Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III

[Merc_Porto]

I prefer to go with a Celtics deal that i dont like too much over a Denver deal.

And i know that its not our business, but Denver would be stupid to trade for Love, they want a 1 year rental ? That doesn´t make sence.

And i even prefer a Phoenix deal without they give us Bledsoe or Dragic.
Possible Denver deal is just awful.

[Merc_Porto]

MIN gets: Thompson, Afflalo, 12h pick, GSW pick 2015

ORL gets: Lee, Barnes

GSW gets: Love, Martin

Lets do this, and send 12th and 13th for the 7th (Lakers)
And draft Gordon or Vonleah or Randle.

Dieng / Pekovic
Gordon or Vonleah or Randle ?
Affalo / Muhammad
Thomspon / Brewer
Rubio

[Baller2014]

I'm not a Celtics fan, but I continue to believe moving him to Boston is the best case scenario for you guys. They have the best assets, especially given the Wolves are not going to make the playoffs once Love is moved. By definition you'd be downgrading talent on a team that is already outside the playoffs (and who is unlikely to have the same quality of coaching next season, as much as you may have had minor gripes with Adelman's style).

[Chris4Vikes]

I'm not a Celtics fan, but I continue to believe moving him to Boston is the best case scenario for you guys. They have the best assets, especially given the Wolves are not going to make the playoffs once Love is moved. By definition you'd be downgrading talent on a team that is already outside the playoffs (and who is unlikely to have the same quality of coaching next season, as much as you may have had minor gripes with Adelman's style).

I believe that any reasonable person knows the Celtics have the best package. Most claims otherwise by Skip, the media, or even TWolves fans are simply posturing. It could be that Danny Ainge is currently offering less than what has been speculated, which is one reason why this is taking so long. Good for Ainge because the Cs are bidding against themselves at some point.

[SCourGe OF GoD]

So i guess wiretap is saying denver offer is faried,chandler,and somehow afflalo in a 3way?

[champalift]

I'm not a Celtics fan, but I continue to believe moving him to Boston is the best case scenario for you guys. They have the best assets, especially given the Wolves are not going to make the playoffs once Love is moved. By definition you'd be downgrading talent on a team that is already outside the playoffs (and who is unlikely to have the same quality of coaching next season, as much as you may have had minor gripes with Adelman's style).

I believe that any reasonable person knows the Celtics have the best package. Most claims otherwise by Skip, the media, or even TWolves fans are simply posturing. It could be that Danny Ainge is currently offering less than what has been speculated, which is one reason why this is taking so long. Good for Ainge because the Cs are bidding against themselves at some point.

Why is in Boston's package better? A bunch of "potential." Unless that "potential" is a top 3 pick, it is still a serious risk in my opinion. Sullinger and Olynyk don't really get me real excited. Picks are picks, you hope you don't screw up #6 pick, but that has happened before for us.
I consider myself a reasonable person and I prefer the Denver package. Adding Chandler and Faried are likely starters for us. Plus, if we are talking somehow Afflalo via Orlando as well, then we are looking at 3 starters for 1.
With a change of attitude, leadership and mentality getting Love out of the locker room and also I do believe Flip will better taylor his offense for Ricky, I think the lineup after the proposed Denver trade is a very solid team. I do think we move Kevin Martin too. With no Adelman, he is just kind of the odd man out in my opinion.

Ricky / FA/Shved
Afflalo / Muhammad
Chandler / Brewer
Faried / #13/Kevin Martin Trade
Pek / Dieng

[criteriado]

What a terrible trade is the Denver one. Flip is going to trade Love for a truly terrible package. Oh god. Terrible. Terrible.

Afflalo is bad.


Actually if we want to be terrible, is not a bad package. We win 25 games with that team.

RPM: Love +5. Faried : +0,38 Wilson Chandler: -0.41 and Afflalo is -2. That team would be BAD.

[minimus]

What a terrible trade is the Denver one. Flip is going to trade Love for a truly terrible package. Oh god. Terrible. Terrible.

Agree. I think Afflalo will opt out. Maybe we can use DEN offer to trade #11 + #13 to grab Noah Vonleh.

Pek/Dieng/Turiaf
Faried/Vonleh/Mbah
Gallinari/Brewer/Shabazz
Shabazz/Martin/Shved
Rubio/???/Barea

[mandurugo]

I think I prefer Mirotic, Butler, Gibson, and no picks

wrote: As long as we're speculating blindly, why not Mirotic, Butler, Gibson and picks? No need to short change yourself, you've earned this!

what's the inference - that Chicago wouldn't necessarily make that offer?

