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Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1541 » by sfam » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:42 pm

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Nivek wrote:You guys are nuts if you don't want Lebron on this team. He's the best player in the game. That's obviously no guarantee of a championship, but Lebron's presence on the roster puts his team on the short list of contenders.


Call me nuts, crazy, etc., but I don't want LeBron on this team. I agree that he is the best player in the game and I also agree that he would make us contenders. However, I just flat out don't like him and couldn't envision rooting for a team that he is playing on. I get it why most people wouldn't care as long as we are winners. But to me, its kind of like selling your soul just to have a shot at the championship. I know I am probably in the vast minority, but I honestly would rather continue along that path we are on and root for a bunch of good guys that I like and not win a championship than root for a guy that I despise just to get a ring.

If having Lebron on our team is akin to selling my soul, sign me up!

Seriously though, I don't like him that much either, but if he puts on the Wizards uniform, I will more than happily cheer to his success. Lebron provides all but a few teams instant contention capability.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1542 » by Nivek » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:59 pm

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Nivek wrote:You guys are nuts if you don't want Lebron on this team. He's the best player in the game. That's obviously no guarantee of a championship, but Lebron's presence on the roster puts his team on the short list of contenders.


Call me nuts, crazy, etc., but I don't want LeBron on this team. I agree that he is the best player in the game and I also agree that he would make us contenders. However, I just flat out don't like him and couldn't envision rooting for a team that he is playing on. I get it why most people wouldn't care as long as we are winners. But to me, its kind of like selling your soul just to have a shot at the championship. I know I am probably in the vast minority, but I honestly would rather continue along that path we are on and root for a bunch of good guys that I like and not win a championship than root for a guy that I despise just to get a ring.


This is a different argument than what others seemed to be saying. Other folks were saying things about ON-COURT stuff. Wondering if Lebron and Wall could "mesh," for example (just to pick on nate for a moment). You're acknowledging that Lebron is great, and agreeing he'd make the Wizards a title contender, but saying you don't want him because you just plain don't like him. Which I can fully understand and accept.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1543 » by payitforward » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:23 pm

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Nivek wrote:You guys are nuts if you don't want Lebron on this team. He's the best player in the game. That's obviously no guarantee of a championship, but Lebron's presence on the roster puts his team on the short list of contenders.


Yep, I thought it was nuts when no one here wanted him 4 years ago. Same with Ted, he even said he wasn't interested in pursuing him. I thought it did the Clippers nothing but good to go aggressively after James even though they had no real shot. It eventually set the stage for the Chris Paul acquisition a bit later.

Well, of course -- the better the player the more you want him, and LeBron is the best.

But LeBron will have his choice of places to play, and I can't begin to imagine any reasons he'd choose to play here. For that reason, it's seemed a distraction to me to even talk about it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1544 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 11:08 pm

No thanks to Lebron on the team, I would have a hard time rooting for the Wizards. I rather follow the Spurs model.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1545 » by nuposse04 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:00 am

Could we possibly move up into the 25-30 range by offering up our current pick+Rights to Tomas+like a '17 2nd rounder? Or is that actually an overpay....I'm guessing most of the decent project big men should be gone by our slot :I
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1546 » by dangermouse » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:35 am

If there are any teams in that region looking to cut costs in order to hire a big name FA or retain their own FAs then it is possible they could look to trade out of the first round.

Hopefully old Ern is looking into such a deal, the draft will be incredibly boring otherwise.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1547 » by verbal8 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:51 am

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:No thanks to Lebron on the team, I would have a hard time rooting for the Wizards. I rather follow the Spurs model.

That would require a new GM.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1548 » by verbal8 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:35 am

dangermouse wrote:If there are any teams in that region looking to cut costs in order to hire a big name FA or retain their own FAs then it is possible they could look to trade out of the first round.

Hopefully old Ern is looking into such a deal, the draft will be incredibly boring otherwise.

I saw somewhere that 25-30 seem to be available. The Rockets, Heat, Suns, Clippers, Thunder and Spurs have those picks. All those teams could potentially want to minimize salary cap/luxury tax impact, so I do see those picks being available.

I doubt Lin or Perkins can be moved with those picks. However something like Haslem and pick for Andre Miller could work.

I think the teams that hold the picks are too smart to straight up sell 1st round draft picks.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1549 » by stevemcqueen1 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:41 pm

dandridge 10 wrote:
Nivek wrote:You guys are nuts if you don't want Lebron on this team. He's the best player in the game. That's obviously no guarantee of a championship, but Lebron's presence on the roster puts his team on the short list of contenders.


Call me nuts, crazy, etc., but I don't want LeBron on this team. I agree that he is the best player in the game and I also agree that he would make us contenders. However, I just flat out don't like him and couldn't envision rooting for a team that he is playing on. I get it why most people wouldn't care as long as we are winners. But to me, its kind of like selling your soul just to have a shot at the championship. I know I am probably in the vast minority, but I honestly would rather continue along that path we are on and root for a bunch of good guys that I like and not win a championship than root for a guy that I despise just to get a ring.


Had a similar feeling about the DeSean Jackson signing for the Redskins. Except there you had Redskins fans being whores for a considerably worse and and less likable player.

