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Re: Noah Vonleh may be our man!! 

Post#201 » by Melvinlocker » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:11 am

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thelead wrote:Are you willing to waste a top 4 pick on that gamble though? With Oladipo, you at least SAW the improvement.

Is there a draft pick that isnt a gamble? you never select someone for his current ability but for what you think he can become and with Vonleh you know he has the right attitude that will make him likely to realize his potential.



Wait, if someone is already really good at 19 or 20 years old, that doesn't mean they won't get better. They just may be halfway there already on the way to stardom.

Anyone who states that Parker, Randle, Smart etc won't get any better because they are already NBA ready isn't being realistic. Many players can get much better even though they are already really good.



That is a great point! I can't believe we actually agree on something haha!

There is definitely a stigma that polished players cannot not improve leaps and bounds in there games because they have supposedly "reached their potential". I have never thought this was the case as showing a polished and versatile skill set can indicate that you made something of the potential you already had and you were willing to work and improve upon it.
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Post#202 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:21 am

I think Vonleh compares with Derrick Favors. So he basically translates into a 15 pts 11 rebs 2 blks 1 stl per 36 minute type guy. Vonleh could possibly exceed those a little because I think he could become a better rebounder than Favors.
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Re: Noah Vonleh Thread [Merged] 

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Post#204 » by flying_mollusk » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:22 am

Jesus, look at the size of that ass. You couldnt get around it in the post!
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Post#205 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:30 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:for the love of god, if we wanted to pick vonleh we shoulda just kept big baby for **** sakes....
What?! They arent even remotely close in terms of......anything. vonleh is taller, longer, can hit the three and take people off the dribble.....wtf?!

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Post#206 » by Orlwillbeback » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:39 pm

Everything about vonleh screams marvin williams to me.
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Post#207 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:53 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:Everything about vonleh screams marvin williams to me.


He's almost indentical to Favors when he got drafted as far as age, length, and height.
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Post#208 » by flying_mollusk » Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:53 pm

I have been flip flopping and flipping some more when it comes to Noah. Some days I love him. Some days I don't. Interesting analysis on him:

Noah Vonleh

Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 247 pounds
Wingspan: 7-foot-4.25

I'm less bullish on Vonleh than most people, but mostly because I'm always terrified of guys who make serious climbs during the pre-Draft process. Vonleh is a gifted athlete and rebounder with a massive wingspan; he's also a pretty good shooter. Of course he looks good in workouts!

But what are physical gifts if you don't know how to use them? I think what most concerns me is that he shot just 59.3 percent at the rim. That percentage is horrible for a guy with his size and his athleticism. Embiid is considered raw, too, and he shot 76.3 percent there. Aaron Gordon, with five fewer inches on his wingspan, shot 73 percent at the cup. 59.3 percent is worse than Aaron Craft!

I love the idea of Vonleh: Big, long, athletic, and with good range on his shot. But it's going to take a good deal of coaching to tap out his potential. There is a very long list of guys who looked the part, were drafted in the lottery, and never became what they were supposed to be. I hope that fate doesn't befall Vonleh.

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Vonleh has all the physical tools to play power forward in the NBA. He's long, athletic and coordinated. He also fits nicely with the NBA's movement toward floor-spacing bigs. Vonleh shot 48.5 percent from behind the arc and 71.6 percent from the line. He did, however, only shoot 33 three-pointers on the year and that small sample size worked to his favor.

But he needs a ton of work on both ends of floor. He's wildly inconsistent on defense, he needs to learn how to finish around the rim and he has to cut the turnovers. The potential is there because all of the tools are there; it'll just take years to mold him into that.

Potential fit in Orlando: Again, the idea of Vonleh is great. He's long-armed and has the tools to become a good defender and shot blocker, but it's going to take time. If he becomes a floor-stretching four man who can also protect the rim, then he'd be perfect next to Vucevic.

The same general lineup principles that worked for Randle would work for Vonleh. Tobias Harris would work as the sixth man alongside O'Quinn and either Maurice Harkless or Arron Afflalo would fill the small forward position. Or Harris could start at small forward.

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The field goal percentage around the rim indicates to me that he has a low bball IQ and has a tough time finishing close. He just bullies his way to scoring.
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Post#209 » by Melvinlocker » Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:53 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:I have been flip flopping and flipping some more when it comes to Noah. Some days I love him. Some days I don't. Interesting analysis on him:

Noah Vonleh

Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 247 pounds
Wingspan: 7-foot-4.25

I'm less bullish on Vonleh than most people, but mostly because I'm always terrified of guys who make serious climbs during the pre-Draft process. Vonleh is a gifted athlete and rebounder with a massive wingspan; he's also a pretty good shooter. Of course he looks good in workouts!

