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Post#21 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:35 pm

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5 championships and 8 finals appearances in 10 years...
Against competition like DrJ's Sixers, Bird's Celtics, and The Bad Boy Pistons...

Keep em coming... Lulz...

Chick Hearn called the 01 lakers the greatest laker team in history that he ever saw .... Let it set in


You weren't around long enough to know, but Chick was a very positive guy and said something similar about just about every Lakers Championship team... But the point is debatable...

That said, how frustrating it must be for you that they could only keep it up for one season, because no other Kobe Lakers team was as good.

'Sink in'... More lulz.

You mean Buss and Mitch were just that bad at roster management, that wasn't on the players.
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Re: Charles Barkley Discusses Kobe, Jordan & LeBron 

Post#22 » by Kilroy » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:36 pm

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kblo247 wrote:Chick Hearn called the 01 lakers the greatest laker team in history that he ever saw .... Let it set in


You weren't around long enough to know, but Chick was a very positive guy and said something similar about just about every Lakers Championship team... But the point is debatable...

That said, how frustrating it must be for you that they could only keep it up for one season, because no other Kobe Lakers team was as good.

'Sink in'... More lulz.

You mean Shaq was just that bad at waistline management.


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Post#23 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:41 pm

No I mean Mitch and Jerry we're god fn awful at roster management and just hoped Kobe and Shaq would carry everything ignoring they were losing Horace for nothing, fish had broke he foot again, Harper retiring, Lue leaving and all of Shaw/Horry/Fox getting a year older.

They were inept management , which is the one word that can sum up Kobe/Shaq dynasty wearing down as much as Shaqs weight or Kobe's attitude
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Post#24 » by Kilroy » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:15 pm

I don't think you were even paying attention then if you think that team and it's decline represented inept management.... I'm not sure you were even watching.
You are aware there was a salary cap then too, right? How much did Shaq make?
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Post#25 » by NBAWestFan » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:22 pm

All the comparisions are very hard because of the style of play
was different. The competition was different.

For the young ones who did not see Showtime
They were like the Spurs with Great passing but more fast breaks.
This was a team that could play full court and half court with Kareem
working the half court and Worthy and Magic the transition game.
This team did do very well in the playoffs going very far some years without
losing a game till the finals. Sometimes destroying teams also by 20 to 30 points
without 3 point shooting. (3 Hall famers at least). Good Coach
but one of the best floor generals every in Magic.
Kareem one of the greatest ever.

Kobe's and Shaq were a half court team. (2 Hall famers)
Both teams had good benches. 2001 was a very good team
but the competition was not the Celtics or Pistons.
Great Coach.

These teams would go back and forth trading wins but because
of Shaq's poor free throw shooting and Kareems excellent Free Throw
shooting I would give a slight edge to the Showtime.
Defense was stronger on Kobe and Shaq's teams but

Who is going to stop Worthy? I don't think Kobe and Shaq have an answer
for Worthy.

How about Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum beat the Celtics
Garnett, Pierce, Allen & Rondo? This was a good team too.
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Post#26 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:55 pm

Kilroy wrote:I don't think you were even paying attention then if you think that team and it's decline represented inept management.... I'm not sure you were even watching.
You are aware there was a salary cap then too, right? How much did Shaq make?

There was a cap but they didn't want to pay the tax. They didn't restock that team with talent and then got reactionary the next year with that George extension, they were inept. There's no way you lose Harper, Grant, and Lue without getting anything back. No way you ignore fish re fractured his foot those playoffs without getting back another guy. No way you don't get a guy to compensate for the aging of Fox, Shaw, and Harper. They were simply inept. They didn't provide the team with depth, they over stressed the core, and they simply depended on Kobe and Shaq to be that dominate that they do the work of 2-3 guys each.

The lakers front office was bad and one of the reasons Kobe and Shaq wore down so quick because they sat their cashing checks from what Kobe and Shaq were generating without stocking the shelves.

Shaq made money, but back then he wasn't even the highest paid guy there was ... KG ... And to be blunt Kobe took a paycut from what he could have got by not entering free agency early like Duncan and McGrady, yet they didn't use that money
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Post#27 » by kblo247 » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:02 pm

NBAWestFan wrote:All the comparisions are very hard because of the style of play
was different. The competition was different.

For the young ones who did not see Showtime
They were like the Spurs with Great passing but more fast breaks.
This was a team that could play full court and half court with Kareem
working the half court and Worthy and Magic the transition game.
This team did do very well in the playoffs going very far some years without
losing a game till the finals. Sometimes destroying teams also by 20 to 30 points
without 3 point shooting. (3 Hall famers at least). Good Coach
but one of the best floor generals every in Magic.
Kareem one of the greatest ever.

Kobe's and Shaq were a half court team. (2 Hall famers)
Both teams had good benches. 2001 was a very good team
but the competition was not the Celtics or Pistons.
Great Coach.

