2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[Arsenal]

I feel more comfortable with Marcus Smart than I do with Dante Exum. Which is why I'd try my best to trade down if Parker and Wiggins go 1 and 2.

I can easily see Smart going #4 to Orlando if available so we might need to swap with them. I'd like 4 and 12 for 3 but doubtful we could get that.

[F-Stop]

I feel more comfortable with Marcus Smart than I do with Dante Exum. Which is why I'd try my best to trade down if Parker and Wiggins go 1 and 2.

I can easily see Smart going #4 to Orlando if available so we might need to swap with them. I'd like 4 and 12 for 3 but doubtful we could get that.

we can add a 2nd rounder to the pot or even take on salary to make it happen.

[ShowYaLuv25]

There's a guy on a Cavs board who said we'd need to give up 3, 10, Noel, and a future unprotected first just to jump to 1. Hahahahahahaha

[MRxBLACK]

There's a guy on a Cavs board who said we'd need to give up 3, 10, Noel, and a future unprotected first just to jump to 1. Hahahahahahaha

Hinkie would hang up his phone so hard it would break the table.

[CoreyGallagher]

There's a guy on a Cavs board who said we'd need to give up 3, 10, Noel, and a future unprotected first just to jump to 1. Hahahahahahaha

We have our lunatics here as well, that happens to be one of their's apparently.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Fans can speculate as much as they want, but I doubt from everything you hear that the Cavs like Wiggins that much to demand that much in return. He's probably not even #1 on their draft board right now. I bet it's Parker anyway. If he is, it's most likely only a smidgen ahead.

Trading down yesterday, the Cavs would've had to pass up the guy they fell in love with in Embiid.

That is why when everyone says the price got higher, I don't agree. I think the price was higher yesterday, because the Cavs fell in love with Embiid, and if they dropped down to 3, they would lose out on Wiggins. It doesn't seem like they like any other player nearly as much.

[76ciology]

Isn't Dante Exum just as big a risk being that he's virtually unproven? For all we know, he could have been as anemic as Andrew Harrison if he played in the NCAA this year.

exum is a risk, just a different kind of risk. i'm more willing to take a chance on him than a guy who has classic 7 ft injury bust written all over him.

Yea what risk would you take: Refining the Jump shot and polishing up the game of an 18 year old kid.
or hoping your 7 foot 250 lb big man doesn't fall out of bed and break another brittle bone?[/quote］

Yup, I agree. I think it has come to this.

We don't have any problem with noel because it was a freak injury and honestly, ACL is not that big of a major injury with medical technology and rest.

But for a guy like Embiid who seems to be injury prone despite with just limited action? I wouldn't touch that especially with a team like us that is still years away from competing.

[76ciology]

Fans can speculate as much as they want, but I doubt from everything you hear that the Cavs like Wiggins that much to demand that much in return. He's probably not even #1 on their draft board right now. I bet it's Parker anyway. If he is, it's most likely only a smidgen ahead.

Trading down yesterday, the Cavs would've had to pass up the guy they fell in love with in Embiid.

That is why when everyone says the price got higher, I don't agree. I think the price was higher yesterday, because the Cavs fell in love with Embiid, and if they dropped down to 3, they would lose out on Wiggins. It doesn't seem like they like any other player nearly as much.

The higher the demand, the higher the price.

I think that the demand for the no.1 pick did increase after losing one possible option for the no.1 pick. Looking at tiers, suddenly there's a gap between the top 2 and 3 pick.

But then, I also think they'd go with Parker. Exum lands with Bucks and Wiggins to us. Wiggins is just too raw for them and I really don't see how Wiggins would be a good fit being a 3 and D guy and transition player on offense with the no.1 pick.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Fans can speculate as much as they want, but I doubt from everything you hear that the Cavs like Wiggins that much to demand that much in return. He's probably not even #1 on their draft board right now. I bet it's Parker anyway. If he is, it's most likely only a smidgen ahead.

Trading down yesterday, the Cavs would've had to pass up the guy they fell in love with in Embiid.

That is why when everyone says the price got higher, I don't agree. I think the price was higher yesterday, because the Cavs fell in love with Embiid, and if they dropped down to 3, they would lose out on Wiggins. It doesn't seem like they like any other player nearly as much.

