McJesus - The Josh McRoberts Thread

[MasterIchiro]

I would be fine with Anderson splitting time with Cody 20-20. Let the cream rise to the top from there. Anderson can do what McRoberts does at a fraction of the cost.

In limited minutes Cody averaged 15/9 per 36 after the all-star game so as long as you keep him around 20 he should be able to sustain that production.

I honestly think McRoberts is a waste of resources considering Cody's progress plus the need to draft and/or sign a 2nd ball handler like Stauskas and/or Lance Stephenson. Having Kyle Anderson on the team definitely tips it. If you consider McRoberts might earn 5 million, what can that 5 million get you at the backup PG spot?

I like Anderson, but you folks must not have watched him in college. He is not going to be able to guard NBA bigs any time soon. Even if his super slow shot translates, he is not going to be able to play NBA caliber defense in the post. If you think Zeller was raw, you don't want to watch Anderson try to play PF in the NBA. Very slow lateral quickness (which means slow close outs and poor PNR defense), gives up size advantage on the boards and no athleticism to make up for it. If we draft him, I think going into the season assuming he's going to play as meaningful a role as Cody is unwise.

Maybe so. If that's how it looks, I'm comfortable with Cody playing starter minutes but then again I like him more than most on here.

[mrknowitall215]

I am 'far' from comfortable with Cody Zeller playing starter minutes. If Charlotte doesn't draft a PF at #9, then they must make re-signing Josh McRoberts a priority, even if they fortunately land Kyle Anderson at #24. I think if they draft Anderson at #24, he may take Zeller's 2nd string PF spot from him by midseason, and eventually a trade will occur. Also likely, Clifford would rather run Anderson at SF to take minutes away from MKG before Zeller

[BeesWax]

I would be fine with Anderson splitting time with Cody 20-20. Let the cream rise to the top from there. Anderson can do what McRoberts does at a fraction of the cost.

In limited minutes Cody averaged 15/9 per 36 after the all-star game so as long as you keep him around 20 he should be able to sustain that production.

I honestly think McRoberts is a waste of resources considering Cody's progress plus the need to draft and/or sign a 2nd ball handler like Stauskas and/or Lance Stephenson. Having Kyle Anderson on the team definitely tips it. If you consider McRoberts might earn 5 million, what can that 5 million get you at the backup PG spot?

I like Anderson, but you folks must not have watched him in college. He is not going to be able to guard NBA bigs any time soon. Even if his super slow shot translates, he is not going to be able to play NBA caliber defense in the post. If you think Zeller was raw, you don't want to watch Anderson try to play PF in the NBA. Very slow lateral quickness (which means slow close outs and poor PNR defense), gives up size advantage on the boards and no athleticism to make up for it. If we draft him, I think going into the season assuming he's going to play as meaningful a role as Cody is unwise.

Maybe so. If that's how it looks, I'm comfortable with Cody playing starter minutes but then again I like him more than most on here.

If we are starting Zeller I think we have given up on the season a bit. If they are wanting to build on this year and promote the new Hornets brand we can take steps backwards out of our starters. If we planned on starting Zeller and did not add a big name FA, which there are not many right now, then we would likely miss the playoffs next season.


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[mrknowitall215]

I would be fine with Anderson splitting time with Cody 20-20. Let the cream rise to the top from there. Anderson can do what McRoberts does at a fraction of the cost.

In limited minutes Cody averaged 15/9 per 36 after the all-star game so as long as you keep him around 20 he should be able to sustain that production.

I honestly think McRoberts is a waste of resources considering Cody's progress plus the need to draft and/or sign a 2nd ball handler like Stauskas and/or Lance Stephenson. Having Kyle Anderson on the team definitely tips it. If you consider McRoberts might earn 5 million, what can that 5 million get you at the backup PG spot?

I like Anderson, but you folks must not have watched him in college. He is not going to be able to guard NBA bigs any time soon. Even if his super slow shot translates, he is not going to be able to play NBA caliber defense in the post. If you think Zeller was raw, you don't want to watch Anderson try to play PF in the NBA. Very slow lateral quickness (which means slow close outs and poor PNR defense), gives up size advantage on the boards and no athleticism to make up for it. If we draft him, I think going into the season assuming he's going to play as meaningful a role as Cody is unwise.

Anderson has all the skill sets Cho wish Zeller had, minus the athleticism. Many consider Anderson a SF, but I think he'd adapt as a PF just fine with his length, and it's not as if Anderson is soft on the defensive end or rebounding like you're trying to make him out to be. Anderson's offensive game is finesse, but he can rebound in the trenches very well

[yosemiteben]

I think we're much more likely to see Anderson at SF - I agree with that. Not sure he'd be taking minutes from MKG, but I think we could see FA PG / Hendo or Neal / Anderson / Zeller / Biz as our second line.