No, I just thought it read strange when you explicitly excluded picks. I assumed you just meant you preferred established players to late first round picks, but what the heck - why not include them? I don't think we can reasonably predict what will be offered before the trade. Probably we won't know much after the trade based on past history - no one thought that was the best deal on the table for KG, but fans will never get breakdowns of all the offers. So might as well shoot for the moon in our speculations...

[criteriado]

What a terrible trade is the Denver one. Flip is going to trade Love for a truly terrible package. Oh god. Terrible. Terrible.

Agree. I think Afflalo will opt out. Maybe we can use DEN offer to trade #11 + #13 to grab Noah Vonleh.

Pek/Dieng/Turiaf
Faried/Vonleh/Mbah
Gallinari/Brewer/Shabazz
Shabazz/Martin/Shved
Rubio/???/Barea

I'd rather try to make the playoffs with Love and then have capspace than making that trade. For me it's the Boston deal with 4 1st, the Bulls deal with all of the assets (Taj+Butler+Mirotic and a first) or just keep Love. Rather have one good season and then be really bad.

[criteriado]

Btw, If Flip has to include a 1st rounder to trade Love for Klay, Barnes and Lee, this franchise becomes an even worse joke. Just terrible.

[Dewey]

What a terrible trade is the Denver one. Flip is going to trade Love for a truly terrible package. Oh god. Terrible. Terrible.

Agree. I think Afflalo will opt out. Maybe we can use DEN offer to trade #11 + #13 to grab Noah Vonleh.

Pek/Dieng/Turiaf
Faried/Vonleh/Mbah
Gallinari/Brewer/Shabazz
Shabazz/Martin/Shved
Rubio/???/Barea

I'd rather try to make the playoffs with Love and then have capspace than making that trade. For me it's the Boston deal with 4 1st, the Bulls deal with all of the assets (Taj+Butler+Mirotic and a first) or just keep Love. Rather have one good season and then be really bad.

this is where I'm at, but I gotta hunch they are putting Melo as first target ... nonetheless, we have zero idea whats actually being offered - all we know is what we believe "should" be available. The CHI options with our #13 seem like the most accomodating for involving a 3rd team. All Flip can do right now is leverage the options.

[the_bruce]

Boston deal is best. I'd even take back crash and send out martin if the deal included a brk pick. Play crashes corpse at pf for a year, and he expires the next.

get one of smart, exum, gordon, vonleh.Smart would be my pref. Then maybe a trade up a few spots for gordon with 13 and 17.

Fun to watch and good defensive team. Good ball movement at everything but sf and all those guys can rebound their position.

More realistic maybe no trade up for gordon. Take kyle anderson at 13. Play him at the 4 & 3. Payne still available at 17.

Dieng/payne/bazz/smart/rubio

Pek/dieng
Crash/payne/anderson
Brewer/bazz/anderson
Smart/bud
Rubio/Jj

After next season Jj falls off. Bud, brew, and crash all expire. Only hole to fill is maybe pf or sf depending how bazz, payne, and anderson look.

[Chris4Vikes]

I'm not a Celtics fan, but I continue to believe moving him to Boston is the best case scenario for you guys. They have the best assets, especially given the Wolves are not going to make the playoffs once Love is moved. By definition you'd be downgrading talent on a team that is already outside the playoffs (and who is unlikely to have the same quality of coaching next season, as much as you may have had minor gripes with Adelman's style).

I believe that any reasonable person knows the Celtics have the best package. Most claims otherwise by Skip, the media, or even TWolves fans are simply posturing. It could be that Danny Ainge is currently offering less than what has been speculated, which is one reason why this is taking so long. Good for Ainge because the Cs are bidding against themselves at some point.

Why is in Boston's package better? A bunch of "potential." Unless that "potential" is a top 3 pick, it is still a serious risk in my opinion. Sullinger and Olynyk don't really get me real excited. Picks are picks, you hope you don't screw up #6 pick, but that has happened before for us.
I consider myself a reasonable person and I prefer the Denver package. Adding Chandler and Faried are likely starters for us. Plus, if we are talking somehow Afflalo via Orlando as well, then we are looking at 3 starters for 1.
With a change of attitude, leadership and mentality getting Love out of the locker room and also I do believe Flip will better taylor his offense for Ricky, I think the lineup after the proposed Denver trade is a very solid team. I do think we move Kevin Martin too. With no Adelman, he is just kind of the odd man out in my opinion.