These teams would go back and forth trading wins but because
of Shaq's poor free throw shooting and Kareems excellent Free Throw
shooting I would give a slight edge to the Showtime.
Defense was stronger on Kobe and Shaq's teams but

Who is going to stop Worthy? I don't think Kobe and Shaq have an answer
for Worthy.

How about Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum beat the Celtics
Garnett, Pierce, Allen & Rondo? This was a good team too.

Worthy is important but I got to point out the obvious ... Phil **** on Pat X's and O's historically when they matched up. I have a hard time thinking he couldn't think of a way to make worthy who couldn't shoot a jump shooter with Horry or Fox.

The lakers have the better duo in Kobe and Shaq production wise, the best shooter on the court if you're counting 01 in fisher (he averaged 21ppg in the closeouts btw), and they have the best post defender on either roster in Grant.

I think magic would get his as would Kareem, but I think the impact of coop and Scott isn't great. 17 year old Kobe is well known for kicking coopers ass and Scott to me is someone they could at least bother if you remember how fox shadowed Peja.

I will admit Showtime is great but we have seen Phil out coach Riley, Phil take magic out a series, and shaq/Kobe put up the greatest 1/2 numbers in history. That 01 team could play with anyone in the world and come out victorious because they were balanced
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Post#28 » by iamworthy » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:12 am

Barkley said if Melo were to join the Heat that that would be a wussy move. Anybody remember his stance on Lebron when he teamed up with Wade and Bosh?
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Post#29 » by DEEP3CL » Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:29 am

kblo247 wrote: There's no way you lose Harper, Grant, and Lue without getting anything back.
C'mon kblo247, dude Harper was 37, Grant 35 and Lue was 23 and was a restricted FA. First off we weren't getting anything back for Harper or Grant.....it was a wrap those dudes were done and washed up. As for Lue the team had a option they didn't want to pick up, and it wasn't like he had a lot of offers outside of the crazy deal the Wiz signed him to. And the only reason they signed him was because the Wiz were in a knee jerk panic that he could do OK against AI.
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Post#30 » by NBAWestFan » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:08 am

kblo247 wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:All the comparisions are very hard because of the style of play
was different. The competition was different.

For the young ones who did not see Showtime
They were like the Spurs with Great passing but more fast breaks.
This was a team that could play full court and half court with Kareem
working the half court and Worthy and Magic the transition game.
This team did do very well in the playoffs going very far some years without
losing a game till the finals. Sometimes destroying teams also by 20 to 30 points
without 3 point shooting. (3 Hall famers at least). Good Coach
but one of the best floor generals every in Magic.
Kareem one of the greatest ever.

Kobe's and Shaq were a half court team. (2 Hall famers)
Both teams had good benches. 2001 was a very good team
but the competition was not the Celtics or Pistons.
Great Coach.

These teams would go back and forth trading wins but because
of Shaq's poor free throw shooting and Kareems excellent Free Throw
shooting I would give a slight edge to the Showtime.
Defense was stronger on Kobe and Shaq's teams but

Who is going to stop Worthy? I don't think Kobe and Shaq have an answer
for Worthy.

How about Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum beat the Celtics
Garnett, Pierce, Allen & Rondo? This was a good team too.

Worthy is important but I got to point out the obvious ... Phil **** on Pat X's and O's historically when they matched up. I have a hard time thinking he couldn't think of a way to make worthy who couldn't shoot a jump shooter with Horry or Fox.

The lakers have the better duo in Kobe and Shaq production wise, the best shooter on the court if you're counting 01 in fisher (he averaged 21ppg in the closeouts btw), and they have the best post defender on either roster in Grant.

I think magic would get his as would Kareem, but I think the impact of coop and Scott isn't great. 17 year old Kobe is well known for kicking coopers ass and Scott to me is someone they could at least bother if you remember how fox shadowed Peja.

I will admit Showtime is great but we have seen Phil out coach Riley, Phil take magic out a series, and shaq/Kobe put up the greatest 1/2 numbers in history. That 01 team could play with anyone in the world and come out victorious because they were balanced



The key word is balance KBlo. The Showtime were more balanced.
Cooper had a good outside shot. Byron was perhaps a better offense
Threat than Fisher and could play defense so they would be a toss up.
But a young Cooper with long Arms would give Kobe problems.
17 year Kobe against a 40 year old Cooper you are comparing an old
Man chasing a young kid.
You also have McDoo 6’ 10, Rambis and Kareem to stop the Middle.
Magic and Kareem were 90% free throw shooters and Kareem lived at
The line like Jordan. He had great footwork and would foul out Shaq
Or keep him on the bench. Old man Grant and Horry were no match
For Worthy you can’t even compare them. Worthy would leave them in
The dust. The great passing of showtime and transition game would wear
Down Shaq, Grant and Horry. The one guy that would be a hard call would
Be Ron Harper was good player in 01 and would have had to had a 6’ 9”
Magic on him. I just don’t see 01 Lakers who barely beat the Kings beating
The Showtime consistently. The Showtime and 01 Lakers had such different styles
What I can say is the 01 Lakers had some good playoffs that made them exciting to watch.
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Post#31 » by kblo247 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:54 am

