Poll: Would you trade Giannis for Parker or Wiggins?

[sherm]

Its just that we play the highlight video and say
potential "oozes" out of him. Its a highlight video folks. we can do a highlight video of jennings 50 pt game and see the potential in him as well. We are still talking about a player who only avg 8 pts a game last season, and we live in the "what if's" world with Giannis. I would love for him to emerge into pipen and wiggins become Jordan. But some of the post here saying they wouldnt trade and 8pt player for anyone in the league other than LBJ is ridiculous.

[LUKE23]

Yes, I really hope we can look back and laugh at comparisons made, because that means the player isn't good and we will be worse off because of it. Lets hope!!

[Newz]

Yes, I really hope we can look back and laugh at comparisons made, because that means the player isn't good and we will be worse off because of it. Lets hope!!

Yup, that's exactly what I said... I hope that he sucks so that we can all come back here and laugh. What a pathetic response.

[LUKE23]

You just seem to be in a real party crashing mood, and like to talk down to people that are excited about a few of our players. It's just something I've noticed. You take a comment made by one poster about Pippen (floor) and act like the entire fanbase thinks that. I mean, go back and read your posts.

[Newz]

You just seem to be in a real party crashing mood, and like to talk down to people that are excited about a few of our players. It's just something I've noticed. You take a comment made by one poster about Pippen (floor) and act like the entire fanbase thinks that. I mean, go back and read your posts.

Yeah Luke, no one talks down to the people who "aren't excited" about Giannis. Nice backpedal from that ridiculous comment you made previously, by the way. Apparently I'm "not excited" about him because I would trade him for Embiid, Wiggins or Parker. Apparently that is, for some reason, an insult to player that I would trade him for a top 3 pick in a loaded draft with three guys (maybe more) who have the chance to be star players.

What I've noticed is that if you aren't all aboard the Giannis hype train then people get pretty upset.

I said I like him, I said I think he's going to be a good player, I said I think he's most likely to become an elite role player or a second tier star type. So what's wrong with that?

I think it's crazy to consider him a "once in a lifetime talent" and say stuff like "I don't think we've ever seen anything like him". Even if Giannis hits his absolute upside guys like Durant and KG have similar body types, way more skills and are superior talents/prospects/players. Hell, Lamar Odom wasn't that much different than Giannis.

I think it's crazy to consider his floor as Scottie Pippen. I think it's crazy that people are saying he's basically a giant Iguodala and if you don't think so, it's just because you haven't watched him... like this **** is a fact. Just like it was a fact around here that Brandon Jennings was the greatest when he was going off in his rookie year.

I also think it's crazy to say that the only guys in the league that people would trade him for are LeBron, Durant and Davis.

[Ayt]

Great. You are arguing against extreme positions held by very few after having barely watched him play.

[LUKE23]

Yeah, that's the issue. You are taking an extreme post, and then painting it like the entire fanbase is covered by said extreme post. It's ridiculous.

[emunney]

What I said was that the player he was most similar to was Iguodala in college, and that at 7ft, there hasn't been a player quite like him. Why would you bring Garnett and Durant into that argument when you clearly don't think he's like them? Or a lazy player like Odom? Sure, he has SOME similarities to those guys, just like he's got some similarities with Anthony Randolph and Jonathan Bender. But in reality he doesn't play like any of them. Therefore...

[DanoMac]

The main reason I don't trade him for top 3 is because this team right now needs to try and hit as many home runs as possible with prospects, and no one (Embiid, Wiggins, Parker) has more home run potential than Giannis. He can do EVERYTHING. Quickness, first step off the dribble, handle, vision, length, defensive potential, jumpshot potential.

The prospects we'd be trading Giannis for all have flaws that we're clearly able to point out. Parker's D. Wiggins' handle. Embiid's back. Giannis is younger than all of them and has the most tools out of all of them.

I'm keeping Giannis and (hopefully) watching him grow into one of the most complete players in the league.

[theFireBlanket]

Its just that we play the highlight video and say
potential "oozes" out of him. Its a highlight video folks. we can do a highlight video of jennings 50 pt game and see the potential in him as well. We are still talking about a player who only avg 8 pts a game last season, and we live in the "what if's" world with Giannis. I would love for him to emerge into pipen and wiggins become Jordan. But some of the post here saying they wouldnt trade and 8pt player for anyone in the league other than LBJ is ridiculous.

The BJ 55 point game highlights would also display the horrid defense that he did it against. It was more exciting at the time because of the string of high scoring games that he put together. And he was staying in the gym to keep his shot falling like that.