Ricky / FA/Shved
Afflalo / Muhammad
Chandler / Brewer
Faried / #13/Kevin Martin Trade
Pek / Dieng

I am not saying Boston's package is perfect, and I know the Wolves will never get fair value for a star. But in the context of all the other proposals, it is a no-brainier, provided Ainge puts good package together.

Klay? Not a star and could and would leave in 1-2 years. No decent picks.
Bulls? Maybe it's me but this is horrible. 2 role players and 2 average picks for a star? Seriously?
Nuggets? He'll never resign. End of story.

[Wolves_Nation]

You guys think Love gets booed when we play him?

Most definitely.

I'm not sure he deserves to be, though.

He doesn't. I don't blame him one bit. Sure, I wish he would stay, but the team was so poorly run.

[wildvikeswolves]

I believe that any reasonable person knows the Celtics have the best package. Most claims otherwise by Skip, the media, or even TWolves fans are simply posturing. It could be that Danny Ainge is currently offering less than what has been speculated, which is one reason why this is taking so long. Good for Ainge because the Cs are bidding against themselves at some point.

Why is in Boston's package better? A bunch of "potential." Unless that "potential" is a top 3 pick, it is still a serious risk in my opinion. Sullinger and Olynyk don't really get me real excited. Picks are picks, you hope you don't screw up #6 pick, but that has happened before for us.
I consider myself a reasonable person and I prefer the Denver package. Adding Chandler and Faried are likely starters for us. Plus, if we are talking somehow Afflalo via Orlando as well, then we are looking at 3 starters for 1.
With a change of attitude, leadership and mentality getting Love out of the locker room and also I do believe Flip will better taylor his offense for Ricky, I think the lineup after the proposed Denver trade is a very solid team. I do think we move Kevin Martin too. With no Adelman, he is just kind of the odd man out in my opinion.

Ricky / FA/Shved
Afflalo / Muhammad
Chandler / Brewer
Faried / #13/Kevin Martin Trade
Pek / Dieng

I am not saying Boston's package is perfect, and I know the Wolves will never get fair value for a star. But in the context of all the other proposals, it is a no-brainier, provided Ainge puts good package together.

Klay? Not a star and could and would leave in 1-2 years. No decent picks.
Bulls? Maybe it's me but this is horrible. 2 role players and 2 average picks for a star? Seriously?
Nuggets? He'll never resign. End of story.

I like the Boston deal, but you guys aren't giving us a star either. Your giving us a solid player (Sullinger/Olynyk), with a little chance to get a star at 6, and picks that are unknown at this point.

Theres gonna be a lot of upset people no matter what deal we do unless we got the number 1 pick.

[C.lupus]

Please make a trade happen on draft night so the madness can stop.

[Maefteda]

I kinda like Faried, Gallinari, Fournier, #11 and the right to swap 1st with New York in 2016 for Love and Budinger.

[cl2117]

I like the Boston deal, but you guys aren't giving us a star either. Your giving us a solid player (Sullinger/Olynyk), with a little chance to get a star at 6, and picks that are unknown at this point.

Theres gonna be a lot of upset people no matter what deal we do unless we got the number 1 pick.

I think one of the under valued aspect of a deal with the Celtics is the 2015 draft pick that the Wolves would be getting for themselves. Minnesota owes their 2015 first to Phoenix, but it is protected top 12. If they go the non rebuilding route and pick up say the Denver deal there is a good chance you lose that pick. If you go the rebuilding route with Boston and then give your rookies and sophomores (Dieng/Bazz) plenty of minutes, that's most likely a lottery team. You're keeping that 2015 pick and making it likely it's top 10 if not higher.

Boston didn't get the #6 pick from the Nets trade, they got it from dumping their best players and tanking for it. If the Wolves trade with Boston they're not only getting a truckload of picks, but they keep their own 2015 and have a good chance of picking up another high lottery selection next year for themselves.

I think some of these other packages are competitive value wise, but I'd be worried about the direction Flip would be taking the Wolves in if he went with a lot of them.

[Esohny]

Is Zgoda implying what I think he's implying?

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JerryZgoda/status/479491262991446016[/tweet]

That Zgoda thinks Flip is a big enough idiot to ADD value to a deal where he would already be getting fleeced?

Well, Zgoda is the dolt that was convinced that some team was going to GIVE the Wolves a 1st round pick for Wes Johnson, so that's hardly surprising.