DEEP3CL wrote:
kblo247 wrote: There's no way you lose Harper, Grant, and Lue without getting anything back.
C'mon kblo247, dude Harper was 37, Grant 35 and Lue was 23 and was a restricted FA. First off we weren't getting anything back for Harper or Grant.....it was a wrap those dudes were done and washed up. As for Lue the team had a option they didn't want to pick up, and it wasn't like he had a lot of offers outside of the crazy deal the Wiz signed him to. And the only reason they signed him was because the Wiz were in a knee jerk panic that he could do OK against AI.

Grant had more to offer. We could have used him. He defended Tim, Webber, and Sheed one on one. That's a luxury. We gave that up needlessly. All we did was wear Horry down. Deep you have to admit the front office just simply went with the belief Shaq and Kobe were so great they would just pick up the slack. And I think they thought fish wouldn't lose speed either after the second break as he was a lot faster in 01
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Post#32 » by kblo247 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:55 am

NBAWestFan wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:All the comparisions are very hard because of the style of play
was different. The competition was different.

For the young ones who did not see Showtime
They were like the Spurs with Great passing but more fast breaks.
This was a team that could play full court and half court with Kareem
working the half court and Worthy and Magic the transition game.
This team did do very well in the playoffs going very far some years without
losing a game till the finals. Sometimes destroying teams also by 20 to 30 points
without 3 point shooting. (3 Hall famers at least). Good Coach
but one of the best floor generals every in Magic.
Kareem one of the greatest ever.

Kobe's and Shaq were a half court team. (2 Hall famers)
Both teams had good benches. 2001 was a very good team
but the competition was not the Celtics or Pistons.
Great Coach.

These teams would go back and forth trading wins but because
of Shaq's poor free throw shooting and Kareems excellent Free Throw
shooting I would give a slight edge to the Showtime.
Defense was stronger on Kobe and Shaq's teams but

Who is going to stop Worthy? I don't think Kobe and Shaq have an answer
for Worthy.

How about Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum beat the Celtics
Garnett, Pierce, Allen & Rondo? This was a good team too.

Worthy is important but I got to point out the obvious ... Phil **** on Pat X's and O's historically when they matched up. I have a hard time thinking he couldn't think of a way to make worthy who couldn't shoot a jump shooter with Horry or Fox.

The lakers have the better duo in Kobe and Shaq production wise, the best shooter on the court if you're counting 01 in fisher (he averaged 21ppg in the closeouts btw), and they have the best post defender on either roster in Grant.

I think magic would get his as would Kareem, but I think the impact of coop and Scott isn't great. 17 year old Kobe is well known for kicking coopers ass and Scott to me is someone they could at least bother if you remember how fox shadowed Peja.

I will admit Showtime is great but we have seen Phil out coach Riley, Phil take magic out a series, and shaq/Kobe put up the greatest 1/2 numbers in history. That 01 team could play with anyone in the world and come out victorious because they were balanced



The key word is balance KBlo. The Showtime were more balanced.
Cooper had a good outside shot. Byron was perhaps a better offense
Threat than Fisher and could play defense so they would be a toss up.
But a young Cooper with long Arms would give Kobe problems.
17 year Kobe against a 40 year old Cooper you are comparing an old
Man chasing a young kid.
You also have McDoo 6’ 10, Rambis and Kareem to stop the Middle.
Magic and Kareem were 90% free throw shooters and Kareem lived at
The line like Jordan. He had great footwork and would foul out Shaq
Or keep him on the bench. Old man Grant and Horry were no match
For Worthy you can’t even compare them. Worthy would leave them in
The dust. The great passing of showtime and transition game would wear
Down Shaq, Grant and Horry. The one guy that would be a hard call would
Be Ron Harper was good player in 01 and would have had to had a 6’ 9”
Magic on him. I just don’t see 01 Lakers who barely beat the Kings beating
The Showtime consistently. The Showtime and 01 Lakers had such different styles
What I can say is the 01 Lakers had some good playoffs that made them exciting to watch.

01 lakers barely beat the Kings? The ****, they swept the whole west
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Post#33 » by 2thehoopand1 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:03 am

Get17 wrote:So wrong. Seven words: Timberwolves, Magic, Pelicans (nee Hornets), Heat, Grizzlies, Raptors, Hornets (nee Bobcats).
Expansion has killed it. The 10th man on teams used to be a complete stud who couldn't crack much floor time and is now a guy who should be playing abroad.

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Their is a bigger talent pool for basketball then their use to be . Kind of evens things out not fully though. Also weren't the magic an expansion team ?


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