The higher the demand, the higher the price.

I think that the demand for the no.1 pick did increase after losing one possible option for the no.1 pick. Looking at tiers, suddenly there's a gap between the top 2 and 3 pick.

But then, I also think they'd go with Parker. Exum lands with Bucks and Wiggins to us. Wiggins is just too raw for them and I really don't see how Wiggins would be a good fit being a 3 and D guy and transition player on offense with the no.1 pick.

Well, demand is just one side of the coin. There's also the "willingness to move down" factor. While the Sixers have lost leverage, yesterday the Cavs were probably less willing to move down, because they could potential miss the player they fell in love with.

Look at it this way:

Pretend the Sixers had the #1 overall pick and this stress fracture thing happened to Wiggins, and Wiggins was their guy all along like Embiid was for the Cavs. Before the injury? Do you think there is any way Hinkie would have traded down? I don't think so. He loves Wiggins, so why move down and lose the guy you love? But now that the guy he love is gone, maybe he wants to move down and pick up an extra pick or player and still get another guy he likes on the board.

We don't know the Cavs draft board, though. There might not be a major gap, if any, between Wiggins and Exum. There are a lot of question marks.

[James40]

If our medical staff is confident he'll make a full recovery, I'd be okay with taking Embiid at #3 and redshirting him to heal ala Noel, and slowly build up strength/stamina and give Brett Brown a chance to work on his skills. Sure we'd suck again next year but hey, another tank job would serve us well.

Or even better try to trade up from #10 (using Thad, cap space, 2nd rounders) to grab him. Coming out of this draft with Exum or Wiggins and Embiid could be amazing.

That's what Hinkie needs, another tank year so maybe next year we get the 5th pick and Okafor breaks his shin, but let's draft him anyway because its still the beginning of the rebuild. BB would be half way through his contract and just threw another season away so he couldn't get a job as a hot dog vendor at Citizens Bank Park, while hoping the 7ft 250lb pile of glass we drafted can make it 30 games.

How about this, before we take another injured big we get through a season with Noel, because the last I checked, he hasn't proven or done anything at the NBA level.

[76ciology]

Fans can speculate as much as they want, but I doubt from everything you hear that the Cavs like Wiggins that much to demand that much in return. He's probably not even #1 on their draft board right now. I bet it's Parker anyway. If he is, it's most likely only a smidgen ahead.

Trading down yesterday, the Cavs would've had to pass up the guy they fell in love with in Embiid.

That is why when everyone says the price got higher, I don't agree. I think the price was higher yesterday, because the Cavs fell in love with Embiid, and if they dropped down to 3, they would lose out on Wiggins. It doesn't seem like they like any other player nearly as much.

The higher the demand, the higher the price.

I think that the demand for the no.1 pick did increase after losing one possible option for the no.1 pick. Looking at tiers, suddenly there's a gap between the top 2 and 3 pick.

But then, I also think they'd go with Parker. Exum lands with Bucks and Wiggins to us. Wiggins is just too raw for them and I really don't see how Wiggins would be a good fit being a 3 and D guy and transition player on offense with the no.1 pick.

Well, demand is just one side of the coin. There's also the "willingness to move down" factor. While the Sixers have lost leverage, yesterday the Cavs were probably less willing to move down, because they could potential miss the player they fell in love with.

Look at it this way:

Pretend the Sixers had the #1 overall pick and this stress fracture thing happened to Wiggins, and Wiggins was their guy all along like Embiid was for the Cavs. Before the injury? Do you think there is any way Hinkie would have traded down? I don't think so. He loves Wiggins, so why move down and lose the guy you love? But now that the guy he love is gone, maybe he wants to move down and pick up an extra pick or player and still get another guy he likes on the board.

We don't know the Cavs draft board, though. There might not be a major gap, if any, between Wiggins and Exum. There are a lot of question marks.

Yes, the Cavs might be willing to trade down. And I see your point with none of Wiggins or Jabari fitting their team need.

But let's remember that making a trade means taking the best offer. I'm sure with a higher demand for a top 2 pick, after losing Embiid, more teams will make trade offers for the Cavs' 1st overall. Simply, It's up for grabs but it isn't going to be cheap.

