Poll: Would you trade Giannis for Parker or Wiggins?

[dedned]

Most people on this board didn't watch very many games last season.

[RRyder823]

What I said was that the player he was most similar to was Iguodala in college, and that at 7ft, there hasn't been a player quite like him. Why would you bring Garnett and Durant into that argument when you clearly don't think he's like them? Or a lazy player like Odom? Sure, he has SOME similarities to those guys, just like he's got some similarities with Anthony Randolph and Jonathan Bender. But in reality he doesn't play like any of them. Therefore...

You don't think that Garnett and Durant can do anything on a basketball court that Giannis can do... and not only that, but do it better?

Garnett wasn't playing like Giannis because he was capable of being an elite rim protector and a great offensive player from all over the floor... and when he had to, he did play point guard. He could do everything. Durant is never going to play like Giannis because he's arguable the greatest scorer in the history of the league.

If either of those guys wanted to play more in that 'point forward' role or do what Giannis does, then they could. Hell, if you want another example then a guy like AK47 is extremely similar to him if Giannis ever becomes that good.

I guess when I think about unique, I think about players that aren't at all like other players. Shaq was unique. LeBron is unique. Magic was unique. Barkley was unique. Oscar was unique.

It seems like your using the Odom comparison in a derogitory manor. Odom was a pretty damn good player and had a pretty sucsessfull carear in this league even with his head not being screwed on completely strait. If he would have had the right kind of mentality he really would have been a top notch player. The other comparisons your putting out there are just a little off base because your neglecting the fact that Giannis came into the league as a very very RAW prospect and that's why he lasted till 15 and we ended up getting the steal of the draft where as both Garnet and Durant had more polished games coming into the league then Giannis. But comparing any prospect to a current or former top 5 player in the league is fools gold until said player actually reach's that level.

The reason why so many people are so high on Giannis is because despite the fact he wasn't expected to contribute anything till about his 3rd season in the league he came in and showed us all "flashs" of what he could become. Nobody knows if he'll ever get there but when it comes to ceiling its every bit as high a Wiggins or Parker and coupled that with people around here wanting to strait roll the dice on a player becoming a stud then that why so many around here are so high on him. He might really be average at best but if all thoses "flash's" were simply a sign of things to come then we really do have a special player on our hands.

One more thing. I get what your saying about a "unique" player. But I just wouldn't put Magic and Lebron next to each other like that. Their games are pretty freaking similar imo along with combining size with athletism. Once in a generation talents yes but when the word "unique" is put out there I would put 2 similar players right next to each other. Just my opinion

[M-C-G]

Now did we just get the steal of the draft last year (Hammond=genius)? Are we just more comfortable with a known asset that has endeared himself to the community, rather than the unknown that is rated much higher? Is this draft just plain overrated? Or is the draft, even with all the stats, film, analysis, and comparisons, still more of a crap-shoot than we really want to admit?

I guess I would just say, I don't see how any player in this draft has a higher ceiling than what I have witnessed from Giannis.

People give Embiid extra points for only playing the game the last few years, but Giannis was selling watches and in a junior high program 18 months ago. With a real diet, training and coaching this kid is going to be a stud.

[emunney]

Name another 7 footer who defends on ball on the perimeter, helps inside, and moves and thinks like a distributing guard.

[LUKE23]

What makes him unique is that he projects to do essentially everything well by the time he matures, and do it at an extreme height/length combination for his position. He has some similarities in certain aspects of his game with some players, but taking the total package into account there really aren't many comparisons for him. He's honestly one of the more intriguing players to follow that I can remember.

[Newz]

It seems like your using the Odom comparison in a derogitory manor. Odom was a pretty damn good player and had a pretty sucsessfull carear in this league even with his head not being screwed on completely strait. If he would have had the right kind of mentality he really would have been a top notch player. The other comparisons your putting out there are just a little off base because your neglecting the fact that Giannis came into the league as a very very RAW prospect and that's why he lasted till 15 and we ended up getting the steal of the draft where as both Garnet and Durant had more polished games coming into the league then Giannis. But comparing any prospect to a current or former top 5 player in the league is fools gold until said player actually reach's that level.

If it seems like I'm using the Odom comparison in a derogitory way, then I apologize. I'm not. I actually really liked Lamar Odom's game and I think he would have been significantly better if he had his head on straight (which Giannis does). That guy was huge, he could handle like a guard, shoot the three and he head great vision. That's not a rip on Giannis in my mind at all. I'm comparing them physically, not mentally.

One more thing. I get what your saying about a "unique" player. But I just wouldn't put Magic and Lebron next to each other like that. Their games are pretty freaking similar imo along with combining size with athletism. Once in a generation talents yes but when the word "unique" is put out there I would put 2 similar players right next to each other. Just my opinion

I can certainly see that comparison and I agree that if you would compare anyone to LeBron, it would be Magic. Fair point.

[Sherman Douglas]

We once had a thread comparing bogut to Tim freaking Duncan. We had a thread where me self included would only trade Jennings for lebron. We so over value our players. Gianni's showed some glimpses but overall he did not have a special rookie year. Maybe he becomes a stud, maybe he becomes a diaw. I believe the odds of him becoming an ak47 or a diaw are greater than him becoming a top 10 talent. For that reason alone I gamble and go would trade home for a top 3 pick in this draft. This draft has three tier 1 guys. Anyone that's been tier one has become a multiple time all star. The fact not a single other team would trade a top three pick for him is even more telling. This board is great, but god do we fall in love with players who continue to become mediocre. He smiles though. That improves his stock....

