Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3?

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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#61 » by pohani komarac » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:12 pm

20110913 wrote:before april, He made 13of 65 3P. terrible, right?

but why The coach dont stop this 19yrs kid?

you tell me, why??



Mega Vizura is club that exists only for few years, taken over formed into some kind of development club by most powerfull menager in europe Misko Raznjatovic. Only purpose of that club is to develope and sell young players of his agecy BeoBasket. This years they will have 3 drafted players in Micic, Dangubic and Jokic. In future you will see some other guys like Miljenovic ir Zagorac etc. For that club winnig comes secend, selling players first
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#62 » by Notanoob » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:01 am

Impacien wrote:Your approach is way too conservative to be functional. Your assessment of a young player long-range shooting potential would be limited to very few guys. You don't have opinions on how college freshmen project as shooters?

One can look at the evolution, even with small subsamples, at the mechanics and its consistency, at the misses, if they're going left and right and by how far to form an opinion.
Well, fact is that 3 point shooting varies highly, and I think that the reason is simply that the sample size is too small. I can't remember where the study was, but 3P% was one of the least predictive stats for college players. Plenty of guys who can't shoot have a good year and fool you (Rodney Stuckey was a 38% 3 point shooter his freshman year on 120+ shots, but never broke 30% after that), and plenty of guys who did not shoot well in college become excellent shooters. It's very hard to predict with accuracy how well a guy can shoot unless you're dealing with large sample sizes, or smaller sample sizes that are extreme in one direction. If a guy has only taken 100 3s, but hit over 40%, then obviously I'm going to say that he can shoot, while if a guy is shooting sub-30% I basically always assume that he can't shoot.

I suppose that I should back track. Even on guys with small samples size, I draw conclusions and have opinions. Naturally part of it is how good they look shooting the ball. However, I always have a little caveat in for these conclusions - they aren't totally reliable.

However, I'm pretty lucky, and in this draft class there are tons of prospects who shot enough 3's to have some idea of how well they can actually shoot. Certainly, a problem with my sort of analysis is that I basically don't assume guys are making large improvements either during the season or in-between seasons, but I guess it's just good to be cautious. Too many guys just can't really shoot, so I often er on that side.

Impacien wrote:Jokic is a big guy who, unlike most guards, only started shooting 3s recently. He's good form on set shots and his efficiency has been steadily increasing. There are good reasons to believe he'll eventually become a solid 3pt shooter, even though he's far from one now.

Unfortunately for Jokic, his feet speed doesn't project nearly as well. He's very slow (even his technical gestures tend to be executed in a slow, deliberate, way) and a tad soft as well. His body needs a lot of work for him to have a chance of becoming a NBA player.
Yeah, I've been watching some videos of this guy and he clearly needs to hit the weights, but given how effective he is you'd think that there'd be a little more hype for a center with his passing and feel for the game. Even if he's too slow to be a good defender, you'd think that he'd be able to get on the floor with his offensive game, especially if he does become a solid 3 point shooter. Given how big a thing stretch 4s are these day's, I figured that any big who shows a hint of shooting ability would be getting lots of love (like Isaiah Austin, who's terrible).
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#63 » by 20110913 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:22 am

Notanoob wrote:
Impacien wrote:Your approach is way too conservative to be functional. Your assessment of a young player long-range shooting potential would be limited to very few guys. You don't have opinions on how college freshmen project as shooters?
I figured that any big who shows a hint of shooting ability would be getting lots of love (like Isaiah Austin, who's terrible).


leave Isaiah Austin alone. not a good comparision
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#64 » by 20110913 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:39 am

Impacien wrote:Unfortunately for Jokic, his feet speed doesn't project nearly as well. He's very slow (even his technical gestures tend to be executed in a slow, deliberate, way) and a tad soft as well. His body needs a lot of work for him to have a chance of becoming a NBA player.

I think it is a good news.
because he can improve more
19yrs 6'11, 253, too much fat in his body, just exercise more, eat good diet move them out
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#65 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:26 am

He's an NBA caliber talent, I mean there aren't a lot of legit C sized guys to knock him out, especially if he can hit 15-20 footers or w/e. Wouldn't consider him earlier than late 1st however.
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#66 » by Baller2014 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:32 am

I reject the idea you can comment meaningfully as to whether he's an NBA talent. None of us can. We've barely seen the guy.
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Post#67 » by 20110913 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:42 am

Dr Positivity wrote:He's an NBA caliber talent, I mean there aren't a lot of legit C sized guys to knock him out, especially if he can hit 15-20 footers or w/e. Wouldn't consider him earlier than late 1st however.

looks like he will a bucks. there is a rumor @ April
Maybe 31 Pick?
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#68 » by ManualRam » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:46 am

Baller2014 wrote:I reject the idea you can comment meaningfully as to whether he's an NBA talent. None of us can. We've barely seen the guy.

there are a quite a few posters here, some in this thread, who aren't from the states and follow the adriatic league closely.
i reject your rejection.
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#69 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:52 am

I feel there are over 60 "NBA talents" every draft anyways. But that a lot of players with 9th man talent don't necessarily make it. Only so many spots available
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#70 » by Baller2014 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:03 pm

Plenty of the 60 guys drafted turn out to not be good enough to play in the NBA, so your claim there are 60 NBA talents every draft is wrong. You have likely barely seen Jokic. Even NBA teams, with millions of dollars invested in scouting and manhours, do not know if this guy is an NBA player (if they did, he'd definitely be drafted in the 1st round). You are not a pro-scout, you're a guy who has likely barely seen this guy, so the idea you are able to comment meaningfully as to whether he is an NBA talent is pretty dubious.
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#71 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:19 pm

They're not good enough early on but if they got the type of minutes eg Rivers has for NOP they may have found their way eventually. A player doesn't reach his potential until thousands of minutes in, if that potential is limited he probably doesn't get the minutes in the first place
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#72 » by 20110913 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:36 pm

Baller2014 wrote:I reject the idea you can comment meaningfully as to whether he's an NBA talent. None of us can. We've barely seen the guy.


http://suche.web.de/web?q=Mega+Vizura+y ... ateRange=m

tons of free video on the internet, a lot of full game video, not just youtube
far more than ACB video
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Re: Can Nikola Jokic really shoot 3? 

Post#73 » by Brit in Araby » Sat May 27, 2023 5:32 pm

Notanoob wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
pad300 wrote:
That's potentially repairable. Look at what happened with Marc Gasol - fat kid to top 5 NBA center...and Gasol was exposed to NBA physical training later in life (23 vs 19 IIRC).

Jokic does appear to get the game: 4 Asst/40 and a 1.6 A/TO ratio says he can pass quite well for a big. (Saric is also at 4 A/40, and he puts up an A/TO ratio of 1). Another example is his O-boards - 3.4 per 40 - which is quite decent for a guy who's taking a 1/3 of his shots from 3. Given he's not doing it on athletic gifts, he's got a good feel for the game...

maybe.
he looks like a euro lifer to me.
I don't know man, some of those numbers are pretty good, aside from my endless argument with 20110913 about his 2P% and 3P%. Great post game, excellent passer with great assist numbers for a big man on a team that already has a stud PG (Micic), solid steals and blocks numbers, the rebounding numbers look solid for a guy shooting jumpers...If he works on his body and gets a bit more mobile, he could turn out pretty well.


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