From the Phi. "The Inquirer/Daily News": Smith almost a 6er

[Rip2137]

I watch every single game that 10 teams play, all recorded except for the Hawks and Suns which I watch live.

Hawks, Jazz, Suns, Knicks, Nets, Grizzlies, Nuggets, Timberwolves(although not nearly as much as the team is boring me now and the Hornets have been replacing them), Cavs (except when Irving doesn't play) and Thunder.

Watching a game minus commercials, free throws and time outs takes less than a hour. While watching 10 teams play you get to watch alot of the other teams in the league.

Evan Turner is good, but he is a gambler, especially when he gets posted. I don't think he trust his size in the post which is weird to me because he has fantastic length to make up for his lack of weight.

Look I understand you are intrigued by the guy but according to you he is a great defender that doesn't gamble, just needs a chance....but the guy has flaws. I don't think he is a starter. You are looking at 36 minutes of game of production from a team that DESPERATELY needs a scorer. Its not Holidays fault, its Turner just being what he is going to be, a solid bench player for a good team, a starter on a bad team.

[Jamaaliver]

Makes sense. But I don't know that I called Evan Turner a 'GREAT' defender.

He's a good all round player who would make a difference on a good team.

We'll just have to agree to disagree until he has the chance to prove me wrong.

And for all his flaws, his production his comparable to Smoove & Iggy.

[51X3RF4N]

Turner is NOT a great defender. He's a decent to good defender at best. And even if you say he's an above average defender, his absolute lack of consistency from game to game has to play a factor. The guy gets consistent minutes, but just doesn't produce consistently. I don't know much about Josh Smith's game from that regard, but Turner is a 20+ppg scorer half the time, and the other half he's scoring 8-10ppg. That's how he averages his numbers.

You can't trust him on any given night to go out and produce. He'll rebound well every night. Although a lot of that has to do with the fact he's playing SF and the Sixers lack any kind of rebouding skills from their 4/5's.

Turner's jumper has slightly improved from long range, but not enough to make him an outside threat. He constantly tries to drive and make contact, and when it isn't called a foul he cries to the refs, which doesn't help his cause. From the foul line extended, he's pretty much dead on if he's in his groove. When posting up, he often tries to fade away with a jumper that's ill-advised. It goes in more than you'd think though. He also has a variety of good post moves, but doesn't always make himself aware of the weak-side shot blocking. He's a good passer and handles the ball very well.

Overall though, he is MUCH more effective with the ball in his hands at the top key looking to run an offense, so you'd want to surround him with a PG who can shoot the rock well and doesn't need the ball often, and a SF who can hit a deep 3 from the corner, as well as a PF who can stretch the floor a bit to open up his driving lanes.

I would've done Turner/Hawes for Smith in a heartbeat as a Sixers fan. Hawes is dead weight and terrible at everything. I hate Spencer Hawes. Smith would've probably been a half season rental and then he'd walk. And that would be fine with me because Hawes and Turner's contracts would be off the books.

[Jamaaliver]

Turner is NOT a great defender. He's a decent to good defender at best.

Overall though, he is MUCH more effective with the ball in his hands at the top key looking to run an offense, so you'd want to surround him with a PG who can shoot the rock well and doesn't need the ball often, and a SF who can hit a deep 3 from the corner, as well as a PF who can stretch the floor a bit to open up his driving lanes.

Noted.

[parson]

The FG% is indeed an issue. But the .25 difference in steals...is negligible.

My bad. I switched to their career #s (Smith 1.3, Turner 0.7) without even thinking about it. This year is - as you point out - 25% (1.2 to 0.9). I guess I switched (in my mind) because it helped me with my argument. Sorry.

However, protecting the rim is also an issue that Turner cannot help us with. We lose on this trade.

[Jamaaliver]

However, protecting the rim is also an issue that Turner cannot help us with. We lose on this trade.

That's actually the beauty of the trade.

Between Turner and Hawes, their combined production actually exceeds Josh's production in every capacity.

Hawes currently blocks shots at the same rate as Josh Smith.
He also rebounds at a higher rate than Josh.

Turner provides scoring, ball handling, passing, perimeter defense comparable to Josh.

And, with all the injuries we're suffering at this point, they'd both provide depth at two positions we sorely need.

[Jamaaliver]

11 months later and it looks like we've been linked to Evan Turner yet again.

Philadelphia has "stepped up" efforts to trade swingman Evan Turner, according to a report by SportingNews.com. As FOX Sports Ohio reported early in the season, the 76ers are also very open to moving forward Thaddeus Young and center Spencer Hawes. The Suns, Los Angeles Clippers and Atlanta Hawks are all especially intrigued, according to FSO sources.

NBA Trade Rumors: Clippers, Hawks and Suns show interest in Evan Turner trade

I've gone on record as being a fan of ET, still think he could be an asset to the right team. But I don't think we have the assets to acquire him this year.

False rumor? Maybe Philly trying to play one GM against the other to increase their asking price for Turner.

