Does anyone still support the Jennings trade?

Drumtavious · Post #1 » by **Drumtavious** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:36 pm

was against it at the time, and now in hindsight it's even worse.

I wouldn't trade Middleton alone for Jennings now, let alone add in Knight. Middleton is just the role player we need at the 3, and Knight could have been great off the bench if we wanted to target a player like Lowry this off-season.

Is there anyone who still believes it was a good trade for us? I'm hoping somehow Jennings can turn it all around, but at this stage it's a bad trade for us.

Joe Berry · Post #2 » by **Joe Berry** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:40 pm

No, i never did. whats even worse, they could have just amnestied Charlie and signed Jennings with that capspace. Remember NO ONE in the whole freakin league wanted to sign Jennings, certainly not the Bucks. Would they have matched a 3 year/ 24 mil offer? i dont think so. Dumars as always overpaid and gave up valuable assets with rookie contracts in return to acquire Jennings. I am so glad this guy is gone, he was beyond terrible at everything a GM had to do except drafting.

Billl · Post #3 » by **Billl** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:18 pm

eh - not sold on Jennings, but I'm not losing any sleep over Knight or middleton. I wouldn't want either of them starting for us. Neither knight or jennings seem to be able to run a pick and role to save their lives at this point, but I'm more hopeful that Jennings will learn eventually. That isn't exactly high praise though.

Q00 · Post #4 » by **Q00** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:36 pm

Definitely. Knight was not the answer. Middleton is a dime a dozen player. Jennings may not be the answer either, but he still has more talent and potential than both of them. So it was a good deal to me.

Worst case Jennings becomes a 6th man scorer/playmaker off the bench like a Jamal Crawford. Of course you could say Knight could've done the same in a worst case scenario, but I think Jennings is a better pure scorer than Knight. So even in the worst case, we were better off with Jennings in my opinion.

He may not be a consistent or efficient scorer, but he has that ability to get hot and take over a game, and that's exactly what you look for in a 6th man. I don't think Knight has that ability (at least not as much as Jennings has it).

If the Pistons can get a legit upgrade at starting PG, I think Jennings becomes a big time asset off the bench.

haulerch · Post #5 » by **haulerch** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:44 pm

Jennings has more potential IMO, don't know if he will ever realize it. Knight wasn't my cup of tea, but I didn't like giving up Middleton.

Q00 · Post #6 » by **Q00** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:46 pm

Joe Asberry wrote:No, i never did. whats even worse, they could have just amnestied Charlie and signed Jennings with that capspace. Remember NO ONE in the whole freakin league wanted to sign Jennings, certainly not the Bucks. Would they have matched a 3 year/ 24 mil offer? i dont think so. Dumars as always overpaid and gave up valuable assets with rookie contracts in return to acquire Jennings. I am so glad this guy is gone, he was beyond terrible at everything a GM had to do except drafting.

That's not true. At the time, getting Jennings for 3 yr/24 mil was considered a steal around the league. Because his production/talent warranted at least 10-11 mil/yr. The reason no one wanted him was because of his attitude/character issues, not because of his production/talent. He was basically last years "Lance Stephenson'. Which is why I could see Lance ending up being had for the same type of deal.

Its also funny to read someone say Dumars was terrible at everything but drafting, because I remember 5-6 years ago the common perception of Dumars was that he was great at everything but drafting lol.

Neptune · Post #7 » by **Neptune** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:52 pm

Drumroe wrote:Is there anyone who still believes it was a good trade for us?

Absolutely! The dude averaged over 7apg last season and averaged over 8apg while Cheeks was coaching. We needed a young guy who can distribute and shoot 3's, and now we have one.

RSCD3_ · Post #8 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:23 pm

Stephenson has so much more to offer than Jennings

Way better defense, better driving ability, almost as good of a playmaker and as good as an outside shooter

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The Penguin · Post #9 » by **The Penguin** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:25 pm

I hated and still hate including Knight in the deal. Not using the amnesty on CV31 and signing Jennings outright + not using the amnesty on BG and giving up #9 for $13 mil scream "Cheap Owner" to me. Giving away Knight, giving away pick #9, giving away Afflalo and giving away Amir just for more cap room/"big name" free agents is absolutely ridiculous management.

I don't really have that big of a problem with Jennings, I think he's a mental midget but he has talent, his contract really isn't that bad and he seemed to be taking to Cheeks coaching, but we could have added him for nothing and instead we gave away two cheap assets.