But what are physical gifts if you don't know how to use them? I think what most concerns me is that he shot just 59.3 percent at the rim. That percentage is horrible for a guy with his size and his athleticism. Embiid is considered raw, too, and he shot 76.3 percent there. Aaron Gordon, with five fewer inches on his wingspan, shot 73 percent at the cup. 59.3 percent is worse than Aaron Craft!

I love the idea of Vonleh: Big, long, athletic, and with good range on his shot. But it's going to take a good deal of coaching to tap out his potential. There is a very long list of guys who looked the part, were drafted in the lottery, and never became what they were supposed to be. I hope that fate doesn't befall Vonleh.

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Vonleh has all the physical tools to play power forward in the NBA. He's long, athletic and coordinated. He also fits nicely with the NBA's movement toward floor-spacing bigs. Vonleh shot 48.5 percent from behind the arc and 71.6 percent from the line. He did, however, only shoot 33 three-pointers on the year and that small sample size worked to his favor.

But he needs a ton of work on both ends of floor. He's wildly inconsistent on defense, he needs to learn how to finish around the rim and he has to cut the turnovers. The potential is there because all of the tools are there; it'll just take years to mold him into that.

Potential fit in Orlando: Again, the idea of Vonleh is great. He's long-armed and has the tools to become a good defender and shot blocker, but it's going to take time. If he becomes a floor-stretching four man who can also protect the rim, then he'd be perfect next to Vucevic.

The same general lineup principles that worked for Randle would work for Vonleh. Tobias Harris would work as the sixth man alongside O'Quinn and either Maurice Harkless or Arron Afflalo would fill the small forward position. Or Harris could start at small forward.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... ando-magic


The feel goal percentage around the rim indicates to me that he has a low bball IQ and has a tough time finishing close. He just bullies his way to scoring.



That's the main reason I don't like the Bosh comp. because he doesn't finish as well as Bosh did in college. I think Vonleh will be more of a David West type if anything.
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Post#210 » by Orlwillbeback » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:01 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Orlwillbeback wrote:Everything about vonleh screams marvin williams to me.


He's almost indentical to Favors when he got drafted as far as age, length, and height.

And comparisons to favors are supposed to get me excited about him?
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Post#211 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:30 pm

Alex’s Notebook:
For the first time, I have the Orlando Magic picking someone other than Dante Exum at No. 4.
While Exum and Marcus Smart are obviously still possibilities for Orlando at No. 4, I’m starting to wonder if the Magic will go with Noah Vonleh with their first pick and then try to land their point guard of the future at No. 12.

Vonleh recently had a great workout with the Magic and it seems like he could be a serious possibility with the fourth overall pick. The 18-year-old is attractive because of his incredible upside, and he has an interesting skill set for a big man. At the combine, he measured in at 6’9.5 with a 7’4.25 wingspan and 9’0 standing reach. His max vertical was 37 inches and he had the second-largest hands of any player in NBA combine history. He’s a stretch four who has range out to NBA three and he could play alongside Nikola Vucevic, giving Orlando a very scary frontcourt for years to come.

The other reason I think the Magic may be willing to pass on Exum at No. 4 is that they really like Elfrid Payton, who I wrote about in last week’s notebook. He has been climbing draft boards lately and dominating workouts, and the Magic are said to be really high on him. Orlando worked out Payton recently and may have him in for a second workout before the draft. A backcourt of Payton and Victor Oladipo would be downright unstoppable on the defensive end.

It’s hard to get a read on the Magic, but they may feel that Vonleh and Payton is better than going with Exum and the best player available at No. 12 (such as, say, James Young or Jusuf Nurkic).
Vonleh and Payton would be very interesting for Orlando, and they would be able to fill two positions of need and land two players who have really impressed them during the pre-draft process.


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Post#212 » by Def Swami » Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:13 am

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When Noah Vonleh was 14 years old, his family traveled from Haverhill, Mass., to Orlando for a vacation. Many teenagers would've relished the chance to visit theme parks, but Vonleh first made a polite, but firm, request to his mom. He asked her to find a gym where he could hone his basketball skills.

"His discipline is incredible," says Vin Pastore, who coached Vonleh in AAU ball from the age of 12 until Vonleh started college at Indiana University.

"Noah had a ritual, and the ritual was that he got to the gym every day and he did certain things. Noah didn't believe in days off. It was ingrained in him that if he was going to reach his dream there were no times for days off."

That dream is within sight now — and it could involve returning to Central Florida.