Jennings quit working on his game and craft. Shied away from contact, made excuses, lied about being comfortable in Milwaukee, etc.

Giannis isn't going to quit and I'm sure if we had video of his mistakes up, then it'd be even more evident that he's capable of making jumps in his game. The mistakes that he makes are correctable, especially for someone as committed as he is and some of them stem from other player's or coaching decisions getting in the way.

[Treebeard]

Parker, Wiggins, & Giannis are all 19 as of today, correct? Embiid just turned 20 a month or so ago, also correct? For Giannis & Embiid, they've learned the game later than others, and both have only competed at a high level for a very short time.

After watching Giannis for the last season with some regularity, and the others off and on; I'm more comfortable with Giannnis achieving a very high level of productivity in the NBA. I'm hoping like hell the other guys do as well.

Giannis has performed against real NBA players, and often done very well. The other guys have performed the top collegiate level and have performed superbly.

[Newz]

What I said was that the player he was most similar to was Iguodala in college, and that at 7ft, there hasn't been a player quite like him. Why would you bring Garnett and Durant into that argument when you clearly don't think he's like them? Or a lazy player like Odom? Sure, he has SOME similarities to those guys, just like he's got some similarities with Anthony Randolph and Jonathan Bender. But in reality he doesn't play like any of them. Therefore...

You don't think that Garnett and Durant can do anything on a basketball court that Giannis can do... and not only that, but do it better?

Garnett wasn't playing like Giannis because he was capable of being an elite rim protector and a great offensive player from all over the floor... and when he had to, he did play point guard. He could do everything. Durant is never going to play like Giannis because he's arguable the greatest scorer in the history of the league.

If either of those guys wanted to play more in that 'point forward' role or do what Giannis does, then they could. Hell, if you want another example then a guy like AK47 is extremely similar to him if Giannis ever becomes that good.

I guess when I think about unique, I think about players that aren't at all like other players. Shaq was unique. LeBron is unique. Magic was unique. Barkley was unique. Oscar was unique.

[FrieAaron]

Its just that we play the highlight video and say
potential "oozes" out of him.

And what are all these scouting videos being posted about Wiggins and Parker? We've gone over the stats again and again. The problem I have with some of these arguments is some people are treating Giannis as if he's had his chance and couldn't make it, so you have to go for the potential. When in fact he's the same age as both of the prospects we're talking about and NO ONE was expecting him to come out and do what he did in the NBA in year one. Everyone thought he'd take a few years to be productive against NBA competition but he came in and on some nights looked like the best player on our team despite some of our players completely ignoring him.

[FrieAaron]

Speaking of scouting videos, while looking at some for this years picks, I stumbled upon this (not sure if it's been posted yet or not):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efEUKljmdrY[/youtube]

[emunney]

What I said was that the player he was most similar to was Iguodala in college, and that at 7ft, there hasn't been a player quite like him. Why would you bring Garnett and Durant into that argument when you clearly don't think he's like them? Or a lazy player like Odom? Sure, he has SOME similarities to those guys, just like he's got some similarities with Anthony Randolph and Jonathan Bender. But in reality he doesn't play like any of them. Therefore...

You don't think that Garnett and Durant can do anything on a basketball court that Giannis can do... and not only that, but do it better?

Garnett wasn't playing like Giannis because he was capable of being an elite rim protector and a great offensive player from all over the floor... and when he had to, he did play point guard. He could do everything. Durant is never going to play like Giannis because he's arguable the greatest scorer in the history of the league.

If either of those guys wanted to play more in that 'point forward' role or do what Giannis does, then they could. Hell, if you want another example then a guy like AK47 is extremely similar to him if Giannis ever becomes that good.

I guess when I think about unique, I think about players that aren't at all like other players. Shaq was unique. LeBron is unique. Magic was unique. Barkley was unique. Oscar was unique.

Just so I get this straight, you're making the argument that Giannis is not a unique player because, in your mind, you believe that other players could have played like him if they wanted to. You don't think he plays like Durant, but because you think Durant could play like him if he wanted to, he's like Durant. Am I getting that? Does that seem like a sensible way to think about play styles to you? Not based in experience, but based in your imagination?

[Aaron It Out]

I never said anything about demanding, but saying you would "absolutely" trade him and that "it's the only sensible answer" is pretty **** stupid when you have barely watched him play.

I never said that it's the only sensible answer. Maybe someone else did though.

