Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[Snidely FC]

So, Wade is 32. Lebron admitted frustration over Wade's maintenance program during the season, saying it impacted chemistry and habits. It's possible Wade goes to a team like CHA and becomes The Man again, with high usage.

However, I kind of doubt it. There were stretches of play where Lebron went to the bench. In years past when that happened Wade would take over. He failed to do that (going by eye test here) this year. Where one year of deferring to Lebron might not cause a drop off, I wonder if now multiple years of subverting his game so that Lebron could dominate has eroded his skills.

Would Wade be a good fit here? To me this is the bigger issue. No one wants to pay a guy $18M for gimpy knees, but the idea becomes even less tenable when you picture Wade in The Alfense. Dwyane Wade shot 28% from 3land this year. That to me is the rub. The CHA offense as currently constructed isn't conducive to Wade's forays to the paint, or his post up game. He's not a strong enough long distance shooter to make up the difference.

Adding someone of Wade's stature would be a coup for CHA, however, given his contract and current skillset, I don't do this trade.

[Radu_Hornets]

So, Wade is 32. Lebron admitted frustration over Wade's maintenance program during the season, saying it impacted chemistry and habits. It's possible Wade goes to a team like CHA and becomes The Man again, with high usage.

However, I kind of doubt it. There were stretches of play where Lebron went to the bench. In years past when that happened Wade would take over. He failed to do that (going by eye test here) this year. Where one year of deferring to Lebron might not cause a drop off, I wonder if now multiple years of subverting his game so that Lebron could dominate has eroded his skills.

Would Wade be a good fit here? To me this is the bigger issue. No one wants to pay a guy $18M for gimpy knees, but the idea becomes even less tenable when you picture Wade in The Alfense. Dwyane Wade shot 28% from 3land this year. That to me is the rub. The CHA offense as currently constructed isn't conducive to Wade's forays to the paint, or his post up game. He's not a strong enough long distance shooter to make up the difference.

Adding someone of Wade's stature would be a coup for CHA, however, given his contract and current skillset, I don't do this trade.

The only One from the Big Three I would want, is Chris Bosh.

[yosemiteben]

Do not want Wade. Wouldn't sign him as a FA.

[jakenc]

Lebron or Bosh joining us would be an amazing awesome deal. Either would make us so much better as a basketball team. I don't understand how any of you guys can say "Nah, I don't want the best basketball player in the world on my favorite basketball team that plays basketball."

[MPM]

Sign me up for Bosh as well.

[chabber]

Besides watching the Spurs offensive clinic, seeing Wade so lazy on defense, and utterly fail when he actually tried on offense was just a joy to watch. Now, putting aside all my haterwade.

Wade has been in the perfect situation. If Lebron James is carrying the team through the season, and Wade is still playing this poorly when it matters, why would any GM want to put him in a situation where he is being paid like he is the best and most dependable player. He clearly can not be that guy anymore. This gets a big resounding HELL NAH!! Sorry to disappoint.

Lebron or Bosh, that's another story.

[mrknowitall215]

CHA get: Taj Gibson, #16, and #19

CHI get: #9 and #45



I probably wouldn't do it, but this leery feeling that I'm having about what Cho might do, make this sound like something my hindsight may revisit as something the Hornets should've done

[BeesWax]

CHA get: Taj Gibson, #16, and #19

CHI get: #9 and #45



I probably wouldn't do it, but this leery feeling that I'm having about what Cho might do, make this sound like something my hindsight may revisit as something the Hornets should've done

That is terrible. If the Bulls want the nine in a deal to clear cap space they need to take back Henderson and cut on the clearing or they should just clear space. Their call but Taj is not worth the drop from 9 to 16 and 19 is just a mess to add to 24.

[JDR720]

i wouldn't do that, Taj is 28 years old and he isn't good enough to make up for 7 spots lost in a loaded draft

[Eoghan]

Josh Smith for Bismack Biyombo and Gerald Henderson?

What do you guys think about this?

That contract man, it's tough. If J Smoov had anything close to an appropriate contract I'd definitely consider it b/c he really does make sense next to Al. Might still have enough to sign Lance though but that would be a laughably low IQ team.

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To hell with Wade's broken down, no shooting ass coming here. LeBron obviously, can't say no to that. Bosh would be an interesting addition if he didn't command max money, that would be a competitive team but I doubt they'd sniff a title probably.

[Eoghan]

Laker fans are kicking around this idea:

#7 and Steve Nash (retires)

for

#9 and #24

Why for Charlotte: Move up to get Randle/Gordon/etc

Why for LA: Clear cap for Melo/LeBron/etc

[JDR720]

Laker fans are kicking around this idea:

#7 and Steve Nash (retires)

for

#9 and #24

Why for Charlotte: Move up to get Randle/Gordon/etc

Why for LA: Clear cap for Melo/LeBron/etc

I wouldn't do that

[MasterIchiro]

I suspect the talent level is so similar amongst all the PF's that the Lakers and Celtics both know one of them will fall to 9 and either team would be at least interested in discussing a swap of 9 + 24 to move up. Boston would do it if the Magic take Smart and the Jazz draft Exum imo. I think the Lakers would jump at the chance if Smart is off the board. It's just suspicious how those 2 teams are working out Stauskas and McDermott and you have the Kings posturing for Stauskas after they just drafted a SG, tried trading for a PF and a PG. Smart seems to be the one their all crazy about and if he's gone they want deals lined up to move back while acquiring an extra asset. I hope they don't get decent offers and obviously hope Stauskas falls.

