Kevin Love Trade thread pt. III

pac213up · Post #121 » by **pac213up** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:59 pm

It is fairly clear they are trying to exert maximum pressure on Ainge right now with all these media leaks. Guessing Ainge is playing hardball and has not even come close to offering (yet) what has been reported.

Trade for a guy with a 14 PER that expects a max contract at the end of the year while winning enough games to lose next year's draft pick. Ainge must be laughing right now.

phonzadellika · Post #122 » by **phonzadellika** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:59 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:

That oversimplifies things, there are plenty of advanced stats that say Pek is a better defender than Dieng at this point.

I would disagree and agree with that at the same time. I watched almost every TWolves game that was on TV last year and Dieng is a great help defender while Pek (and KLove) are horrible help defenders. Where Dieng lacks is with man-to-man defense (which is what Pek is good at). Dieng got abused by Cousins and other big centers where Pek actually owned Cousins most of the time. If Dieng can add strength and improve his man-to-man defense, we would be in great shape.

I also think Pek is a smarter defender at this point of his career than Gorgui. Gorgui can be a little over anxious. But that's why I'd like to keep both, it's possible that Gorgui is our center of the future but I don't trust him enough yet to dump Pek.

Dieng knows he has to add strength and has been hitting the gym. I think he's going to be find by the end of the year...probably won't ever be the man defender that Pekovic in his ability to prevent people to get where they want to be but decent enough to greatly impact the overall defense.

Post #123 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:00 pm

ILOVEIT wrote:Lee was AN ALL STAR LAST YEAR people He is one of a few that averages close to 20 and 10.....

So Last years All Star PF and a top 5 two way 6'7" shooting guard for an All Star PF and salary saving in trading away Kevin Martin.....

That is as fair as you'll ever get.

Two years ago, not last season

phonzadellika · Post #124 » by **phonzadellika** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:02 pm

pac213up wrote:It is fairly clear they are trying to exert maximum pressure on Ainge right now with all these media leaks. Guessing Ainge is playing hardball and has not even come close to offering (yet) what has been reported.

Trade for a guy with a 14 PER that expects a max contract at the end of the year while winning enough games to lose next year's draft pick. Ainge must be laughing right now.

I'm not sure they're trying to put pressure on the Celtics...#6 is not a guarantee. #3 would have been.

fattymcgee · Post #125 » by **fattymcgee** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:02 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
fattymcgee wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:

That oversimplifies things, there are plenty of advanced stats that say Pek is a better defender than Dieng at this point.

I would disagree and agree with that at the same time. I watched almost every TWolves game that was on TV last year and Dieng is a great help defender while Pek (and KLove) are horrible help defenders. Where Dieng lacks is with man-to-man defense (which is what Pek is good at). Dieng got abused by Cousins and other big centers where Pek actually owned Cousins most of the time. If Dieng can add strength and improve his man-to-man defense, we would be in great shape.

I also think Pek is a smarter defender at this point of his career than Gorgui. Gorgui can be a little over anxious. But that's why I'd like to keep both, it's possible that Gorgui is our center of the future but I don't trust him enough yet to dump Pek.

I feel the same way. If we traded with GS I would prefer to start Dieng with Lee and have Pek off the bench for his offense since our bench couldn't score last year. Against teams where Dieng can't handle the other teams' starting center we could swap and start Pek instead.

Post #126 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:03 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Let's put it this way: I'd rather have David Lee as our starting PF than Dante Cunningham. If we're going to trade with Golden State, I'd rather have Lee than not have him.

Now that I can agree with!

criteriado · Post #127 » by **criteriado** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:03 pm

Someone fire flip! He wants to part with the 13th pick! This guy is **** insane! **** this franchise.

CelticsPride18 · Post #128 » by **CelticsPride18** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:04 pm

Sources: Twolves & Warriors discussing Possible trade: KLove, KMartin, JJBarea, 13th pick for Klay Thompson and David Lee

Chris Broussard.

This deal is awful for the Wolves.

Post #129 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:04 pm

LOL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/479700802068832257[/tweet]

criteriado · Post #130 » by **criteriado** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:05 pm

I'm tired of the incompetent decisions of this franchise. **** off.

Post #131 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:05 pm

criteriado wrote:Someone fire flip! He wants to part with the 13th pick! This guy is **** insane! **** this franchise.

Its Broussard, when has he ever gotten anything right? Breathe....

DarkAzcura · Post #132 » by **DarkAzcura** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:05 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:
Sources: Twolves & Warriors discussing Possible trade: KLove, KMartin, JJBarea, 13th pick for Klay Thompson and David Lee

Chris Broussard.

This deal is awful for the Wolves.

Well I'm crossing off Broussard from my "guys to listen to" list...for the 50th time.

cue multiplesources.jpg

karch34 · Post #133 » by **karch34** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:06 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:He's a starting caliber PF for a team that needs a starting PF.

He's not a great fit with our other players, though.

If he's not a great roster fit and we can't trade him because we won't get anything good in return, I fail to see how he's ever neutral trade filler.

I'm not completely opposed to the deal simply because of Thompson, but I'm not too fond of acquiring Lee.

Let's put it this way: I'd rather have David Lee as our starting PF than Dante Cunningham. If we're going to trade with Golden State, I'd rather have Lee than not have him.

Agree. He's overpaid, but at the same time while he's a downgrade from Kevin Love, he's not a huge downgrade. Less points and rebounds, but still in the 20-10 realm. Someone like Thompson improves us big time at SG, so I would live with the downgrade at PF.

As far as tread milling, with the exception of one year with KG that's pretty much his time with us. The difference is there really wasn't anything to develop around him, the picks to do so, and a coherent FA plan (McHale calls up 3 guys and says MLE is there for whomever signs first). Right now even with our issues I think there's still a lot more potential for internal and external growth.

criteriado · Post #134 » by **criteriado** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:06 pm

If Flip makes that deal, I swear...I stop caring about this franchise. I'm joining the GSW bandwagon.

Post #135 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:07 pm

criteriado wrote:I'm tired of the incompetent decisions of this franchise. **** off.

Last I checked, Broussard isn't on the team's payroll. How is his tweet a reflection of the franchise's supposed incompetence?

Krapinsky · Post #136 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:07 pm

My god that is awful. Deep breaths....it's just Broussard....deep breaths....

criteriado · Post #137 » by **criteriado** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:07 pm

Klomp wrote:
criteriado wrote:Someone fire flip! He wants to part with the 13th pick! This guy is **** insane! **** this franchise.

Its Broussard, when has he ever gotten anything right? Breathe....

We're talking about Flip Saunders. The guy that dealt Mike Miller and Foye for Rubio. This guy is so incompetent.

... · Post #138 » by **...** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:07 pm

Klomp wrote:LOL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/479700802068832257[/tweet]

Holy balls that is terrible.

Krapinsky · Post #139 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:08 pm

Klomp wrote:LOL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/479700802068832257[/tweet]

There's no way that deal works financially is there?

EDIT: Yes, the Warriors have a huge TPE

karch34 · Post #140 » by **karch34** » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:08 pm

Klomp wrote:LOL

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/479700802068832257[/tweet]

Doesn't work numbers wise I believe. Now while I think we do a have the ability to screw things up and include a pick or anothe good piece besides Love, there's a lot of pieces outside the main 2 on either side that are likely to get mentioned.