****, I don't know, then how does CDR fit into things?

Maybe we can get away with playing Kyle at point and run with Anderson, CDR, Zeller, Biz and either Hendo or Neal?

[BeesWax]

I am 'far' from comfortable with Cody Zeller playing starter minutes. If Charlotte doesn't draft a PF at #9, then they must make re-signing Josh McRoberts a priority, even if they fortunately land Kyle Anderson at #24. I think if they draft Anderson at #24, he may take Zeller's 2nd string PF spot from him by midseason, and eventually a trade will occur. Also likely, Clifford would rather run Anderson at SF to take minutes away from MKG before Zeller

If you let Anderson and Zeller defend your forwards Biz better be in the game. He would get a lot more chances I defend he rim with those two out there. Anderson would likely steal Zellers minutes because it would lot change our offense much fr McRoberts to Anderson.


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[mrknowitall215]

I am 'far' from comfortable with Cody Zeller playing starter minutes. If Charlotte doesn't draft a PF at #9, then they must make re-signing Josh McRoberts a priority, even if they fortunately land Kyle Anderson at #24. I think if they draft Anderson at #24, he may take Zeller's 2nd string PF spot from him by midseason, and eventually a trade will occur. Also likely, Clifford would rather run Anderson at SF to take minutes away from MKG before Zeller

If you let Anderson and Zeller defend your forwards Biz better be in the game. He would get a lot more chances I defend he rim with those two out there. Anderson would likely steal Zellers minutes because it would lot change our offense much fr McRoberts to Anderson.


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It's not as if McRoberts can really deal with most power forwards down low in the paint. Anderson will be able to translate and hold his own at PF, but I wouldn't trust him as a rookie to start right away, at least not at the onset

[MasterIchiro]

As much as we argue over Zeller, I really can't wait to see him next year and he will still be here imo and we will see him get more minutes imo. I just think his athleticism is going to translate and he's such a hard worker and so competitive. I can just see it in his energy and demeanor. He's a fierce competitor. I like him more than I could have fathomed early on. He made me so angry in the beginning of the season. I think he'll dominate summer league after his indoctrination/schooling in the NBA last year. He learned so much and changed so much. I suspect Clifford loves the kid.

[mrknowitall215]

I think we're much more likely to see Anderson at SF - I agree with that. Not sure he'd be taking minutes from MKG, but I think we could see FA PG / Hendo or Neal / Anderson / Zeller / Biz as our second line.

****, I don't know, then how does CDR fit into things?

Maybe we can get away with playing Kyle at point and run with Anderson, CDR, Zeller, Biz and either Hendo or Neal?

If you leave it up to Clifford, Anderson would steal minutes from MKG. I wouldn't recommend it, but that's how Clifford roll. Tolliver is moreso a PF, but instead of stealing minutes from Zeller he stole minutes from MKG at SF the majority of last season

[mrknowitall215]

Re: Zeller; I suspect Clifford loves the kid.

You suspect correct

[MasterIchiro]

Well I'm thankful Clifford recognizes MKG's limitations. MKG should have to earn his way in by learning to shoot the basketball. An NBA starter should be able to nail a wide open jumper. Every bench scrub on the Heat can do that.

[yosemiteben]

Many consider Anderson a SF, but I think he'd adapt as a PF just fine with his length, and it's not as if Anderson is soft on the defensive end or rebounding like you're trying to make him out to be. Anderson's offensive game is finesse, but he can rebound in the trenches very well

Disagree with your comment about his defense. He was not a good defender at UCLA. I think his rebounding numbers were inflated because of his size and the fact that he was being guarded by guards that were at least a couple inches shorter and couldn't match his length.

He is only 6'8". His length is helpful, but he can't bang and is so limited by his athleticism that it undermines his length.

I see him as an interesting experiment that I want to try, but I do not see him as a long term solution at PF.

[mrknowitall215]

Many consider Anderson a SF, but I think he'd adapt as a PF just fine with his length, and it's not as if Anderson is soft on the defensive end or rebounding like you're trying to make him out to be. Anderson's offensive game is finesse, but he can rebound in the trenches very well

Disagree with your comment about his defense. He was not a good defender at UCLA. I think his rebounding numbers were inflated because of his size and the fact that he was being guarded by guards that were at least a couple inches shorter and couldn't match his length.

He is only 6'8". His length is helpful, but he can't bang and is so limited by his athleticism that it undermines his length.

I see him as an interesting experiment that I want to try, but I do not see him as a long term solution at PF.