Bingo. Say you aren't enamored with Giannis right now, and this board will treat you like a leper. I'd be willing to bet that 5 years from now threads like this will be looked back on the same way we look back on the "Jennings is our superstar" thread.

[Newz]

Name another 7 footer who defends on ball on the perimeter, helps inside, and moves and thinks like a distributing guard.

I just named multiple guys who do that. Kevin Garnett being the primary suspect for the things you just listed. He played point guard for an entire playoff series when they asked him to and he was amazing at it. He was an insane defender on the perimeter and in the paint. He was good enough where he could do that if he wanted or was asked and he could alter his game to be more like the prototypical big man as well.

AK47 was similar as well, that guy was a very good passer in his prime. Lamar Odom functioned a lot like that as well when he was actually on his game.

[LUKE23]

I'll take that bet. How about you have to change your sig to all the posts you've had ripping people for being excited about Giannis?

Giannis is the anti-Jennings though. Jennings was entitled and thought he was a lot better than he was from the jump. Giannis is thrilled to be in Milwaukee and in the NBA, from everything we've seen.

[emunney]

I can't believe you continue to insist that Giannis is Garnett. First that idiot with the Pippen thing and now this.

[Newz]

I can't believe you continue to insist that Giannis is Garnett. First that idiot with the Pippen thing and now this.

You asked for players who could do the things you listed and so I listed some. What do you want from me out of this argument? To just say no player in the history of the league is capable of doing what Giannis can do or approach the game like him?

Good lord.

[Sherman Douglas]

I'll take that bet. How about you have to change your sig to all the posts you've had ripping people for being excited about Giannis?

Giannis is the anti-Jennings though. Jennings was entitled and thought he was a lot better than he was from the jump. Giannis is thrilled to be in Milwaukee and in the NBA, from everything we've seen.

"Ripping people for being excited about Giannis" is not the same thing as ripping people for thinking his floor is Scottie Pippen or uber-athletic Kukoc, or saying that his rookie year was almost as impressive as Kevin Durant's.

[Newz]

I also never said anything like 'Giannis is Garnett'. I said Garnett could do all of the things Giannis can do on a basketball court and he has a similar build to him... thus meaning that Giannis isn't all that unique. As I stated before there are other players that have come through the league who are also somewhat similar.

Obviously he doesn't approach the game exactly like KG, just like KG didn't approach the game just like Giannis. But that doesn't mean that they don't have a lot of similarities physically and within their skillset.

[Sherman Douglas]

I'm "excited" about Giannis too. Excited in the sense that it seems we may have gotten an intriguing player and potential starter in the mid first round, which isn't easy. The point I haven't reached yet is thinking he's better than anyone in this draft besides Embiid, or thinking he's the next Pippen/Kukoc 2.0/Durant/Whatever.

[europa]

Lamar Odom without the drug and personal issues would be one helluva player. If Giannis gets within sniffing distance of that, it could go down as one of the best draft picks by any team in a long time.

Speaking of Odom, go back and look at the 1999 draft when he was picked 4th. That one was freaking loaded.

[emunney]

I can't believe you continue to insist that Giannis is Garnett. First that idiot with the Pippen thing and now this.

You asked for players who could do the things you listed and so I listed some. What do you want from me out of this argument? To just say no player in the history of the league is capable of doing what Giannis can do or approach the game like him?

Good lord.

It's not about capabilities, it's about how players actually play. I say the league hasn't seen a player quite like him, and you bring up Durant, Garnett and AK47, who aren't even similar to each other. Yet they're all apparently just like Giannis.

But god forbid somebody says he plays like a giant Arizona Iguodala. That's INSANE.

[Sherman Douglas]

And for the record, I don't give a **** if Giannis isn't a top 5 or top 10 player. That's not what I expect from the 15th pick in a weak draft. I would be THRILLED if he is even close to the player that AK47 was in his prime and that would make our pick one of the best I can remember.

[LUKE23]

Ripping people for being excited about Giannis" is not the same thing as ripping people for thinking his floor is Scottie Pippen or uber-athletic Kukoc, or saying that his rookie year was almost as impressive as Kevin Durant's

I have literally not seen you post once outside of making sarcastic posts about Giannis. It is your fault if you take a comment from one poster and paint the entire fanbase with it and act like it's a general consensus.

I just never understood the posters that want to crap on people getting excited about young players. It's literally all Bucks fans have to talk about. We haven't won a playoff series in **** 13 years.

[europa]

you continue to say that we should trade him

I honestly don't know what you said after this sentence because this is a complete and utter untruth and as a result I stopped reading. I said I'd trade him for Wiggins or Parker. How in the hell is trading him for two players I consider to be elite NBA prospects a bad thing or a slap at Giannis or an indication I want to get rid of him?
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Hint - it's none of those things.

[Sherman Douglas]

I have literally not seen you post once outside of making sarcastic posts about Giannis.

Well, then you haven't seen about 99.9% of my posts, but that's okay.