Portland's offseason (Milwaukee, Philadelphia)

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Wouldn't give 36 in that deal. I'd do it without it though. Might attach a 2018ish 2nd.

Haha. Well to be honest the deal kind of falls apart there. Let me explain:


The heart of the deal here is Pachulia for Leonard, Freeland. This saves the Bucks $5.1 million over the next two years and allows them to try out a couple young players. Even if they don't work out, this increases the Bucks capspace next summer. Since the salary is pretty much the same in 2014-2015, the Blazers could sweeten this offer by also taking back Delfino and saving the Bucks more money this year, but it requires another small contract. The best candidate is Crabbe, who has a small contract but also holds more value to the Blazers than just filler. He was the #31 pick last year (and we traded 2 seconds specifically to get him), so we would at least want a similar pick to compensate for his value. We might throw in some cash to help grease the wheels, but if we don't get that pick, then we don't include Crabbe (or cash), which means Delfino is also out of the trade, and the Bucks don't save any money this year making the whole thing less attractive from their POV.

So the offers are either:
1. Pachulia for Leonard, Freeland
2. Pachulia, Delfino, #36 for Leonard, Freeland, Crabbe and cash considerations.

I much prefer the first, but I thought Milwaukee would like the second better.

I strongly prefer the first as well.

Done deal then. Seems I unnecessarily complicated things. Thank you for helping improve the trade for both teams.

[buckboy]

Sure. I think it may make some sense to attempt to foist on Delfino on Portland but I'd be totally fine keep him and 36 and no Crabbe.

Saves us a year on Zaza and lets us get a look at Leonard.

Makes sense to me.

[Blazer50]

Granted Zaza would modestly strengthen our bench - but Wisenheimer's point about Delfino's injury sours me on this deal. Never really enough upside to begin with, but trading youth - and Meyers ceiling is much higher than what Zaza brings at this point - makes this a No for me.

In the Philly deal Portland does get a skilled combo forward back that would fit well with our core. Again, Thad would improve our bench and would find the minutes he needs with a contender. IMO it is a steep price to pay a #5 and #10 pick - both on rookie deals to land him, but it seems like the better of the 2 deals. I think resigning Mo and a creative MLE deal will be our best option. And Hope that the young guys develop in 2014-15!

[doctor him]

Sixers are in for a TRob and McCollum for Thad Young deal.

I'm in on this as well. If we need to send #47 back as a sweetener then I'm good with that too.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Granted Zaza would modestly strengthen our bench - but Wisenheimer's point about Delfino's injury sours me on this deal. Never really enough upside to begin with, but trading youth - and Meyers ceiling is much higher than what Zaza brings at this point - makes this a No for me.

Milwaukee is fine with Pachulia for Leonard, Freeland. Does that sway you?

[Norm2953]

I'm less interested in a trade with Milwaukee. Moderately interested in the Philly
deal but am skeptical Portland GM Olshey would deal CJ.

I'm trying to get my hands around what it would take to get Spencer Hawes in a
S/T with the Cavs. Getting an upgrade over Freeland should be Portland's #1
task this off season.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Fair trades all around.

The only thing I would say is that if MIL get Embiid at 2, they wouldn't do it as Zaza would make the perfect backup to keep around for a couple of years, with Sanders hitting the trade block instead (not to POR obviously).

[damecurry]

Granted Zaza would modestly strengthen our bench - but Wisenheimer's point about Delfino's injury sours me on this deal. Never really enough upside to begin with, but trading youth - and Meyers ceiling is much higher than what Zaza brings at this point - makes this a No for me.

In the Philly deal Portland does get a skilled combo forward back that would fit well with our core. Again, Thad would improve our bench and would find the minutes he needs with a contender. IMO it is a steep price to pay a #5 and #10 pick - both on rookie deals to land him, but it seems like the better of the 2 deals. I think resigning Mo and a creative MLE deal will be our best option. And Hope that the young guys develop in 2014-15!

High picks that appear to be mostly busts. I know, it's way too early to tell with CJ and Trob has shown flashes. I just don't see them exploding next year, it's clear Stotts and our system aren't Popovich and the Spurs; flawlessly working rough players/projects into great supporting pieces. He developed the guys who just need a little polishing well, but Trob has bounced around and never shown the consistent scoring ability we need from a big of the bench, Thad has that. I don't care as much for the Zaza deal but I do think he'd be a much better 4/5 backup than freeland/meyers will be next year, or the year after, if he's healthy I spose. Just don't trust that combo as our backup bigs. Much rather trade them for like a sign and trade of Channing Frye, or Spencer Hawes, to match with Trob as our backup bigs, that would be a good pairing, but somehow that sounds like wishful thinking so...

[Goldbum]

I gotta say I really like the T.Rob and C.J. Deal. Getting that 2nd rounder to sweeten the pot makes it a home run for me. How about pursuing Hawes instead of Zaza? Not sure what the cost would be for a sign and trade but including #46 could help considering what they paid for him. Maybe Leonard+ Barton+ Freeland and #46 for Hawes? Idk he's the backup big I like the most though.

[buckboy]

Hawes is a cav.

[Norm2953]

Hawes is a free agent with the Cavs but Portland has no cap space to sign him outright
and would need a S/T to get him.

I'm less interested in guys like Zaza for Portland is a team with one player (Aldridge) who
would require a double team. Their offense with three players (Lillard, Matthews an. d
Batum) who play off these double teams). Zaza does nothing to really help Portland
other than being better than Joel Freeland (at a much higher salary).

[DeBlazerRiddem]

Hawes is a cav.

I think he meant that the 2ed round sweetener that a Philly fan offered could be useful for dealing with the Cav's and getting Hawes instead of Pachulia. I also would like that plan, but I have several doubts about its feasibility.

Hawes is a free agent with the Cavs but Portland has no cap space to sign him outright
and would need a S/T to get him.

I'm less interested in guys like Zaza for Portland is a team with one player (Aldridge) who
would require a double team. Their offense with three players (Lillard, Matthews an. d
Batum) who play off these double teams). Zaza does nothing to really help Portland
other than being better than Joel Freeland (at a much higher salary).

Pachulia is nothing special, but neither are Leonard or Freeland. Pachulia does have one thing Portland needs that those kids cannot provide, and that is experience. And the kids have something that Milwaukee wants, which is youth. None of the three are helping their team, and would probably be more useful on the other team, so that is why this deal makes sense to me. It was not meant to be a sexy trade

[Norm2953]

Zaza has two years left on his contract at $5.3 Million. Not intolerable but in
coach Stott's offense, Meyers is actually a better fit.

For Portland to really compete, they need a competitive third big who the coach
could play when needed 25-30 minutes. Milwaukee is an interesting team with
the second pick in the draft, lots of front court depth. It would seem to me they
need to sort out who to keep from Giannis A., Henson, Ilyssova, Sanders,
Zaza. If Jabari Parker or Emblid are a Buck, that's a lot of bodies up front.

It would seem to me a team like the Bucks has little use for Meyers or Freeland
but would jump at finding a way to get Marquette alumni Wesley Matthews.