Q00 · Post #10 » by **Q00** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:27 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Stephenson has so much more to offer than Jennings

Way better defense, better driving ability, almost as good of a playmaker and as good as an outside shooter

And twice as much attitude/character issues

MotownMadness · Post #11 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:27 pm

Terrible trade

tradez401 · Post #12 » by **tradez401** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:47 pm

i think dumars picking knight instead of kemba was more tragic then the trade.

Laimbeer · Post #13 » by **Laimbeer** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:53 pm

I wouldn't do the trade again, just based on the amont of money Jennings makes. I think his top end is as an effective bench player and he makes too much for that. Knight and Middleton are useful young players that make a lot less.

I just wonder if Jennings will ever be willing to get his hands dirty and play at least some defense. This season will tell a lot.

RSCD3_ · Post #14 » by **RSCD3_** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 3:57 pm

Oh and another thing

Where did this myth that Jennings is athletic come from his end to end speed is mediocre at best, he doesn't accelerate well or jump high, he was skinny as a twig, and he has cement feet on defense when he tries to move laterally.

I'd say at the PG position he is a below average athlete

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need4detroit · Post #15 » by **need4detroit** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:01 pm

tradez401 wrote:i think dumars picking knight instead of kemba was more tragic then the trade.

He is a few more years younger than Kemba and the bigger player who plays better defense. I don't think theres any sleep to be lost over that.

Post #16 » by **dVs33** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:17 pm

i hated it then and i still do.
we should have kept knight and middleton and just signed jennings outright if Joe wanted him./

Alexander · Post #17 » by **Alexander** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:32 pm

I pretty much hate every decision Joe made (drafting aside) since he signed Tracy McGrady in 2010.
-He re-signed Tayshaun when it would've been more prudent to trade him as an expiring.
-Re-signed Stuckey to like, 8 million per when he had clearly stopped *developing* and was a malcontent.
-Traded a first to get rid of a player that would have been gone in two years and was never given the minutes or shots to earn his contract for Corey Maggette.
-Couldn't convince Calderon to stay. and why bring him in when it messes with Knight's progress?
-Josh Smith. Nonono. Why? No.
-Trading Knight for Jennings. I don't care if Jennings is three years older and further along, we still bricked on the playoffs entirely.
-Not amnestying CV and just letting him expire.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. We should have kept Knight and kept him as a top 6-7 player in our rotation. He could have started at PG alongside a ball-handling SG like Stauskas, or put him at SG alongside a tall PG like MCW, or had him as a utility guy off the bench.
I may actually ~hate~ Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings. I could hardly stand to watch games this year.

ImHeisenberg · Post #18 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:33 pm

tradez401 wrote:i think dumars picking knight instead of kemba was more tragic then the trade.

Well said. Knight didn't even do a workout for Detroit, if I remember correctly.

As for Jennings- I don't support the trade anymore. But, at least Joe wasn't dumb enough to wildly overpay him (for once in his tenure).

Joe Berry · Post #19 » by **Joe Berry** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:57 pm

Q00 wrote:
Joe Asberry wrote:No, i never did. whats even worse, they could have just amnestied Charlie and signed Jennings with that capspace. Remember NO ONE in the whole freakin league wanted to sign Jennings, certainly not the Bucks. Would they have matched a 3 year/ 24 mil offer? i dont think so. Dumars as always overpaid and gave up valuable assets with rookie contracts in return to acquire Jennings. I am so glad this guy is gone, he was beyond terrible at everything a GM had to do except drafting.

That's not true. At the time, getting Jennings for 3 yr/24 mil was considered a steal around the league. Because his production/talent warranted at least 10-11 mil/yr. The reason no one wanted him was because of his attitude/character issues, not because of his production/talent. He was basically last years "Lance Stephenson'. Which is why I could see Lance ending up being had for the same type of deal.

Its also funny to read someone say Dumars was terrible at everything but drafting, because I remember 5-6 years ago the common perception of Dumars was that he was great at everything but drafting lol.

I would argue Jennings is a career backup and 8 mil is too much for that. Stephenson is a 2 way player with a lot less flawed game. And again there was no competition to sign Jennings. I don't even remember any rumors that any other team was interested in him in free agency last summer.

Post #20 » by **theBigLip** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:17 pm

Did I like the trade or like the result? These are two different questions.

I liked the trade. Knight was a 6th man combo guard at best. Middleton is a role player at best. Jennings had potential to be a big upgrade at PG, and be a real PG at that. And the contract for Jennings seems very reasonable.

I didn't like the result. I thought between Cheeks and Billups that we could make Jennings into a top 10 PG for sure. Cheeks didn't last and Billups didn't seem to have much influence. Oh well. Time to move on. I think a new starting PG is still on our "to do" list. But the trade was a worthy attempt, it just didn't work out.