[azuresou1]

What would we move for Turner? He's not worth any of our real assets, particularly since he's up for RFA. I don't think we're very good trade partners (unless Philly is willing to move Noel...)

[parson]

I get the idea of adding talent (Turner and/or Young and/or Hawes) but how do any of these guys work in our offense? Would Turner's need to dominate the ball help us? Would Young be more than a bench guy for us?

Hawes fits the best as a replacement for Antic. Is he enough of an upgrade to justify his much higher salary?

This is not necessarily a criticism as much as a call for others' opinion. How would any (or all) of these guys fit in with us?

[theatlfan]

I get the idea of adding talent (Turner and/or Young and/or Hawes) but how do any of these guys work in our offense? Would Turner's need to dominate the ball help us? Would Young be more than a bench guy for us?

Hawes fits the best as a replacement for Antic. Is he enough of an upgrade to justify his much higher salary?

This is not necessarily a criticism as much as a call for others' opinion. How would any (or all) of these guys fit in with us?

After seeing PHI play, I honestly think they're backed into a bad corner with the deadline coming up. They've regressed since the last time we played them; every veteran on the court is basically trying to showcase his skills in an effort to earn his ticket out of town. Other teams know that their vets are begging for the ticket out which, in turn, is driving down the realistic return. It wouldn't surprise me if Hawes only nets a 2nd round pick. PHI has a better hold on the futures of Thad and Turner, but they also know it's probably better for all parties to go ahead and part ways even if there's a little loss of value on PHI's end. If we can net a decent player at a cut rate cost, then why not?

One thing PHI does have to muddy the waters is a boat load of cap room. I'm sure they're holding out for a LT team who has a passing interest in one of their players and a bad contract or two to step up and pay them to swallow a contract or 2. There's not too many partners in that situation though and as evidenced by the on-court play, the clock is ticking... quickly.

As for our interest, Hawes is 3 years younger than Ayon, 6 years on Antic, and 9 years on Brand. At 25 yo, there's a lot of tread left in his tires and he can shoot. How do we keep 4 adequate-and-better bigs happy is a good problem to have.

I could see us having a deeper interest in Thad if we trade Millsap. Like Hawes, Thad has a "he's younger than you think he is" thing going with him (Thad is also 25 - a few months younger than Hawes) and a proven game. Personally, I think he's an energy big who wouldn't have near his assumed value on another team. OTOH, I wouldn't have though that Millsap would be where he is before we landed him as well.

Turner is the big head scratcher for me. All I can assume here is that there's something that Ferry is looking for that matches up with something in Turner's profile and/or stats. I wouldn't complain about acquiring him as long as we don't overpay, but I wouldn't be on his bandwagon the day he got off the plane either.

[Jamaaliver]

11 months later and it looks like we've been linked to Evan Turner yet again.

Philadelphia has "stepped up" efforts to trade swingman Evan Turner, according to a report by SportingNews.com. As FOX Sports Ohio reported early in the season, the 76ers are also very open to moving forward Thaddeus Young and center Spencer Hawes. The Suns, Los Angeles Clippers and Atlanta Hawks are all especially intrigued, according to FSO sources.

NBA Trade Rumors: Clippers, Hawks and Suns show interest in Evan Turner trade

First we were rumored as interested. now this gem comes to light:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/479771924415782914[/tweet]

I feel pretty confident it was us that put in a bid for ET. I think he could have been a much bigger asset for us than he was for Indy. I suspect DF goes hard after him this offseason.

[theatlfan]

First we were rumored as interested. now this gem comes to light:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/tmoore76ers/status/479771924415782914[/tweet]

I feel pretty confident it was us that put in a bid for ET. I think he could have been a much bigger asset for us than he was for Indy. I suspect DF goes hard after him this offseason.

Part of me says that your dot connecting here is correct - Ferry has had a man crush on Turner since he has been here so anything with Turner and anything remotely resembling us ("a professional sports team on Earth" would suffice) would lead to a logical conclusion that we were the team in the rumor.

However something feels funny here. If it was us why wouldn't the writer just state that. As this thread proves, we've been in 2 hard rumors for Turner in a year's time, why hold back here? H3ll, it's not like we would have had to offer anything - he and Lavoy Allen netted a 2nd and PHI even had to eat Granger's contract. I'm thinking there's a reason for this obvious of a misdirection and it wasn't us. 1st, we were sellers at the deadline. Not to say we wouldn't have bought for the right player, but our starting PG was openly being shopped too. 2) MIA and CHAR were teams that could have picked up a lot by acquiring Turner. CHAR was dreadful on the wing and anybody (or any body) had to have helped; MIA had a season long D-Wade issue to overcome while in the midst of a HCA battle against another Turber suitor. H3ll even WASH feels like a better option than us as an immediate upgrade at backup wing.

Not sure which way I think more right now...

[atlantabbq99]

Turner reminds me of Nick Young.... empty stats with very very poor efficiency. it really doesn't matter if you are on a good team or bad team, if Turner was a real star, he would be more efficient like Brandon Roy or Kevin Love or Curry or Harden.