against Spain.

There's not much I agree with pep on but I disagree with you big time on Lahm. Biscuits is the only lone holder in the world on his level, with Matic and Witsel in the next tier. That's the position with the least depth in world football and he's world class at it, the mobility, defensive positioning and great ball skills make him great even if he is small.

Not even getting into how much more important a 6 is in today's game than fullbacks are.

[cgf]

Arbeloa and alba...grosso and who was it zanetti? Lizarazu and sagnol. Cafu and Roberto Carlos are actually the only really strong FB pairing that have won the WC since the 3-5-2 and the wingbacks it catered to died.

Lol, Zanetti is Argentinian.

2010 - Sergio Ramos and Capdevilla. Both played great defense.
2006 - Zambrotta and Grosso. Zambrotta was great for Juve in 05/06 and got a Barcelona transfer after the WC Grosso was huge in the WC too.
2002 - Cafu and Roberto Carlos.
1998 - France D-Line was Thuram, Blanc, Desailly and Lizarazu, was called the Iron Defense. Rest your case.
1994 - Arguably the best group of FBs were available in that final game. Tasotti, Maldini, Benarrivo, Jorginho, Branco, Leonardo, Cafu. All available.
1990 - Reuter and Brehme.

Germany 90, Brazil 2002 and Italy 2006 didn't play a traditional set of FB, they played 3-men defensive lines, although, Brazil and Italy could be labeled as 5-3-2 teams.

There's absolutely 0 chance of a team winning the World Cup having a slow CB duo and Jung + Durm on the fullbacks, needing to go on against Di Maria, Ronaldo, Messi, Lavezzi, Neymar, Robben, Hazard, Griezmann, Ayew, and the list goes on.

But you have to agree - Lahm is very overrated on the defensive side of the ball.

Zambrotta, that's it. Couldn't remember the name but am on my phone so didn't care enough to look it up. And grosso may have played a strong tourney but that was the only time in his life he's been a standout. Outside of that tourney there's little reason to try and pretend that GK hasn't been every bit as capable, much less tony Jantschke who's actually played at that level for his club. Capdevilla and Ramos aren't that much better either, jantschke's a better defender than Ramos is at fullback and cause villa like grosso played over his head because FBs aren't that important anymore.

Dunno if you guys are under-rating Jantschke as badly as Jogi does, if you guys are focusing too much on the olden days tactically, or if you're just overrating the guys who played the tourney's of their careers, but at the least important position we're fine, it's not a strength but with a good coach who managed to not turn the cbs and mid into a liability as well it would be more than good enough if we played the right guys.

[Point forward]

Our press is trying to pump up our 4 CB backline. We will be stronger in the air, but more vulnerable against dribblers. I don't care as long we keep a clean sheet.

[Foye]

Our press is trying to pump up our 4 CB backline. We will be stronger in the air, but more vulnerable against dribblers. I don't care as long we keep a clean sheet.

No way we keep a clean sheet with Boateng as RB and especially Höwedes as LB.

[bbms]

Germany played good defense, specially on Ronaldo, mainly because of Boateng's bodytype that matches Ronaldo well but I don't think this midfield is solid enough with Lahm and Kroos being ther deeper mids. A team like France should abuse them with Pogba and Matuidi's runs forward.

[Andi Obst]

Germany played good defense, specially on Ronaldo, mainly because of Boateng's bodytype that matches Ronaldo well but I don't think this midfield is solid enough with Lahm and Kroos being ther deeper mids. A team like France should abuse them with Pogba and Matuidi's runs forward.

I don't necessarily think they played good defense. In the first half, our defense scared the s*** out of me sometimes and Portugal could've scored one or two. But yeah, it got better as the game went on.

[MaliBrah]

muller , ozil and gotze have some good chemistry , we're combining well all match especially ozil and gotze. Hopefully hummells is fine.

[kdawg32086]

muller , ozil and gotze have some good chemistry , we're combining well all match especially ozil and gotze. Hopefully hummells is fine.

Shhhhh, gotta keep that on the dl. The last thing we want is Bayern coming after Ozil.

[bbms]

Germany played good defense, specially on Ronaldo, mainly because of Boateng's bodytype that matches Ronaldo well but I don't think this midfield is solid enough with Lahm and Kroos being ther deeper mids. A team like France should abuse them with Pogba and Matuidi's runs forward.

I don't necessarily think they played good defense. In the first half, our defense scared the s*** out of me sometimes and Portugal could've scored one or two. But yeah, it got better as the game went on.

I think they played ok, specially the defensive line. The main problem is that when Portugal made fast transitions the defensive line wasn't fast enough to clear and the midfield wasn't combative enough to keep them away from the final third. If Portugal was able to pass the ball Germany would have troubles.

Another team that should cause Germany some problems is Belgium. They played a ton of Defour/Fellaini+Dembelé as double pivot and Witsel on free role on the midfield early in the preliminary stages (De Bruyne played some good wing roles in the games I watched), so I think this kind of physicallity with a Fellaini, Dembele and Witsel should be able to dominate Germany's midfield, specially knowing that they have a creative cast of wingers, plus an athletic freak to start at 9.

[bbms]

muller , ozil and gotze have some good chemistry , we're combining well all match especially ozil and gotze. Hopefully hummells is fine.

Shhhhh, gotta keep that on the dl. The last thing we want is Bayern coming after Ozil.

Thiago, Mandzukic and Rafinha for Ozil, how about that?

[kdawg32086]

muller , ozil and gotze have some good chemistry , we're combining well all match especially ozil and gotze. Hopefully hummells is fine.

Shhhhh, gotta keep that on the dl. The last thing we want is Bayern coming after Ozil.

Thiago, Mandzukic and Rafinha for Ozil, how about that?

Make that Mandzukic, Martinez, and Shaqiri.

[bbms]

Shhhhh, gotta keep that on the dl. The last thing we want is Bayern coming after Ozil.

Thiago, Mandzukic and Rafinha for Ozil, how about that?

Make that Mandzukic, Martinez, and Shaqiri.

They have so many great players that makes tough to even pick.

Pay that 100 mil budget plus Ozil and take all 6, instead. Then you're set for a UCL semi-final again to say the least lol.

[alex85]

Lol Bayern doesn't need Özil. Especially not for that price..

[ATL Boy]

strong start today. Germany sent a message with that dominating performance

[Maex]

muller , ozil and gotze have some good chemistry , we're combining well all match especially ozil and gotze. Hopefully hummells is fine.

Shhhhh, gotta keep that on the dl. The last thing we want is Bayern coming after Ozil.

Thiago, Mandzukic and Rafinha for Ozil, how about that?

Why would Bayern do that?

[Foye]

So what does Max Kruse do these days? He reached the final table of a world series of poker event in Las Vegas lol.