I would trade him for any of the guys in the top 3. I would say as much as I only watched him 10-15 times last year that I think I got a pretty damn good look at him. I honestly think the bigger problem is that:

1. Milwaukee hasn't had a great young player in quite some time.
2. People here are starved for any young player to get behind.
3. Giannis has a fairly unique physical profile and makes a lot of eye opening plays because of his athletic ability.
4. Because of that people have hope that he's going to be good.
5. That hope that he will be good is taken from hope and then presented as fact on this forum... and if you disagree with it, then you are a clueless moron.
6. So because it's the opinion of most that he'll be good, that is starting to morph into him being great.
7. Now he's a once in a lifetime talent unlike anything we've ever seen before.
8. Then it spirals out of control and before you know it the worst that he can possibly be is Scottie Pippen.

9. Newz takes one person's opinion and claims it's everyone's opinion and posts ridiculous hyperbole that even he knows is too elementary to respond to, proving why he is on half the board's ignore list. Thank you for reminding me why you are the most annoying person on this forum.

[Newz]

Great. You are arguing against extreme positions held by very few after having barely watched him play.

Are they held by very few? Just about every thread I go into about Giannis everyone is salivating over him. What do you think his ceiling and floor are? Do you actually agree there is a chance that he turns out to just be an average player?

I also don't think that watching a guy 5-15 games is "barely watching him". I think it's pretty easy to form a decent opinion about a player in that stretch of games, especially when they are spaced out over the season.

I really like him as a player, a talent and he seems like he's a pretty cool guy. But I'm not going to sit here and act like he's a lock to be a Hall of Famer or that he doesn't have a lot of improving to do before he's even a legitimate starter in the NBA.

[Newz]

I never said anything about demanding, but saying you would "absolutely" trade him and that "it's the only sensible answer" is pretty **** stupid when you have barely watched him play.

I never said that it's the only sensible answer. Maybe someone else did though.

I would trade him for any of the guys in the top 3. I would say as much as I only watched him 10-15 times last year that I think I got a pretty damn good look at him. I honestly think the bigger problem is that:

1. Milwaukee hasn't had a great young player in quite some time.
2. People here are starved for any young player to get behind.
3. Giannis has a fairly unique physical profile and makes a lot of eye opening plays because of his athletic ability.
4. Because of that people have hope that he's going to be good.
5. That hope that he will be good is taken from hope and then presented as fact on this forum... and if you disagree with it, then you are a clueless moron.
6. So because it's the opinion of most that he'll be good, that is starting to morph into him being great.
7. Now he's a once in a lifetime talent unlike anything we've ever seen before.
8. Then it spirals out of control and before you know it the worst that he can possibly be is Scottie Pippen.

9. Newz takes one person's opinion and claims it's everyone's opinion and posts ridiculous hyperbole that even he knows is too elementary to respond to, proving why he is on half the board's ignore list. Thank you for reminding me why you are the most annoying person on this forum.

No problem.

[Frank Nova]

I think the love fest from Giannis stems from him always having a smile on his face and he's genuinely happy to be in the situation he's in as a Buck. I think if u eliminated that aspect, then having a honest debate about his future as a basketball player becomes easier for ppl to deal with. I mean let's be honest, 55pts from Jennings and Larry leading the league in blocks are the best things in MKE since Redd was an Allstar. It's easy to shoot for the stars when ur used to getting dumped on IMO.

[Newz]

Just so I get this straight, you're making the argument that Giannis is not a unique player because, in your mind, you believe that other players could have played like him if they wanted to. You don't think he plays like Durant, but because you think Durant could play like him if he wanted to, he's like Durant. Am I getting that? Does that seem like a sensible way to think about play styles to you? Not based in experience, but based in your imagination?

It seems perfectly logical to me. Did other players with similar builds and athletic ability have the ability to do what Giannis could potentially do. Yes, Kevin Durant certainly could. Kevin Garnett certainly could (and did). They can do everything that he can do, but they (in theory) could do it better.

Was there ever another 6'8" player built like LeBron, let alone one who could even start to try to do what he does on the basketball court? Was there ever another 6'4" PF who could dominate in the paint like Barkley? Has there ever even been another person as big and athletic as Shaq? Was there another guard as big as Oscar and that played like him when he was around?

I guess that's what I view as unique. I don't view Giannis as unique because other guys have had his build and have had the skills to do what he does on the floor. I guess you look at it as him not being an elite scorer/shooter like a Durant, so he is going to lean on the other parts of his game more and because of that... it makes him unique. I guess I don't really see it that way... and even if that's the case, like I said, a guy like AK47 would be very similar.