2014 Draft Prospects Thread

Krapinsky · Post #1421 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:36 pm

If you want to get an idea of how next year's draft supposedly compares to this one, KRISTAPS PORZINGIS, who was #21 in the 2014 DX mock is now #7 in the 2015 DX mock.

mandurugo · Post #1422 » by **mandurugo** » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:53 pm

Sakuragi_ wrote:If theres one thing about the wolves I'm confident in.. its their ability to develop big men.

Gorqui became a double double god with the coaching from Sikma and company.

Yeah... but none of those coaches are going to be around anymore.

AQuintus · Post #1423 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:50 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/478957171871207424[/tweet]

I know I've mocked Payton as a target if we get a later pick in a Love trade, but that's looking like a remote possibility between this and Chad Ford mocking him to Sacramento at 8.

Post #1424 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:51 pm

AQuintus wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/478957171871207424[/tweet]

I know I've mocked Payton as a target if we get a later pick in a Love trade, but that's looking like a remote possibility between this and Chad Ford mocking him to Sacramento at 8.

Not surprised at all by this.

mondry · Post #1425 » by **mondry** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:58 pm

I don't think we'd be terribly interested in him at #13 so if he can get picked in front of us maybe another decent player slides into our lap.

Still, seems pretty crazy, DX has had him mocked in the 20's this whole time and is #20 exactly right now. I'd definitely want him at #16 or #17 but #7 or #8?!? I dunno about that.

AQuintus · Post #1426 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 5:59 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/478959336241123328[/tweet]

Post #1427 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:04 pm

mondry wrote:Still, seems pretty crazy, DX has had him mocked in the 20's this whole time and is #20 exactly right now. I'd definitely want him at #16 or #17 but #7 or #8?!? I dunno about that.

DX is always slower to make big changes to their mocks.

As an example, they didn't move Antetokounmpo up from 29 to 17 until the day of the draft last year.

mondry · Post #1428 » by **mondry** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:08 pm

Klomp wrote:
mondry wrote:Still, seems pretty crazy, DX has had him mocked in the 20's this whole time and is #20 exactly right now. I'd definitely want him at #16 or #17 but #7 or #8?!? I dunno about that.

DX is always slower to make big changes to their mocks.

As an example, they didn't move Antetokounmpo up from 29 to 17 until the day of the draft last year.

Well 29 to 17 is still a LOT different to me than 20 to 7 or 8!

The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

AQuintus · Post #1429 » by **AQuintus** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:13 pm

mondry wrote:
The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

Right now its the latter, and as it gets closer to the draft, it will be the former.

For a mock based on latest rumors and team needs, Chad Ford's is likely better now.

Post #1430 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:14 pm

mondry wrote:Well 29 to 17 is still a LOT different to me than 20 to 7 or 8!

The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

12 spots vs. 12 or 13 spots....you're right, its way different.

They start out doing a pure big board, but once we get closer to the draft time, they take into consideration team needs and what they're hearing.

eyeteeth · Post #1431 » by **eyeteeth** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:15 pm

mondry wrote:
Klomp wrote:
mondry wrote:Still, seems pretty crazy, DX has had him mocked in the 20's this whole time and is #20 exactly right now. I'd definitely want him at #16 or #17 but #7 or #8?!? I dunno about that.

DX is always slower to make big changes to their mocks.

As an example, they didn't move Antetokounmpo up from 29 to 17 until the day of the draft last year.

Well 29 to 17 is still a LOT different to me than 20 to 7 or 8!

The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

No, DX's mock is agnostic regarding NBA team needs. They are going solely on the talent evaluations of Jonathan Givony and his staff, and their placement reflects only how well they think each prospect projects into the NBA.

EDIT: Uh-oh, Klomp and I are going to have to battle now. :starwars

mondry · Post #1432 » by **mondry** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:21 pm

Klomp wrote:
mondry wrote:Well 29 to 17 is still a LOT different to me than 20 to 7 or 8!

The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

12 spots vs. 12 or 13 spots....you're right, its way different.

They start out doing a pure big board, but once we get closer to the draft time, they take into consideration team needs and what they're hearing.

I realize it's 12 spots vs 12 spots, but when they occur higher up the draft board, those picks tend to exponentially increase in value. From 29 to 17 it's like "hey, maybe we found a diamond in the rough, let's burn a non lottery pick on him and see if it sticks" but 20 to 7 is like betting "this guy WILL be a future star". To me that's different, but YMMV.

Also thanks for the info on DX for those that replied.

Maefteda · Post #1433 » by **Maefteda** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:27 pm

It's funny that DX have had Aaron Gordon in the top 8 for most of the year, but has now moved him down to 10, while NBAdraft.net have had Gordon at around #16 the whole year, but now have him mocked #8.

Esohny · Post #1434 » by **Esohny** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:32 pm

mondry wrote:
Klomp wrote:
mondry wrote:Well 29 to 17 is still a LOT different to me than 20 to 7 or 8!

The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

12 spots vs. 12 or 13 spots....you're right, its way different.

They start out doing a pure big board, but once we get closer to the draft time, they take into consideration team needs and what they're hearing.

I realize it's 12 spots vs 12 spots, but when they occur higher up the draft board, those picks tend to exponentially increase in value. From 29 to 17 it's like "hey, maybe we found a diamond in the rough, let's burn a non lottery pick on him and see if it sticks" but 20 to 7 is like betting "this guy WILL be a future star". To me that's different, but YMMV.

Also thanks for the info on DX for those that replied.

I wouldnt worry. I would wager that just about everyone but Klomp understood what your position was.

Post #1435 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:50 pm

eyeteeth wrote:
mondry wrote:Well 29 to 17 is still a LOT different to me than 20 to 7 or 8!

The other thing is, does DX mock who they think will get PICKED at each spot? (based on team needs, latest rumors / news, etc) or is a it a mock where they just list who they think the best players are based on some form of scouting or whatever it is they do?

No, DX's mock is agnostic regarding NBA team needs. They are going solely on the talent evaluations of Jonathan Givony and his staff, and their placement reflects only how well they think each prospect projects into the NBA.

EDIT: Uh-oh, Klomp and I are going to have to battle now.

2014 Mock Draft

Team needs have been taken into account in this mock draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/list/

Post #1436 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:29 pm

Esohny wrote:I wouldnt worry. I would wager that just about everyone but Klomp understood what your position was.

They call me the ultimate troll mod for a reason. 8-)

cojayar · Post #1437 » by **cojayar** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 9:50 pm

Krapinsky wrote:If you want to get an idea of how next year's draft supposedly compares to this one, KRISTAPS PORZINGIS, who was #21 in the 2014 DX mock is now #7 in the 2015 DX mock.

Porzingis is 18 years old. Next year he will be one year older and better prepared for the NBA. Specially being a player without much muscles.

MinneOOPalis · Post #1438 » by **MinneOOPalis** » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:36 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/478590602171678720[/tweet]

theGreatRC · Post #1439 » by **theGreatRC** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:08 am

Damian lillard just gave Elfrid Payton a co-sign.

Post #1440 » by **Klomp** » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:10 am

theGreatRC wrote:Damian lillard just gave Elfrid Payton a co-sign.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/479019408572956672[/tweet]