The Orlando Magic will seriously consider using the fourth overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft to select Vonleh, a 6-foot-9½ power forward who rebounds well and can stretch the floor with his outside shot. Even though Vonleh is one of the youngest players in this draft class — he won't turn 19 until late August — the coaches who know him best describe him as a relentless worker.

"His passion and dream has been to be an NBA player, and he's one of those people that doesn't just think about it, hope for it, talk about it," Indiana coach Tom Crean says. "I really can't remember one day, literally one day, that he did not come back to the gym, whether it was after practice or whether it was on an off-day."

The more people describe Vonleh, the more his personality and background remind you of Victor Oladipo, the player Orlando selected second overall last June.

The similarities extend beyond their work ethic and their time at Indiana. Although both players grew up in the U.S., their parents emigrated from Africa, and both of their mothers work as nurses. Oladipo even co-hosted Vonleh when Vonleh took a recruiting trip to Indiana.

Vonleh and Oladipo play much different positions, however.

Vonleh possesses a wingspan of 7 feet, 4½ inches and one of the widest hands ever measured at the combine, 11¾ inches. His height and long arms should help him rebound and block shots in the NBA.

"Rebounding is natural for me," Vonleh says. "I handle the ball pretty well for a guy my size. I'm pretty good in the post also. I think that'll translate to the next level, and I'll add some different things to my game as I get there.

"I think a lot of teams see me as a stretch 4. But I want to one day be able to play the 3 in the league, so I'm going to just keep working on my skills and different things to help me get to that point."

Orlando might be compelled to select Vonleh at No. 4 and use its second first-round pick, 12th overall, to select a point guard, because the latter stage of the lottery is thought to have more depth at point guard than at the big-man spots.

Vonleh averaged 11.3 points, 9.0 rebounds and 1.4 blocks per game during his lone season at Indiana. As you'd expect with a young player, he gained momentum as the season progressed. Eventually, Crean felt comfortable having Vonleh switch defensively onto guards in pick-and-rolls and on screens.

"That'll certainly be challenged by the quickness and speed at the NBA level, but I think that's something that he's really gaining an ability to do," Crean says.

"The next big step for him will be making others better with the pass, especially off the dribble, and the quick ball movement that goes into it that stands out so much in the NBA when you do it right. Those are areas I think that he'll take the next step in."

Crean's confidence in Vonleh stems, in part, from Vonleh's work ethic.

Vonleh's drive hasn't diminished since he was 14 years old.

Pastore, Vonleh's former AAU coach, recalls how Vonleh would respond to rare bad games as a high-school freshman playing on the varsity.

Vonleh would call Pastore and say, "We need to get back in the gym."

Vonleh always wanted to return to the gym that night, not the next day.

They'd go to the Rockingham Athletic Club in Plaistow, N.H., and work.

"He has a work ethic that is second to nobody," Pastore says. "Since he was a little boy, Noah couldn't get enough of the gym. What's nice about Noah is that [work ethic] has not changed with time."
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Post#214 » by MagicFan32 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:35 am

picking vonleh wouldn't be bad....but by most accounts he wont be able to help much this year...
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Post#215 » by JF5 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:56 am

MagicFan32 wrote:picking vonleh wouldn't be bad....but by most accounts he wont be able to help much this year...


He's not a bad pick up. its just to me, if you're expecting him to be some sort of Star then you'll be REALLY disappointed.

I think at most he'll be a poorman's Ibaka/West... Has the skills to be a star, but most likely will be a good role player. Which wouldn't be a bad thing considering he'd be around other guys like Vucevic/Harris/Oladipo.
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Post#216 » by DiplomaticMagic » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 am

Im starting to warm up to Vonleh, I like to hear that hes got a strong work ethic, that gives me hope that he'll figure it out cause right now hes not that good.

It also helps that I'm a big time fan of Elfrid Payton

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Post#217 » by axl_c_cool » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:30 am

Everyone wants a sexy pick in this NBA Draft, we have waited 2 years, it's been tough, Vonleh isn't that in most peoples eyes. Personally I would rather have Exum, Smart, Randle, Gordon, if we select him though I will support him and Rob Hennigan's choice! He could turn out to be a very very good player!
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Post#218 » by KillMonger » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:11 pm

Vonleh has all the tools to be a great player someday and he has the work ethic. I believe i read a story where we would walk miles to go the gym every day, don't quote me on that though. If he can put it all together then he will be pretty good

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Post#219 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:36 pm

I feel like there are alot of peopke tying us to Vonleh.

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Post#220 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 pm

"I think a lot of teams see me as a stretch 4. But I want to one day be able to play the 3 in the league, so I'm going to just keep working on my skills and different things to help me get to that point."


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