[HornetJail]

I don't want Wade at the price he'll command. I don't want Wade period. He plays 50 games a year, only shows up for half of the games he actually plays in, and may simply quit altogether playing elsewhere.

[fatlever]

good chance randle falls to 9. why trade up to get him?

[MasterIchiro]

Exactly, Boston and LAL want to take one of the PF's anyhow but know they might be able to pick up an asset at 9 and still get one of the falling PF's.

I'm starting to wonder if Randle's foot thing will cause him to fall to 9 and if that happens, what kinds of offers will the Hornets receive from teams salivating over him. I would grab him and target a team about to draft Stauskas, say the Magic at 12 and look to pick up another asset. If Randle falls to 9, maybe we get Stauskas + Afflalo for our troubles (Ben Gordon). What a haul! Then we'd still have pick 24 + Neal to move up to 21 with the Thunder and could use Henderson + 21 to maybe move up again. I'm dreaming out loud here but I just think good things would happen if Randle falls to 9. GM's would suddenly crawl out of the woodwork.

[MasterIchiro]

Or Randle at 9 + Hendo for Afflalo + Stauskas at 12, then Neal + 24 for pick 21.

We walk away from the draft with Afflalo + Stauskas + TJ Warren or Kyle Anderson. I'd feel like we're winners even if we get shut out of free agency by the bigger names out there.

[TheKingofSting2]

Or Randle at 9 + Hendo for Afflalo + Stauskas at 12, then Neal + 24 for pick 21.

We walk away from the draft with Afflalo + Stauskas + TJ Warren or Kyle Anderson. I'd feel like we're winners even if we get shut out of free agency by the bigger names out there.

I'd feel like we lost in any scenario that we traded Randle.

Nik won't be there at 12 anyway.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Henderson doesn’t have a ton of value by himself, but he’s the Hornet’s most obvious trade bait. I took a quick look at potential trades involving Hendo and assume that he’s either traded either straight up or in a trade that involves things like draft picks and minimum salary guys … ie that this is pretty much Hendo alone.

1. Hendo to Orlando for Arron Afflalo. Done to death. I’m more comfortable with the variants involving the 24th pick rather than the 9 -> 12 swap.

2. Hendo to Milwaukee for either Ersan Ilyasova. After the disaster that was Mayo last season and given that the Bucks are super likely to draft another big man they could use some balance and insurance for Love. Trading Hendo for Ilyasova would save them a ton of money over the next few years even if Hendo opted in and give them either a nice backup for Mayo or someone to start at SG if Mayo shows up out of shape again. For Charlotte Ilyasova represents a potential upgrade over McBob or additional proven big man depth.

3. Hendo to Milwaukee for Zaza Pachulia. A smaller trade for both teams. Again it potentially brings more balance to the Bucks, but Charlotte isn’t going to get as much out of this. It bails the Bucks out of a mistake from last off-season and so hopefully Charlotte would end up with something extra like a second round pick next year.

4. Hendo to Philadelphia for Jason Richardson. Hendo can help the 76s bridge the gap to respectability. For Charlotte to do this trade there would have to be extra incentive such as a second round pick or inclusion of another guy to create more cap space. However we all remember what J-Rich brings to the table. He’s older now and coming off a serious injury but his toughness would be welcome in the locker room IMHO.

5. Hendo to Philadelphia for cap space. The reverse of above. Charlotte would need to include a draft pick of some sort IMHO. I don’t see cap space as being valuable to the Bobcats by itself but with Hendo off the books the team could do something like go after a big name (Lance, Hayward, etc.) and several smaller names to round out the roster.

6. Hendo to Minnesota for Kevin Martin. Hendo’s contract ends sooner. If the TWolves end up rebuilding after a Love trade this trade could speed things up. For Charlotte Martin is a better floor spacer. It would be interesting to see what the teams would want to make this happen. My guess is that BOTH teams would ask for something to improve the trade like a pick, but that Minnesota would have the better claim. Maybe the best thing would be a pick swap of some sort to make this work.

7. Hendo to Minnesota for Chase Budinger. For this one the TWolves would need to include a sweetener for Charlotte, but this gives them additional flexibility in Love trades and any picks could be future picks since Clt isn’t going to need anything this year. Best hope for Clt would be a super heavily protected first round pick or a high second round pick. For Charlotte it gives the team a backup SF that can stretch the floor.

[TheKingofSting2]

I don't know how others feel but I have always liked Ersan's game even though he was hurt a lot last season.