LeBron man... I don't know. I'd be conflicted.

I know for damn sure I would not want to see us trade Wall just to make it work with LeBron. **** that. Then we would be whores.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1550 » by tsvqt » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:54 pm

dandridge 10 wrote:
Nivek wrote:You guys are nuts if you don't want Lebron on this team. He's the best player in the game. That's obviously no guarantee of a championship, but Lebron's presence on the roster puts his team on the short list of contenders.


Call me nuts, crazy, etc., but I don't want LeBron on this team. I agree that he is the best player in the game and I also agree that he would make us contenders. However, I just flat out don't like him and couldn't envision rooting for a team that he is playing on. I get it why most people wouldn't care as long as we are winners. But to me, its kind of like selling your soul just to have a shot at the championship. I know I am probably in the vast minority, but I honestly would rather continue along that path we are on and root for a bunch of good guys that I like and not win a championship than root for a guy that I despise just to get a ring.


Hey dandridge 10, you and me both!! Your words are my words, your thoughts are my thoughts!! That's equivelent to Jerry Jones moving the Dallas Cowboys to the National Harbor, and renaming them the National Cowboys, and expecting me to root for them!! #HailToTheNo
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1551 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:04 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:No thanks to Lebron on the team, I would have a hard time rooting for the Wizards. I rather follow the Spurs model.


I think the Spurs would have no problem taking LeBron on their team.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1552 » by Nivek » Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:55 pm

Basically, you guys are saying "I don't wan't Lebron because I don't like him, personally." That's a pure fan reaction, which, while I appreciate, is nuts. So, thanks for making my point. :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1553 » by Dark Faze » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:30 pm

I'd accept LeBron as our lord and savior with a full heart
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1554 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:55 pm

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TheKingOfVa360 wrote:No thanks to Lebron on the team, I would have a hard time rooting for the Wizards. I rather follow the Spurs model.


I think the Spurs would have no problem taking LeBron on their team.


The Spurs would be less successful with Lebron at SF instead of Kawhi Leonard. Their ball movement would give way to isolation ball. Their other contributors would ball watch while Lebron went into hero mode. They wouldn't be as good. Parker wouldn't get them off and running. He would turn into Norris Cole looking for a role.

OTOH a team that is not already elite, such as the Wizards, would improve a lot with Lebron instead of Ariza.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1555 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:04 pm

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Dat2U wrote:
TheKingOfVa360 wrote:No thanks to Lebron on the team, I would have a hard time rooting for the Wizards. I rather follow the Spurs model.


I think the Spurs would have no problem taking LeBron on their team.


The Spurs would be less successful with Lebron at SF instead of Kawhi Leonard. Their ball movement would give way to isolation ball. Their other contributors would ball watch while Lebron went into hero mode. They wouldn't be as good. Parker wouldn't get them off and running. He would turn into Norris Cole looking for a role.

OTOH a team that is not already elite, such as the Wizards, would improve a lot with Lebron instead of Ariza.

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Because LeBron is all about ISO ball??? LOL oh wow. This idea that high IQ players wouldn't or couldn't adapt to a different situation is just plain ridiculous. Taking nothing away from Kawhi, but imagine, just imagine if LeBron is surrounded by guys like Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, etc... Can't we just say San Antonio had more talent and not make this a referendum on anything else?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1556 » by mhd » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:33 pm

My plan to get Embiid: assuming Wiggins/Parker go 1/2 or vice versa, and exum/vonleh go 3, and smart/exum/vonleh goes 4, then: wiz trade nene, Webster, porter, unprotected 2016 1st for 5 (Embiid), Jason Thompson, Landry, terry and Lucas. Utah trades 5, gobert, Lucas for porter, 8. Sac trades 8, terry, Landry, Thompson for nene, Webster, gobert, wizards 2016 unprotected 1st. Thoughts?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1557 » by Induveca » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:57 pm

Zero desire for James on the Wizards. I'm all for team recognition and improvement vs being media fodder for the Kim Kardashian of the NBA.

This goes beyond dislike, the guy has been a corporate media/advertising experiment much like Tebow/Kardashian and it's a female sensibility parade I don't want in DC or quite frankly anywhere near the NBA. Between the "decisions" focus on "fashion" and "emotion" just not something I ever want near my franchise.

Great player, but a corporate entity/puppet which kills the soul of the larger brand.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1558 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:01 pm

I'd rather find ways to like as opposed to dislike. I'm not a LeBron fan in the least but I respect his game and recognize him as the best player in the game over the past decade. If we were somehow lucky enough to have him play for DC, I'd probably celebrate like it's 1999.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1559 » by Nivek » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:07 pm

Man, make the playoffs, win a round and people looking down their collective noses at the best player in the game. It's downright comical, really. :lol:
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII 

Post#1560 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:25 pm

For most fans - the dream, the fantasy, the ultimate everything... is to win a championship. Getting Lebron gives you a better chance to that - perhaps by far - than anyone else. And as far as I know, he's not a mass murderer. So, there's not even the tiniest infinitesimal doubt that I want him on my team. If others don't, I won't begin to understand you, but God love ya.
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