I tell you one thing, Anderson will have a better chance as a defender defending power forwards on the block than he will trying to defend small forwards on the perimeter. I firmly believe that position should be defined by what position a player can best defend, and that's why I see Anderson as a PF

[BadMofoPimp]

You all are better off keeping McBob instead of having (2) tweeners (Cody and Kyle) sitting on the bench.

[mrknowitall215]

You all are better off keeping McBob instead of having (2) tweeners (Cody and Kyle) sitting on the bench.

I'm sure Charlotte will keep McRoberts. I think the discussion is whether or not they should draft another PF to compete for minutes, and maybe eventually succeed McRoberts sooner than later. McRoberts is a serviceable player, but not necessarily consensus starting material, moreso fringe starter on a team where his role is expanded due to lack of overall talent on the roster. McRoberts wouldn't start for over half the teams in the league

[BadMofoPimp]

You all are better off keeping McBob instead of having (2) tweeners (Cody and Kyle) sitting on the bench.

I'm sure Charlotte will keep McRoberts. I think the discussion is whether or not they should draft another PF to compete for minutes, and maybe eventually succeed McRoberts sooner than later. McRoberts is a serviceable player, but not necessarily consensus starting material, moreso fringe starter on a team where his role is expanded due to lack of overall talent on the roster. McRoberts wouldn't start for over half the teams in the league

Nice. I would seriously doubt Charlotte jeopardizes Zellers development by adding a 3rd player to contend at PF. Just doesn't make sense.

[mrknowitall215]

You all are better off keeping McBob instead of having (2) tweeners (Cody and Kyle) sitting on the bench.

I'm sure Charlotte will keep McRoberts. I think the discussion is whether or not they should draft another PF to compete for minutes, and maybe eventually succeed McRoberts sooner than later. McRoberts is a serviceable player, but not necessarily consensus starting material, moreso fringe starter on a team where his role is expanded due to lack of overall talent on the roster. McRoberts wouldn't start for over half the teams in the league

Nice. I would seriously doubt Charlotte jeopardizes Zellers development by adding a 3rd player to contend at PF. Just doesn't make sense.

They should. I wouldn't put too much credence in Zeller being consistently serviceable as a backup after being so disappointing the bulk of last season and his playoff performance --- on top of re-tooling his basketball acument into a 'stretch 4' --- therefore I would add some quality or potential depth at PF in case of lackluster production or injury

[BadMofoPimp]

Nice. I would seriously doubt Charlotte jeopardizes Zellers development by adding a 3rd player to contend at PF. Just doesn't make sense.

They should. I wouldn't put too much credence in Zeller being consistently serviceable as a backup after being so disappointing the bulk of last season and his playoff performance --- on top of re-tooling his basketball acument into a 'stretch 4' --- therefore I would add some quality or potential depth at PF in case of lackluster production or injury

Then, I am quite certain they will sign some D-Leager for depth behind McBob and Zeller while they use that pick for someone they can most assuredly use. Unless, they intend to use Zeller as backup Center.

[mrknowitall215]

Nice. I would seriously doubt Charlotte jeopardizes Zellers development by adding a 3rd player to contend at PF. Just doesn't make sense.

They should. I wouldn't put too much credence in Zeller being consistently serviceable as a backup after being so disappointing the bulk of last season and his playoff performance --- on top of re-tooling his basketball acument into a 'stretch 4' --- therefore I would add some quality or potential depth at PF in case of lackluster production or injury

Then, I am quite certain they will sign some D-Leager for depth behind McBob and Zeller while they use that pick for someone they can most assuredly use. Unless, they intend to use Zeller as backup Center.

I honestly think they'll use #24 on a SF based on the way they've been scheduling their workouts even though my personal favorite in that range is PF Jarnell Stokes. I seriously doubt that Kyle Anderson last to #24, but it's possible. They must not be very confident in Jeff Taylor's return from a torn achilles and/or they might not be considering re-signing CDR

It's slightly suspected that they may try to bring Jeff Adrien back. That would be a solid re-acquisition for the PF/C position

[Snidely FC]

As fans, we want stars who are stat stuffers, but McRoberts brings everything a Coach cherishes: reliability, consistency, team over individual, unflagging effort, and high BBIQ. Coaches play players they can rely on.

Go to a CHA game in person. Josh McRoberts is the guy who is tapping chests before the game to make sure everyone is upbeat and ready. During the game he is the one who is telling teammates where to be on the defensive end. He is the one who doesn't give up, even when the Heat and the refs are lubing rear ends. This guy may not have a C on his chest, but he is this team's defacto captain.

McBob is a ballplayer. He took out Lebron not once but twice in the CHA/MIA series. Don't be surprised to see teams that want to win - even MIA - come after Josh to try to sign him. CHA should be aggressive in resigning him.