And more offers generally means the offers will be more competitive. And will most likely result in a competitive bidding process among the number of teams interested for the Cavs 1st overall.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Can't wait to see how this draft plays out. I'm sure Hinkie is crunching the ways to end up with Wiggins now and has been since yesterday afternoon.

I know every draft turns into a love it or hate it type of deal, and typically people freak out at each other whenever someone takes one extreme. So, I just want to get this out of the way now so people don't use the "Dude, when the dust settles you'll calm down. Don't overreact." Everyone loves the draft, because the fun of it is hoping your team drafts the guys that you want, and you also hope your team doesn't take the guys you don't want. If the Sixers end up taking Exum at 3 and standing pat, I'll be in full tirade mode. Just a head's up. Been wanting one of Wiggins/Parker/Embiid for so long, and have been anti-Exum for so long, after it looking like a lock that we'd get one of those top 3, I just wouldn't be able to handle Exum. It would destroy me.

Just wanted to get that out of the way, and I won't mention it again until draft night, should my personal disaster scenario happen. Can't remember the last time I even got angry at something Sixers-related, because for most of the last 5 years there has been too much apathy to even care. But I would end up being furious over that. Just not an Exum guy. Can't stand guys that can't shoot, and I don't think he ever will be able to. I have nothing against others liking him though.

[Snotbubbles]

If he's had stress fractures in both the back and foot, structural stability in his actual body comes into question. Is he capable of handling any type of professional workload? Those are careful considerations the medical staff has to take. I doubt we have access to him pre-draft to make that assessment, though.

97.5 had an ortho doctor on and the doctor said you need to do a bone density test to see if this will be a recurring problem or not. If it's not a bone density issue, then there really shouldn't be a problem because where the fracture in the foot is, the bone heals even stronger.

Hinkie is an analytics guy. Embiid laps the field in the analytical categories. If he's there, and the medical staff gives the green light you have to take Embiid.

[OleSchool]

If he's had stress fractures in both the back and foot, structural stability in his actual body comes into question. Is he capable of handling any type of professional workload? Those are careful considerations the medical staff has to take. I doubt we have access to him pre-draft to make that assessment, though.

97.5 had an ortho doctor on and the doctor said you need to do a bone density test to see if this will be a recurring problem or not. If it's not a bone density issue, then there really shouldn't be a problem because where the fracture in the foot is, the bone heals even stronger.

Hinkie is an analytics guy. Embiid laps the field in the analytical categories. If he's there, and the medical staff gives the green light you have to take Embiid.

Would Embiid give us access to his medical records and allow us to do the bone density test?

I can see him, and his agent giving us the records but the bone density test may be another issue all-together.

If we do the test and it comes back that he does have low bone density, I can see Embiid dropping like a rock in the draft, why would his agent allow us to take the risk?

[SJSF]

Parker is going 1 anyway and then Exum. That will drop Wiggins to us. I think with Exum sliding up do to Embiids injury teams are now calling to move up and get Exum.

[Wilfried]

If Parker and Wiggins are gone, I would go for Vonleh.
I would stay away from Embiid.

Let's hope Milwaukee is going for Exum.

[OleSchool]

Parker is going 1 anyway and then Exum. That will drop Wiggins to us. I think with Exum sliding up do to Embiids injury teams are now calling to move up and get Exum.

I can't see the Cavs taking Parker, they need defense more than offense, and most have Parker and Wiggins tied at who they like better.

[OleSchool]

If Parker and Wiggins are gone, I would go for Vonleh.
I would stay away from Embiid.

Let's hope Milwaukee is going for Exum.

I can see Mil taking Exum, he would fill 2 needs, PG and SG. Slide Knight over to 2 and Exum at 1. Besides, most experts rank Exum right with Parker and Wiggins.

[MountainDrew]

It all depends on the first pick... If the cavs don't take Wiggins, we're in great position. If they take Wiggins, anything can happen.

[SJSF]

Parker is going 1 anyway and then Exum. That will drop Wiggins to us. I think with Exum sliding up do to Embiids injury teams are now calling to move up and get Exum.

I can't see the Cavs taking Parker, they need defense more than offense, and most have Parker and Wiggins tied at who they like better.

The Cavs need talent. It has nothing to do with defense. BPA is how you draft in the NBA.